Chapter 518 "Battle Arena" Discussion

[Kiavik]

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[Makeemum]

just got it thanks

[luis8310]

Thank You kiavic, I was waiting to see the pictures, in the spoilers they are not very clear.
The bigger version its a lot more heavier than the medium, I have to wait 10 minutes to download the 48.5 megas to see this chapter.

[Blue-Eyes]

Yay! Thanks for the raw!

[brennen.exe]

Cool. Thanks. I DEMAND A TRANSLATION!!! ON THE DOUBLE!!!

[shen_ron]

thanks! been waiting for this

[Tenryuken]

Thanks a lot.
AARRRGGGG, I am back for some rampage.
Damn Battle Franky and his bitches.

[brennen.exe]

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AARRRGGGG, I am back for some rampage.
Damn Battle Franky and his bitches.Not for long with that attitude.

[Blue-Eyes]

Thanks a lot.
AARRRGGGG, I am back for some rampage.
Damn Battle Franky and his bitches.
Lol, i sense ban. Your "rampage" was something to ignore from the beginning....

[guminzx]

Thank you for new capter ~!!

[Jacko]

Thx so much Kiavik
oh and first page

[InglingX]

Thanks Kiavik! *goes downloading*

[shuurin]

Yay, new chapter!
Thanks a lot!

[Elric]

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[dvsduck]

Sweet, thanks for the chapter!

[climhazard]

Woo!

Thanks a lot.

[dirt monkey AL]

super cool - I'd translate, but I'm crazy busy

[brennen.exe]

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[bunshindattebayo]

Thanks a lot.
AARRRGGGG, I am back for some rampage.
Damn Battle Franky and his bitches.
I'm waiting for how BF will handle this.And also Nuzzie's reply.
Anyway,thanks for the RAW,Kiavik.

[Jacko]

I have no idea what they're talking about in the last page, but i feel really sorry for the two giant boas. I'm really looking foward to the next chapter, hopefully there is one next week.

[Hattori]

Thanks, I'll be downloading now

[brennen.exe]

Wow. Oda really put a lot of focus on Margaret this chapter. So many shots of her. Next week is sure to be awesome. Hell, this week was pretty awesome...but I want next week. *Forces eyes closed* Is it next week yet? Blast!

[Crossword]

Dialogue definitely seems to be key here. I love how Luffy literally shut Hancock down at the end. She managed to press his biggest and most dangerous Berserk Button. You do not want to go up against a pissed off Luffy who is *snrk* ''fighting for his friends'' and all those other good ol' shonen values.

But now the nature of Hancock's power is even more confusing. I wonder how Oda is going to explain how petrification translates into lethal kiss blowing.

[Kokolores]

Seems like Luffy will give each Nami and Robin a brand new snake leather handbag as a present when they meet up.
I stick to my prediction that Luffy will be the next queen of the amazons.

[Brook Lesnar]

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[bunshindattebayo]

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[grandjedi]

Dialogue definitely seems to be key here. I love how Luffy literally shut Hancock down at the end. She managed to press his biggest and most dangerous Berserk Button. You do not want to go up against a pissed off Luffy who is *snrk* ''fighting for his friends'' and all those other good ol' shonen values.

But now the nature of Hancock's power is even more confusing. I wonder how Oda is going to explain how petrification translates into lethal kiss blowing.
After Kuma, anythings possible.

[Tokoro Ataru]

Thanks for providing the chapter...though the earliness is probably due to the Saturday release.

Wow, this arc has gone berserk! I didn't expect Margaret and her friends both to stand up for Luffy...and turn to stone! And that cliffhanger...Oda better explain more about those three Gorgon sisters if he knows what's best.

[Zik]

Wow. Oda really put a lot of focus on Margaret this chapter. So many shots of her. Next week is sure to be awesome. Hell, this week was pretty awesome...but I want next week. *Forces eyes closed* Is it next week yet? Blast!
I guess I'll just ask this time. Didn't BF say that Oda said there will be no chap next week?

It's just that reading a post like that gets me hyped for next week and I don't want to be if there's not going to be a chap next week! I need clarification. The sooner everybody knows, the sooner they come to terms with it.

Oh and somebody post the link when this gets translated and scantalated on some site.

[Strongbad456]

So is there any truth to the rumor that there is no chapter next week? I want there to be one.

[Angryitalian]

Man, I wonder how long it's gonna be until we get an actual explanation of Hancock's powers :P

[freedom]

If the title is wrong please correct it

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Thanks for the chapter, and for your hard-work brennen.exe.

I'm off to read (look at pics and smile) the chapter.

[ThunderEarthFire]

I just realized this, but if the manga is suppose to reflect the legend then doesn't that mean Luffy is fighting the immortal ones? This may not look good for him.

[brennen.exe]

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[freedom]

Is it just me or does Oda need to learn what perspective is...
Marigold and Thunder Sonia seem to be slightly large on pg2, but by pg18, they're Enormous! Is this another Kuma syndrome? So big they look smaller. LOL ^_^

[brennen.exe]

Marigold and Thunder Sonia seem to be slightly large on pg2, but by pg18, they're Enormous!Isn't that due to their Zoan's though? Perspective with so many different size people can get cumbersome. I wonder what's up with that panther being all ginormous.

[Angryitalian]

if the amazons are all named after flowers the other one should be called Sandersonia

[Spooly]

But wait, BOTH sisters have the snake zoan??? or are there/they different types of snakes?

[mrkaizoku]

死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！死刑！

Thanks all for the raws!!!

Anyway that was an awesome chapter. Luffy stands up for Margaret and the others. Then has to fight バキュラ(is the name supposed to remind us of Dracula?) and destroys him in one hit. He asks what the hell is wrong with all the amazon's for their not being outraged about their friends. And it all ends with the Amazon's clamoring for a death sentence. Classic One Piece. How could anyone possibly be upset?

[Mokke]

Wow thats fast, thanks a bunch!

[Fiasco.]

Thanks a lot.
AARRRGGGG, I am back for some rampage.
Damn Battle Franky and his bitches.


Stupid troll, Trix are for kids. :D



Thanks for raw.

[Caraccidential]

Awesome chapter,

I'm thinking that Marigold has a Frog Zoan, or there's a special line of Snake Zoans. That's all.

[Luffsopp]

Thanks for the raw. I love it when Luffy is piss, he the only main character out of the three main shonen that can pull it off so well. Kick their ass Luffy

[blue-san]

Awesome chapter,

I'm thinking that Marigold has a Frog Zoan, or there's a special line of Snake Zoans. That's all.

It is...


BOA-s



Blue

[igetownd]

Thanks for the chapter.

I'll cross my fingers for a good discussion for this chapter. Although there's not much hope considering how the spoiler thread was.

[nobody]

Thanks a lot!

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/304/16/
And yet another one of Ussop's "lies" comes true. What will be next?

I think there's still the possibility of Marigold being a Snail Zoan or something, cause if they both were snakes, Oda should have a good explanation.

I hope the "Hancock is Luffy's Mom" theories will end after this chapter. Once and for all.

[Rufyx82]

grandeee!!!! yosh!!! thank's ^__^

[Dark_Kaomi]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40791 (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40791CNetTrans)

Here is CNet's trans.

[mrkaizoku]

Thanks for the chapter.

I'll cross my fingers for a good discussion for this chapter. Although there's not much hope considering how the spoiler thread was.

Unfortunately it will probably degenerate into "What's on Hancock's back" and "Boa is totally Luffy's Mother" pretty quickly.

I'm really confused as to why more of the Amazon's aren't sickened in the same way that Luffy is. Surely some of them have to have felt repulsed by some of the awful shit that Hancock has done.

I'm kind of wondering if Kuma sent Luffy here to take care of Hancock. Either way if it were dumb luck the he ended up here or Kuma, I believe that Hancock is in for a world of hurt.

[igetownd]

I never actually understood why people think Hancock is Luffy's mom. Is it because he saw her back? How does that even relate?

Anyway, Luffy is awesome. In this chapter, he proved himself a man among men, although unwittingly, by resisting the Mero Mero beam.

[Dark_Kaomi]

I never actually understood why people think Hancock is Luffy's mom. Is it because he saw her back? How does that even relate?

Nah, speculations came out way before that chapter. I think it has more to do with the fact that she's strong; most people probably believe Luffy's mom has to have been a strong women.

[Tenryuken]

Unfortunately it will probably degenerate into "What's on Hancock's back" and "Boa is totally Luffy's Mother" pretty quickly.

I'm really confused as to why more of the Amazon's aren't sickened in the same way that Luffy is. Surely some of them have to have felt repulsed by some of the awful shit that Hancock has done.

I'm kind of wondering if Kuma sent Luffy here to take care of Hancock. Either way if it were dumb luck the he ended up here or Kuma, I believe that Hancock is in for a world of hurt.

She charmed them.

[demonkicksanji]

Thank you for the chapter. I've been into this new development since it started and it's getting better. Luffy's "WTF! w/ eyelashes" face is so freaking hilarious! And Margarite (sp?) and the other two amazons standing up for Luffy and being turned to stone was pretty powerful. Luffy looked devestated! And of course, when Hancock says that she can do anything she wants because she's beautiful...Luffy's says "You disgust me!". Great stuff!

I can only assume that Luffy may have some problem w/ the two sister...or he'll just OHKO them like the panther. I'd like the latter. Then we'll get the Enel-faced Hancock! Luffy will demand the amazons be turned to normal, and Hancock will say that sea water will reverse the effect (or whatever). To top it off, Luffy will Gomu-Gomu no Rifle the hell right into Hancock's face and launch her onto Momonga's ship. Her last words of consciousness will be, "He was only...a monkey." Momonga will put two and two together and w/ the Tenryuubito incident...Luffy's bounty will skyrocket yet again. Then in the middle of the arean, he will look up at the stunned amazons and yell, "Are you not entertained?!" Of course, Oda won't go making it THAT easy or predicatable. XD

[Fiasco.]

I never actually understood why people think Hancock is Luffy's mom. Is it because he saw her back? How does that even relate?


No, if I recall there was one infrequent poster who posted something along the lines of; "So Hancock's a shichibukai, cool. What if she was Luffy's mom too. LOL." and then people ran with it like it was a valid theory. When one person tried to disprove it, they would have to go up against a legion of fools who try to prove Hancock looks kind of like Luffy, or Dragon would be Hancock's perfect spouse.



Tenryuken is a failure at trolling. Posting obvious material and responding to old posts.

[Zik]

I never actually understood why people think Hancock is Luffy's mom. Is it because he saw her back? How does that even relate?
They have absolutely no basis for it. Other than "Oh they look alike!" they just want it to be true so that they can feel good about guessing an Oda surprise.

They've been doing it before she was even seen. They usually do this for any female that is half way acceptable.

Not to mention a lot of ppl were confused about what was said in TB with what Lola said about her mother and what the Risky Bros said about Boa and mermaids. Somehow, someway it ended in Boa being Luffy's mom.

[Neomaster121]

again margaret and the other two will be the two new crew members now

its all but confirmed

but reading this chapter i couldn't help but think it will be impossible for Oda to write these kind of good mini stories for the rest of the crew indiviually ah well

great chapter

[igetownd]

Unfortunately it will probably degenerate into "What's on Hancock's back" and "Boa is totally Luffy's Mother" pretty quickly.

I'm really confused as to why more of the Amazon's aren't sickened in the same way that Luffy is. Surely some of them have to have felt repulsed by some of the awful shit that Hancock has done.

I'm kind of wondering if Kuma sent Luffy here to take care of Hancock. Either way if it were dumb luck the he ended up here or Kuma, I believe that Hancock is in for a world of hurt.
Hancock is their queen, so the Amazons all have to give her respect and admiration. They all are also forced to believe that she is beautiful.

I'm glad Oda had Luffy say "you sicken me" to Hancock. I like this as the explanation of why Luffy doesn't react to mero mero powers.

[Angel emfrbl]

I just realized this, but if the manga is suppose to reflect the legend then doesn't that mean Luffy is fighting the immortal ones? This may not look good for him.
If your referring to the Gorgon sisters...

In Greek myths, Medusa wasn't immortal, which is why she was killable.

[brennen.exe]

Excellent. Haki is definately Luffy's next power up:

Ran: He's strong......!!! Bacura... was defeated in a single hit?!! // He wasn't even using Haki... // He did that with pure brute force?!

[onemoment]

What I love about this chapter thus far is that it's quickly and effectively setting up some kind of climax. Luffy's in an arena, his closest thing to friends on this island got stoned, and now there are two monsters surrounding him--all while the shichibukai looks on. It really feels like something great is about to happen.

[brennen.exe]

No, if I recall there was one infrequent poster who posted something [...] and then people ran with it like it was a valid theory.Actually, it goes back even further. The second Amazon Lily was introduced as an all-female island someone tossed out the random theory along the lines of "What if Luffy's mom is on this island??"

I believe it was somewhat related to the theory that Lola's mom was on this island, and that they were in the New World.

Edit: Oh, and best dialogue in the chapter IMO:

Hancock: No matter what I may do, I will always be forgiven!!
Hancock: Why, you ask...? It is because I am......beautiful!!!
Hancock: Hoho. And you, too. You forgive me, do you not......?
Luffy: You really piss me off!!!

[Angryitalian]

just speculating here, but perhaps the gorgon curse is the reason the sisters turned into snakes rather than a DF

[igetownd]

I was imagining how the Strawhats would react to Hancock, and my verdict is that all except Luffy and Zoro would turn to stone.

Luffy because he sees into her heart. Zoro because he'll say, "a real warrior wouldn't let himself be lead astray by a woman's charms."

[brennen.exe]

just speculating here, but perhaps the gorgon curse is the reason the sisters turned into snakes rather than a DFI really don't think so. Mainly because Oda said he wouldn't add content like that to the series outside of Devil Fruit's, but also because the beginning of the chapter only confirms that they are all three trying to hide what is on their backs, and are using their Devil Fruit powers as cover-up evidence. Obviously -- given Luffy's ability, and their confusion -- they have little to no knowledge of Devil Fruit's.

[Nuzzie]

Excellent. Haki is definately Luffy's next power up:

Ran: He's strong......!!! Bacura... was defeated in a single hit?!! // He wasn't even using Haki... // He did that with pure brute force?!

This doesn't strike you as odd? that in ONE PIECE she is shocked to see pure brute force?

[Dark_Kaomi]

I really don't think so. Mainly because Oda said he wouldn't add content like that to the series outside of Devil Fruit's, but also because the beginning of the chapter only confirms that they are all three trying to hide what is on their backs, and are using their Devil Fruit powers as cover-up evidence. Obviously -- given Luffy's ability, and their confusion -- they have little to no knowledge of Devil Fruit's.

They who? All of the members of Amazon Lily or everyone but the Boa sisters?

This doesn't strike you as odd? that in ONE PIECE she is shocked to see pure brute force?

I think it's more she's shocked because he didn't use Haki. For her, that's probably unheard of. Though, the fact that it's one of the Kuja pirates saying it is a bit strange...

[grandjedi]

Hmm, Luffy couldn't exactly remember where he has seen what was on Hancock's back. Makes me doubt that its something as obvious as Skypeian wings or the Whitebeard symbol

[Fiasco.]

This doesn't strike you as odd? that in ONE PIECE she is shocked to see pure brute force?


Not really since it is on a Island, in the middle of the Calm Belt which was inaccesible for years until now, with inhabitants that are ruled by a Empress who lies and manipulates them. I wouldn't be suprised if Haki is the only way of fighting they know.

[Kokolores]

Hmm my guess would be Luffy takes those two sisters down rather quickly although he has to use the gears for it, but then Hancock comes herself and she kicks him around for a bit, none of his moves are working until Gloriosa reveals the secret of Haki to him and after picking up on it he defeats her with a single punch which also destroys the throne and that huge gate behind it and causes Gloriosa to say that his Haki is OVER 9000!!!

Hmm, Luffy couldn't exactly remember where he has seen what was on Hancock's back. Makes me doubt that its something as obvious as Skypeian wings or the Whitebeard symbol

If it was anyone but Luffy I would agree.

[Crossword]

I'm just treating the Hancock = Mom theory as a fandom joke at the moment.

I am a bit saddened that this chapter still doesn't give us any indication of what Hancock's so desperate to hide. Maybe her Devil Fruit left some kind of disfiguring mark on her back or something...that just happens to resemble something Luffy's seen...or something....

[Nuzzie]

I think it's more she's shocked because he didn't use Haki. For her, that's probably unheard of. Though, the fact that it's one of the Kuja pirates saying it is a bit strange...

That's why i'm confused. In all their travels, they don't see many people using brute force. Either they face weaklings all the time that couldn't do that even with haki anyway, or there's a large over reliance on haki that we don't know about.

Not really since it is on a Island, in the middle of the Calm Belt which was inaccesible for years until now, with inhabitants that are ruled by a Empress who lies and manipulates them. I wouldn't be suprised if Haki is the only way of fighting they know.

The thing is that it isn't one of the ones that stays on the island, but one of the pirates who leaves the island with Hancock.

Heck, even Hancock seemed shocked

[igetownd]

I really don't think so. Mainly because Oda said he wouldn't add content like that to the series outside of Devil Fruit's, but also because the beginning of the chapter only confirms that they are all three trying to hide what is on their backs, and are using their Devil Fruit powers as cover-up evidence. Obviously -- given Luffy's ability, and their confusion -- they have little to no knowledge of Devil Fruit's.
Then the problem begs the question: "Why did both sisters turn into snakes?" I guess it could be because they both ate Hebi Hebi fruits of different models, as unlikely as that can be.

[Tenryuken]

I think it's more she's shocked because he didn't use Haki.

It's because he isn't attracted by her.

[brennen.exe]

They who? All of the members of Amazon Lily or everyone but the Boa sisters?Everyone but the Boa sisters. I should have said "seems" rather than "obviously", but I was basing it off their reaction to Luffy's stretching ability. Freedom would know what I mean.

This doesn't strike you as odd? that in ONE PIECE she is shocked to see pure brute force?A little. Slightly. The reason being Ran/Lan should be one of the "elite" warriors. Even still, we all know Luffy is a ridiculous powerhouse when it comes to pure brute force -- and after all the bashings he has received, it is nice to see him take down "the excecutioner". Their shock at seeing what they thought would not happen is plausible, but the comment she makes does seem to make them look slightly "weaker". Though I could still see it as her being impressed/shocked that without Haki he was able to do that much, where they might be able to do the same, but only with Haki.

Note that:
Hancock: This black panther is called Bacura. For many generations...
Hancock: ...he has served this land's Empress as a carnivorous executioner. Once the execution is done... / ...not a single bone of the victim will remain.

[BeSPEC]

Excellent. Haki is definately Luffy's next power up:

Ran: He's strong......!!! Bacura... was defeated in a single hit?!! // He wasn't even using Haki... // He did that with pure brute force?!

It seems so. I'm hoping Luffy will stop relying heavily on Gear 2nd and 3rd if this is the case. Would love to see Luffy kick Sentoumaru's ass with a revamped Gatling gun. ( wishful thinking )

[Dark_Kaomi]

It's because he isn't attracted by her.

No I was talking about Nuzzie's comment of Ran's statement.

[Fiasco.]

It's because he isn't attracted by her.


You know, now your my favorite troll. Your really dedicated to your work.

[Tenryuken]

Then the problem begs the question: "Why did both sisters turn into snakes?" I guess it could be because they both ate Hebi Hebi fruits of different models, as unlikely as that can be.

The Amazones where talking about the curse and a "snake pit".

[igetownd]

The island is full of warriors who traditionally uses Haki, so seeing a person use brute force to kill a monster, would be breaking their 4th wall. They have the preconception that Haki is necessary for strength.

But with Luffy learning Haki, he'll power up to an extent even more than him learning Soru.

[brennen.exe]

Then the problem begs the question: "Why did both sisters turn into snakes?" I guess it could be because they both ate Hebi Hebi fruits of different models, as unlikely as that can be.They could simply be different reptiles. I mean snake, frog (amphibian), lizard, komodo dragon, etc. all have the same features. I know that one of them (Sandersonia??) is shown with arms and the looks of a reptile, which could mean either hybrid-form snake model or some lizard form. Maybe the other one (Marigold??) is a bearded dragon? What with the whole puffed up face and all.

Lizard Example: (Very Sandersonia[??]-esque)
http://craigallen.net.au/images/photos/080129_blue_tongue_lizard.jpg

[demonkicksanji]

It seems so. I'm hoping Luffy will stop relying heavily on Gear 2nd and 3rd if this is the case. Would love to see Luffy kick Sentoumaru's ass with a revamped Gatling gun. ( wishful thinking )

Though that sounds interesting...how could he revamp "gatling"? I mean, if anything, "storm" is like the revamped "gatling" similar to how "rifle" is the revamped "pistol". I just hope that when/if Luffy learns how to utilize Haki, it won't look like the stereotypical "glowing fist" cliche when he's fighting. I don't see any other way how Oda could make it look like Luffy's using Haki unless he goes the Mystical Gohan way and not change anything...maybe...*gasp* change his eye color from black to blue.:laughing:

[Lucky]

Luffy saw Poneglyph on Hancock back

Robin show it to him before

[Nuzzie]

guys could hancock just be pretending to be upset to garner sympathy from everyone?

just going by the third panel on page 18. The old "Cover your eyes with hands then look out when no one is looking" move.

/silly speculation

[Strongbad456]

Luffy saw Polygraph on Hancock back

Robin show it to him before

It's Poneglyph, not Polygraph(a polygraph is a lie detector test)

[Lucky]

Thank. I don't know but i saw some one suggest that and it really make sense. I mean Boa does not want anyone to know it, so it either the one who saw it die, and if they are not, then she has to die so that its secret is safe.

Luffy not using Haki, and he can kill a sea king. If he using Haki, all he have to do is stare at them and they KO lol

Boa Hancock has no knowledge power. She does not even know the man who attack EL. She does not know the monkey she deal with has a 300 mil Bounty.

[Jacko]

You hear it here first.
Luffy will have a hard time against these two gorgons. He will use Gear 2, perhaps gear 3, hopefully both together. But it will have no big effect on them, cause they will use Haki. Since Luffy used an really weak version of Haki during the last arc, he has an little understatement of this power. The Gorgon sister will add the rest. And it wouldn't surprise me, if these two really ugly faggots explain there power to him. It makes perfect sence, this island is Odas way to give Luffy this power.

[Zik]

Thank. I don't know but i saw some one suggest that and it really make sense. I mean Boa does not want anyone to know it, so it either the one who saw it die, and if they are not, then she has to die so that its secret is safe.

Luffy not using Haki, and he can kill a sea king. If he using Haki, all he have to do is stare at them and they KO lol
You know how painful it would be to have a poneglyph on your back? especially if it's like graphed to your back.

I think you mean to say that the writing might be on her back. A huge unbreakable stone on a woman's back is not hard to notice.

[Lucky]

Yeah, i mean a text version of it carved on her back.

Anyway, am i the only one want to see Luffy take care of these 3 sisters easy ?

It would be good if Smoker does not know Haki

[Nuzzie]

You hear it here first.
Luffy will have a hard time against these two gorgons. He will use Gear 2, perhaps gear 3, hopefully both together. But it will have no big effect on them, cause they will use Haki. Since Luffy used an really weak version of Haki during the last arc, he has an little understatement of this power. The Gorgon sister will add the rest. And it wouldn't surprise me, if these two really ugly faggots explain there power to him. It makes perfect sence, this island is Odas way to give Luffy this power.


good job suggesting the worst way this fight could go down

[freedom]

Everyone but the Boa sisters. I should have said "seems" rather than "obviously", but I was basing it off their reaction to Luffy's stretching ability. Freedom would know what I mean.

A little. Slightly. The reason being [...] the same, but only with Haki.It seems so. I'm hoping Luffy will stop relying heavily on Gear 2nd and 3rd if this is the case. Would love to see Luffy kick Sentoumaru's ass with a revamped Gatling gun. ( wishful thinking )The island is full of warriors who traditionally uses Haki, so [...] he'll power up to an extent even more than him learning Soru.
Ah! Finally back from lunch, and finally read a translation of the chapter. Thank you cnet.

Haki ("Ambition"): We may need a new definition for this pretty soon.
Let's state the obvious. Oda is definitely shoving this 'haki' in our faces. Who do we know can use it for sure. Shanks. check! Rayleigh. check! Every female on amazon lilly. maybe... let's at least say that they can all recognize it's use. So, can we get it shoved down our throats anymore.

Things to note. 'haki' is something that can be "seen" when it's used. Therefore, is someone gonna teach it to Luffy? hmmm... can you say hell no! Luffy will definitely learn it himself. How? well, if you haven't figured it out, then let me say it. How did Luffy learn soru... ding ding ding, that's right, from seeing Blueno use it over and over b/c he was at his limit fighting Luffy who he thought would be a push over.

Same situation, different ability. No doubt in my mind that Marigold and Sandersonia will be at their limits fighting Luffy, and will have to heavily rely on the use of 'haki'. Hell, I doubt any of the amazons can even attack w/o it. It's probably the essence of fighting for them. It's be a travesty now if Luffy didn't learn to use 'haki' during the impending fight ^_^

What's that you say? revamped gattling? I'm glad you picked one of luffy's most awesome moves, but can you say revamped everything. We all new that after luffy struggled w/ lucci using his new Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd techniques that he'd have to get strong. So, just like Goku learned the Kaio-ken techniques initially, and then left them after gaining his super saiya-jin abilities, Luffy is about to introduce 'haki' into all of his moves. No need for useless transformations. And just in case he needs an even bigger boost, can you say 'haki'-infused Gear 3rd <insert madness> here.

If you can't tell already, I'm extremely excited and delighted with the foreshadowing this chapter has just painted. I'm glad the chapter turned out to be much more interesting than the spoiler let on.

Now. The business about the Gorgon sisters and how their powers work. So, if it's DF based, then perhaps there is a snake zoan: model {python, anaconda, cobra, etc} and the sisters just got lucky and at the same type of zoan. I'm also betting that they're disguising their DF abilities as the curse of the Gorgon. A bit of true in both.

So, I'm thinking... the sisters defeated the Gorgon monster, got cursed, and something is on their backs. However, it doesn't turn you to stone. while they were out at sea, they got some DFs and decided to use the curse as a cover for the DF abilities... would be pretty crafty and convenient... but only time will tell.

sorry for the long post, just had too much on my mind. ^^

[BeSPEC]

Though that sounds interesting...how could he revamp "gatling"? I mean, if anything, "storm" is like the revamped "gatling" similar to how "rifle" is the revamped "pistol". I just hope that when/if Luffy learns how to utilize Haki, it won't look like the stereotypical "glowing fist" cliche when he's fighting. I don't see any other way how Oda could make it look like Luffy's using Haki unless he goes the Mystical Gohan way and not change anything...maybe...*gasp* change his eye color from black to blue.:laughing:

Well I suppose it depends how you look at it. I see Storm and Gatling as two unique attacks, both of which have the possibility to be revamped.
I'm guessing Haki would just look like a normal attack, but with maybe more emphasis on the impact.

[Zik]

The fact that Cp9's recent volume is titled "Homeland" further supports my theory that they're going to meet their master who taught them rokushiki. I wonder where in the GL they are?

[Smartz118]

They could simply be different reptiles. I mean snake, frog (amphibian), lizard, komodo dragon, etc. all have the same features. I know that one of them (Sandersonia??) is shown with arms and the looks of a reptile, which could mean either hybrid-form snake model or some lizard form. Maybe the other one (Marigold??) is a bearded dragon? What with the whole puffed up face and all.

Its a bit premature to assume what Zoan fruits the other 2 Boa sisters have based on the angle of the picture we saw. In my opinion, Sandersonia (the one with the arms) is probably in beast-man form, meaning half-woman half-snake, and Marigold may be the same as well.

Secondly, I am sure there are various types of Snake-model zoan fruits because we all know there are many types of snakes: boas, pythons, cobras, rattlesnakes, sea snakes (although not likeley for a devil fruit) and many more.

People say that the Boa sisters are under the effect of the "Gorgon curse" but seeing how isolated the island is and never met a man until Luffy (and they think all men stretch, can't swim, are dumb, etc.) it was obviously a lie and they have the powers of Devil Fruits. Hancock has the Mero Mero fruit (the power to "swoon"...to make people unconscious [by turning them into stone], but only if they themselves are swooning [madly in love] over her) and Sandersonia and Marigold have Hebi Hebi fruits of different models.

I know I am assuming these myself, but based on the evidence we have seen, this is what I have deduced.

[demonkicksanji]

Well I suppose it depends how you look at it. I see Storm and Gatling as two unique attacks, both of which have the possibility to be revamped.
I'm guessing Haki would just look like a normal attack, but with maybe more emphasis on the impact.

The only reason I say they're revamped is because both "Storm" and "Rifle" have spinning as the main enforcement in their power. They are both unique but I still feel they're revamped versions of the basic moves.:happy:
Well, I do see more emphasis on the impacts being present, but I just have this feeling that there's gonna be some sort of small change in Luffy's appeareance just to show that whole, "Oh, now's he's using Haki!" Something like that.:laughing:

[Zik]

Sandersonia: His fear of death must simply be outweighing his wicked desires. // Pathetic, but lucky for him...!!!This lets me know that Usopp can face off against Hancock as well maybe even Chopper since he's not interested in a female's body.

LOL

Luffy should've added in that Kuma sent him here I'm sure the atmosphere of things would've changed.

[Kaizoku-king]

So, what was the "big" news that oda was going to announce at the end?

[brennen.exe]

The fact that Cp9's recent volume is titled "Homeland" further supports my theory that they're going to meet their master who taught them rokushiki. I wonder where in the GL they are?Perhaps all those CP9 members were from the same foster home, and they are going back to meet with the Granny that raised them....only to find out some other punk kid has taken over the area as a gangster of sorts, and the police isn't doing their job -- so they make their own Justice!! Wait a second.....?

Haki ("Ambition"): Something that can be "seen" when it's used.This part definitely has me a little confused. Is it something you can physically see if you what to look for, or is it merely something you can recognize when used...? If it is simply a recognizable technique, but not physically visible...then how exactly does Ran know? Oh well, I am sure Oda will reveal it all very soon. Very...very soo-- RIGHT NOW!! No? Well, soon enough anyways.

Therefore, is someone gonna teach it to Luffy? Hell no! Luffy will definitely learn it himself.Yes. I remember mentioning this a few times in the past, and I definitly think Luffy will teach it himself to a degree. Since it is much more complex than we originally thought though, I wonder how much he will teach himself. Example being rokushiki and Luffy only teaching himself soru. I know it will be explained in detail at one point or another, but will Luffy be present or will it only be for our benefit as readers? Again, I suppose we will find out soon enough.

It's probably the essence of fighting for them.If this much proves to be true, then I will definitely be ok with everyone on the island knowing how to use it. It makes it much more understandable, and takes away from the "well then everyone in the New World will probably use it" and/or "it takes away from the uniqueness" complaints that everyone has tossed out.

So, just like Goku learned the Kaio-ken techniques initially, and then left them after gaining his super saiya-jin abilities, Luffy is about to introduce 'haki' into all of his moves. No need for useless transformations.I am a supporter of "Oda will not drop Gears" for Luffy. Given that I would say that Gear 2nd is Kaio-ken, while Gear 2nd w/ Haki strengthening his body would be Super Saiya-Jin. Gear 2nd is still the boost of strength, speed, and durability -- Haki would only make that stronger. Wouldn't that compare better?

So, if it's DF based, then perhaps there is a snake Zoan: model {python, anaconda, cobra, etc} and the sisters just got lucky and at the same type of Zoan.Or perhaps as I suggested at the bottom of the previous page, some other sort of reptile.

So, I'm thinking... the sisters defeated the Gorgon monster, got cursed, and something is on their backs.My vote is still towards the idea that the something that is on their back would condemn their position or status as who and what they are for the Kuja. Or perhaps something even worse. Rather than being a curse from whatever they defeated, it is something they are ashamed of or regret that they know would be bad were it to be found out. This would make the DF's they have less "convenient" and simply a better device for cover-up given their options. To me. IMO. Just saying. Lunch time!

[Kami_Sama]

On a Thursday? That's crazy!!

[Lucky]

Why can't Luffy goes fast like Soru in base form ? If Coby can do it , why can't he?

I think someone will teach Luffy. I think the former Empress will be the one who do it.

i don't think Luffy will learn it himself because right now, he can't even see haki

[dlo62282]

The big news was that he turned in his chapter late so there will be no one piece chapter next week, he tells his fans he is sorry.

Best chapter of this arc so far. I see Luffy getting defeated here, not by the sisters but by hancock. He will escape and meet Nyon.

[Fiasco.]

Why can't Luffy goes fast like Soru in base form ? If Coby can do it , why can't he?


Coby probably trained with it longer, by the looks of things Luffy got it down in a really short amount of time.

[Lucky]

So what you mean is that one day, Luffy will be able to do it without going gear 2?

it would be cool if he able to do that without going gear 2. I remember Bluno said soru put alot of pressure on your body and i think Luffy would be able to handle it because he is a rubber, and stronger than Coby.

Luffy will be the one to teach his crew Haki once he learn it.

[Refii]

Luffy can use soru in base form, he showed it against Blueno..

[Lucky]

He did not using soru, he was just fast

[Strongbad456]

This is an excellent chapter. I love it when Luffy gets serious. Now there's nothing to stop him. I think he'll easily plow through the sisters and if the stone thing is the best Hancock has then he'll defeat her too. I think after he takes out the sisters, Hancock will probably turn into a huge snake and destroy the arena/city trying to kill Luffy. Too bad we have to wait awhile for the next chapter. At least there's still Naruto and the One Piece anime to tide me over.

[brennen.exe]

He did not using soru, he was just fastLuffy can use soru in base form, he showed it against Blueno..
STOP!

Don't start this argument (soru in "base form") and ruin this chapter thread. If you really must debate the issue then take it here (http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=965143#post965143) since it was already an off-topic but recent discussion. Please.

[Tenryuken]

This is an excellent chapter. I love it when Luffy gets serious. Now there's nothing to stop him. I think he'll easily plow through the sisters and if the stone thing is the best Hancock has then he'll defeat her too. I think after he takes out the sisters, Hancock will probably turn into a huge snake and destroy the arena/city trying to kill Luffy. Too bad we have to wait awhile for the next chapter. At least there's still Naruto and the One Piece anime to tide me over.

And Saints Row 2.
Coming out next week.

[Angel emfrbl]

If Hancock turns into a snake, that means she will have two Devil Fruits...

Hancock's pretty for a torn-up corpse you know.

[igetownd]

This lets me know that Usopp can face off against Hancock as well maybe even Chopper since he's not interested in a female's body.

LOL

Luffy should've added in that Kuma sent him here I'm sure the atmosphere of things would've changed.
Chopper and Usopp are now added to my list of Strawhats who are immune to Mero Mero powers.

Chopper because he's a reindeer who doesn't have an ounce of horniness for human females, and Usopp because he's so "negative" and fearful that he overcomes his indecent thoughts.

But, yeah, LOL at the Boa sisters thinking Luffy's scared.

[fxjoey0]

Thanks for the raw!

[Strongbad456]

If Hancock turns into a snake, that means she will have two Devil Fruits...

Hancock's pretty for a torn-up corpse you know.

She could just naturally be a freaky snake woman. It would make sense if she was a snake that ate the Hito Hito no mi but Chopper ate that. Also I suppose if she ate that she wouldn't be beautiful.

[Tenryuken]

Chopper and Usopp are now added to my list of Strawhats who are immune to Mero Mero powers.

Chopper because he's a reindeer who doesn't have an ounce of horniness for human females, and Usopp because he's so "negative" and fearful that he overcomes his indecent thoughts.

But, yeah, LOL at the Boa sisters thinking Luffy's scared.

Usopp has already someone in his heart.

[Blue-Eyes]

Don't try to explain Choppers sexuality with common sense. He actually reacted to Nami's strips, in Alabasta and from Mr. 2. He is human... but only through his DF ability.

Common sense doesn't lead anywhere in OP.

[Lucky]

The marine was scare too, but they also end up turn to stone. I guess that the sister only guess. If they are scare, Hancock charm will make you like her. She also says that there is no one who can resist her charm, even if they are man or woman, young or old.

[Fiasco.]

People are wondering what Zoan type fruit the sisters may have, the other one has a snake IMO, and she is in human/beast form, but the problem is her body is atleast hourglass shaped. With the fat one, what animal could make her look so slim!? A stick zoan!?!?!



But seriously, i'm ready to see them us Haki along with their Zoan fruits. Should be intersting.

[Zik]

Don't try to explain Choppers sexuality with common sense. He actually reacted to Nami's strips, in Alabasta and from Mr. 2. He is human... but only through his DF ability.

Common sense doesn't lead anywhere in OP.
Chopper said he wasn't interested in a female body at all in TB when Nami was taking a bath or changing right in front of him and Usopp.

All those other times with Chopper were probably for comedic relief.

Or Oda made a little mistake and the twos instances clearly contradict each other.

[MagneticMonkey]

Oh Boa hancock you little filthy bitch you must go to HELL. I think that it's obvious that haki can boost you're battle power. And if the amazon are impressed that luffy possess so much brute force. I think that luffy with haki will just get him near to yonkou level. Well let's just say that he will be incredibly strong

EDIT: It's also obvious that ODA is really focusing on haki. I mean everyone that ignores that must be blind? So it's safe to assume that we will finaly get some explanation for this mysterious force/technique in the next chapters

[IgnorantSage]

Don't try to explain Choppers sexuality with common sense. He actually reacted to Nami's strips, in Alabasta and from Mr. 2. He is human... but only through his DF ability.

Common sense doesn't lead anywhere in OP.

And if Chopper did not react the way he did during the 'strip' then everyone would be calling him homo... which some people still do anyway.

[Crossword]

Actually, in the manga there was a question mark over his head during the aforementioned flash.

[Zik]

Oh Boa hancock you little filthy bitch you must go to HELL. I think that it's obvious that haki can boost you're battle power. And if the amazon are impressed that luffy possess so much brute force. I think that luffy with haki will just get him near to yonkou level. Well let's just say that he will be incredibly strong

EDIT: It's also obvious that ODA is really focusing on haki. I mean everyone that ignores that must be blind? So it's safe to assume that we will finaly get some explanation for this mysterious force/technique in the next chapters
I hope not I'm not a big fan of ppl's attacks and techniques being completely explained during the fight they are in. Also there's no reason for ppl watching to explain and describe the attacks and techniques because they already know! It's so redundant when mangaka's do this. If it must be explained during the fight so the readers knows what's going on might as well do it in the narration box.

Haki should be explained by Ray, he's already had a sit down and listen to the old man's stories scene............

[brennen.exe]

It's so redundant when mangaka's do this.How would this situation be redundant?

Luffy: What the hell is "Hockey??"
Sandersonia: You don't know what Haki is!??
[explains it to Luffy as if he were a child]
Luffy: Oh! *hits fist to palm*

^^ Then Luffy knows how to do it. Or something. Just an example.

[ponyjc]

explaining techniques in battle is too naruto-ish... :ninja:

[MagneticMonkey]

I hope not I'm not a big fan of ppl's attacks and techniques being completely explained during the fight they are in. Also there's no reason for ppl watching to explain and describe the attacks and techniques because they already know! It's so redundant when mangaka's do this. If it must be explained during the fight so the readers knows what's going on might as well do it in the narration box.

Haki should be explained by Ray, he's already had a sit down and listen to the old man's stories scene............
It's up to ODA how he will explain it. What i state is that i assume that it's highly probable that haki will be explained in the next chapters. Maybe after the fight in a discussion between Luffy and the amazons maybe on shabondy with ray maybe that luffy will find out how to use it in the fight just like he did with blueno. Well i don't want to speculate on how he will discover how to boost his brute force power to a higher level with the "haki force"

[brennen.exe]

explaining techniques in battle is too naruto-ish... :ninja:Different context though. Saying "haha, since my fire spell is ub3r leet and has the power to burn through even stone, blah blah blah blah!!" <-- mentioning the obvious or explaining a technique that we can see happening. That would be redundant and "Naruto-ish" as you say. Taking a "technique" that has been foreshadowed for a good 10 years, having it built up tremendously over the past year, and then landing the main character on an island full of people using it like toilet paper ~~ only to not explain what it actually is would be weird. Explaining it in battle of all places would make sense, since that is where it would be used against our confused protagonist.

^^ Of course, I am not suggesting it will be in battle that it is explained, but I do agree it will be explained to some extent soon.

[Zik]

How would this situation be redundant?

Luffy: What the hell is "Hockey??"
Sandersonia: You don't know what Haki is!??
[explains it to Luffy as if he were a child]
Luffy: Oh! *hits fist to palm*

^^ Then Luffy knows how to do it. Or something. Just an example.
It's redudant because that format is done in MANY manga like sometimes I can't recall a time we didn't learn of some secret or some new technique fighting style/strategy or attack that wasn't explained that way.

The sisters are suppose to be killing Luffy not giving him a lesson on haki. What sort of opponent does that? That's one reason I do like ninjas, they keep their shit secret. If your opponent knows your attack or worse off knows how do do a technique anyone can do because you told them. You deserve to die. something like that only slides with few characters that already portray overconfidence and a massive ego to the extent that they feel like it won't make a difference anyway.

If you haven't noticed fine but think about how many times you've seen the villain explain and tell a bunch of secrets to the hero just to say it doesn't matter what you know now anyway cuz you will die here, just so that the hero either survives and spreads the secret or the hero uses the newly gained info on the attack technique to defeat the villain?

Basically, do what you're suppose to do anything else is unnecessary and can lead to your downfall.

It's like If I'm gonna kill someone and when I walk in to their house and they say what are you doing here and then I tell them I'm going to kill them and then they proceed to run making it more difficult for me to kill them. When I should've just killed them on sight.
Different context though. Saying "haha, since my fire spell is ub3r leet and has the power to burn through even stone, blah blah blah blah!!" <-- mentioning the obvious or explaining a technique that we can see happening. That would be redundant and "Naruto-ish" as you say. Taking a "technique" that has been foreshadowed for a good 10 years, having it built up tremendously over the past year, and then landing the main character on an island full of people using it like toilet paper ~~ only to not explain what it actually is would be weird. Explaining it in battle of all places would make sense, since that is where it would be used against our confused protagonist.Despite all that the person that should be explaining the technique should not be someone that is going against the protagonist. If the Boa sisters explain haki to Luffy and then he knows it and then he uses it on them that would be entirely their fault. With them about to pass out saying "Oh he learned haki in the middle of the fight, unbelievable!!!!!"

Fucking ridiculous & lame.............

["Fire Fist" Ace]

explaining techniques in battle is too naruto-ish... :ninja:

Please. Naruto is not the only manga to use this concept. Plus, it's been done in One Piece before. Luffy explained to Blueno how Soru worked, and Lucci explained how Gear Second works. Usopp explained how Kabuto works, Nami had a flashback of Usopp explaining how the Climatact works, etc, etc.; it's not like it hasn't been done in One Piece before.

[Fiasco.]

explaining techniques in battle is too naruto-ish... :ninja:


Calling it now.


"If I focus my spirit energy into the core of my being I begin to emmit Haki waves, and with determination I can manipulate the waves to surround my body. Like this! See? I can put it into my fist so....Gear 4! I can focus Haki around me to create dream Luffy, the opposite of Nightmare Luffy! The only way to defeat me is to flick me in the back of the neck. Now lets go!!!!"

[AlmostLegendary]

Different context though. Saying "haha, since my fire spell is ub3r leet and has the power to burn through even stone, blah blah blah blah!!" <-- mentioning the obvious or explaining a technique that we can see happening. That would be redundant and "Naruto-ish" as you say. Taking a "technique" that has been foreshadowed for a good 10 years, having it built up tremendously over the past year, and then landing the main character on an island full of people using it like toilet paper ~~ only to not explain what it actually is would be weird. Explaining it in battle of all places would make sense, since that is where it would be used against our confused protagonist.

^^ Of course, I am not suggesting it will be in battle that it is explained, but I do agree it will be explained to some extent soon.

thats some pretty tough toilet paper must be 2 ply

[Zik]

Plus, it's been done in One Piece before. Luffy explained to Blueno how Soru worked, and Lucci explained how Gear Second worksWHOA WHOA Do you not see the difference?????????????

Explaining the opponent's attack and explaining your own attack to the opponent are 2 COMPLETELY different things. I am talking about the latter.
Please. Naruto is not the only manga to use this concept.
That's why I said it is redundant. I've seen mangaka explain things like that in different and/or simpler ways.

[joekido the Second]

I never actually understood why people think Hancock is Luffy's mom. Is it because he saw her back? How does that even relate?

Anyway, Luffy is awesome. In this chapter, he proved himself a man among men, although unwittingly, by resisting the Mero Mero beam.

This is not new back when I was a Digimon fan in a famous Magchan's Digimon fourm, whatever a mmyysstterrious human character appears fan will always assume that he is a main character's father/mother. Such as "OMG! Oikawa must be Ken's father!(WTF?), OMG! I'll bet Yamaki must be Rika's father!" it's pretty annoy but in human nature, people always want to guess like some else said, it to make themselve feel better when they are right

That's why I will laugh out loud if it was proven that Hancock was Luffy's mother. This reminds me how I use to thought Saul was Luffy's grandfather but dismissed it because I find it highly unlikly.

[MagneticMonkey]

Luffy must learn a new technique otherwise he won't be able to protect his nakamas after the reunion with them. I repeat in the next chapters it's safe to say that he will find out how it works. With hints of the amazons himself or someone else... I don't know. But for the last chapters with all these haki hints you must be blind if you state that luffy will beat them with the gears techniques go to shabondy meet his crew again and sail to the new world. I mean ... Let's keep it real!
Luffy tried to become stronger by walking on his hands so he know that he have to do that.

[brennen.exe]

Fucking ridiculous & lame.............I understand that you dislike things being presented that way, but Oda isn't reading a story book to us, so you can kiss the idea of him narrating a fight scene to us. More or less I just was confused by the word "redundant", in which I thought you were referring to the actual explaination of Haki (which has yet to occur) and not the writing style of explaining something during a battle.

Again, I was not saying it would happen. Only that it could happen, has happened before, and wouldn't be redundant in the sense that the move has never been explained before. Like freedom and I were suggesting, Luffy could simply pick up the technique on his own to a certain degree by figuring out what they do...like soru.

[CCC]

Just a note that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet:
There's a good chance that the name of "Bakyura" the panther was inspired by "Bagheera" from the Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book. Granted, the names are quite a bit different, but this, compounded with the Kaa look-alike snakes in Kuja, kind of affirms any thoughts that Oda was inspired by the tales of Mowgli...

[ponyjc]

hope haki's not something you just learn when the opponent tells you how they use it <_<
it's gotta have some kind of training process to it otherwise anyone could just "use it"

[Zik]

I understand that you dislike things being presented that way, but Oda isn't reading a story book to us, so you can kiss the idea of him narrating a fight scene to us. More or less I just was confused by the word "redundant", in which I thought you were referring to the actual explaination of Haki (which has yet to occur) and not the writing style of explaining something during a battle.

Again, I was not saying it would happen. Only that it could happen, has happened before, and wouldn't be redundant in the sense that the move has never been explained before.
I already gave other possibilities. I didn't say he has to narrate it. I said I'd prefer a narration explanation rather than that stupid way of explaining it.

To clarify, I'm talking about the how it will be explained. I have these qualms with every manga concerning new moves/techniques/abilities. Also Naruto shouldn't be mentioned even if it is an example cuz it's a insult to real ninjas. Go read Basilisk to see the extents ninjas go to learn their opponents techniques before they fight them.

["Fire Fist" Ace]

WHOA WHOA Do you not see the difference?????????????

Explaining the opponent's attack and explaining your own attack to the opponent are 2 COMPLETELY different things. I am talking about the latter.


Okay, how about when Eneru explained Mantra to Luffy, or when Usopp explained how Kabuto works to Perona?

[*Meh*]

Well, the glass armband has reappeared, but this time on Luffy's right arm.

[MagneticMonkey]

To all the people that hate haki what are you suggesting for luffy?`Should he go with his techniques to the new world and fail gloriously? I mean the i don't like haki i don't like all this force thing chakra blah and so on is getting ridiculous. Without arguments against haki you should just stop discussing it. Just to say that haki is mysterious and for that i have to hate isn't enough. I mean many people (i also) came with frequency explanations for it. Even for DF power and how haki can also break these DF powers. And you still come with "no haki in OP"

[ponyjc]

not like usopp gave her a blueprint of the kabuto >_>
and its not like luffy could've learned Mantra either.

[Crampz]

If Hancock turns into a snake, that means she will have two Devil Fruits...


I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree. Listen to where I'm coming from.

Okay:

Paramecia = Learn one ability, and that's what you get.
Zoan = Transform into animal/reptile (Dinosaur, perhaps snake) gain speed, strength, vision, etc. etc. Depending on animal traits.
Logia = They can manipulate, control, and produce what their element entails - They also gain any special bonus that the element can have.

Now, from what I remember... Both Luffy and Moria have proven to gain a "Upgrade" i terms of strength, speed, etc. WHICH in fact is a Zoan trait - Transformation.

Moria's shadow absorbing move, which himself and Luffy both did gave him a "Transformation" - Nightmare Luffy and Nightmare Moria respectively.

So what is to say that a Zoan could not produce a Paramecia-Type effect with a Zoan if it were appropriate? I think its a plausible theory. Thoughts?

[Nuzzie]

i can't believe you're complaining about explaining techniques in battle

is this your first manga or something? IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE GET USED TO IT

hope haki's not something you just learn when the opponent tells you how they use it <_<
it's gotta have some kind of training process to it otherwise anyone could just "use it"

Oh god you guys are hilarious

SHOUNEN. PROTAGONIST.

[ponyjc]

people are talking about how luffy will learn haki, but you guys only accept one answer. wtf?

[Zik]

Okay, how about when Eneru explained Mantra to Luffy, or when Usopp explained how Kabuto works to Perona?
Usopp was a dumbass for doing that and so was Enel. The difference is that mantra is most likely something you are born with so he didn't have to worry about Luffy knowing what he could do. He basically explained that he is omnipotent and knows what you're gonna do before you do it. There's no real solution for that, the ones Luffy came up with didn't help him win the fight.

As for Usopp if he did that against an capable opponent he would've got his ass handed to him cuz they would've figured a way around it.

I don't see how you can think explaining your attacks or abilities to your opponent in a fight is by any means intelligent unless telling them is part of a larger strategy to win. If you're outright telling them what you can do just cuz they asked you're a dumbass even if you are confident you're gonna win anyway.
i can't believe you're complaining about explaining techniques in battle

is this your first manga or something? IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE GET USED TO IT
I'm not complaining about it I'm saying it is stupid and I hope it doesn't happen with haki especially in this situation. IMO it's bad writing especially since you mentioned it happens "everywhere"

[igetownd]

I previously said that Usopp and Chopper are immune to Boa Hancock's Mero Mero powers, but maybe I should put them in a maybe category.

And in that bath scene, Chopper did have a nose bleed, so I guess it's possible for him to have the hots for women afterall, but he doesn't have it as much as a regular boy.

[MagneticMonkey]

it's not relevant to discuss if it makes sense that haki is explained during the battle in the arena or not .... Focus your energie on other interesting points.
I speculate a revolution on amazon lily.

[Nuzzie]

Most likely we'll get a brief explanation of what Haki does in this battle. If Oda has something more complex in mind it'll be explained further in depth by another source.

Brief explanation being "haki is blah blah, you can use to to reinforce blah blah". Luffy won't give a shit, he won't ask them questions about it.

[ponyjc]

i can see luffy just figuring haki out himself. and telling them how it works just like he did with blueno. because luffy explaining it to blueno is completely different than blueno explaining it to luffy. of course its gonna probably happen in battle or after battle just like with devil fruits but wtf why would THEY explain it to luffy so that heh learns it and kicks their ass? especially when they already saw how strong just his raw strenght is.

[MagneticMonkey]

Most likely we'll get a brief explanation of what Haki does in this battle. If Oda has something more complex in mind it'll be explained further in depth by another source.

Brief explanation being "haki is blah blah, you can use to to reinforce blah blah". Luffy won't give a shit, he won't ask them questions about it.

But luffy was wondering how the arrows can be so destructive. So it's possible that luffy has some interest in this mysterious force.

[Nuzzie]

But luffy was wondering how the arrows can be so destructive. So it's possible that luffy has some interest in this mysterious force.

Was Luffy pissed off then? No? He's not going to care at the moment

[ultimateclima]

Chapter was really good. I think that the people that said that Luffy isn't affected because he is not looking at her when Hancock does her attack is right. Luffy had his eyes covered both times. Everybody that has been turned to stone had their eyes open and facing her. Why else emphasize Luffy having his eyes closed when the beam attacked? There's probably more to the attack though than just having your eyes open for the beam to hit.

I can't wait for next week to see better pictures of Hancock's sisters in action. The designs when they transform look a lot better than how they look like normally.

[MagneticMonkey]

It's also possible that he has already forgot what he saw on hancocks back ... He is such an idiot. I just hope that he cares about haki cause he will see again that with it you can make more damage and as he knows that he has to become stronger i just hope that he uses his brain. I mean i just hope he cares about haki because i want to get more informations about it :)

[Zik]

it's not relevant to discuss if it makes sense that haki is explained during the battle in the arena or not .... Focus your energie on other interesting points.
I speculate a revolution on amazon lily.
I'm not really discussing I made a statement and like 4or 5 ppl questioned me about it.

In the end you either see it as stupid or you don't.

Also a lot of you guys are confusing what can haki do and how it works when it comes to the explanation part but w/e.

I'm still waiting for a site to be posted so I can see the chap in its full glory

[igetownd]

Chapter was really good. I think that the people that said that Luffy isn't affected because he is not looking at her when Hancock does her attack is right. Luffy had his eyes covered both times. Everybody that has been turned to stone had their eyes open and facing her. Why else emphasize Luffy having his eyes closed when the beam attacked? There's probably more to the attack though than just having your eyes open for the beam to hit.

I can't wait for next week to see better pictures of Hancock's sisters in action. The designs when they transform look a lot better than how they look like normally.
His eyes were closed. I can't disagree, but perhaps they closed after he was hit by the mero mero wave.

However, if it were that easy, why did Vice-admiral Momonga stab his hand while looking down to prevent the effects of the Mero Mero wave?

[Retro]

Two to one say Luffy get poisioned

[Kami_Sama]

Just a note that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet:
There's a good chance that the name of "Bakyura" the panther was inspired by "Bagheera" from the Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book. Granted, the names are quite a bit different, but this, compounded with the Kaa look-alike snakes in Kuja, kind of affirms any thoughts that Oda was inspired by the tales of Mowgli...
It wouldn't be the first time we got a Disney reference

[ultimateclima]

However, if it were that easy, why did Vice-admiral Momonga stab his hand while looking down to prevent the effects of the Mero Mero wave?
Well it must involve the feeling of lust for Hancock, because that must overcome every other emotion a person is feeling.

My guess is that either people become so enticed to her beauty that they cant help but look at her, so the attack works, or the beam makes you want to have her, and impure thoughts or wanting Hancock for some reason turns you into stone.

Her other attack she uses makes me think its the former. The Kiss she makes according to Luffy according to C-net's translation is similar to a lead bullet. So she was able to turn that kiss into stone like she can turn the people into stone. The former theory makes since because that means the reason everybody loves her is because she is beautiful and not just a side effect of her power.

That's just my two cents. Also I'm not sure anymore if the island knows what devil fruits are. This could really be a curse from the Gorgon or the Sisters hiding their real abilities from the island but time will tell.

[igetownd]

Well it must involve the feeling of lust for Hancock, because that must overcome every other emotion a person is feeling.

My guess is that either people become so enticed to her beauty that they cant help but look at her, so the attack works, or the beam makes you want to have her, and impure thoughts or wanting Hancock for some reason turns you into stone.

Her other attack she uses makes me think its the former. The Kiss she makes according to Luffy according to C-net's translation is similar to a lead bullet. So she was able to turn that kiss into stone like she can turn the people into stone. The former theory makes since because that means the reason everybody loves her is because she is beautiful and not just a side effect of her power.

That's just my two cents. Also I'm not sure anymore if the island knows what devil fruits are. This could really be a curse from the Gorgon or the Sisters hiding their real abilities from the island but time will tell.
Luffy's saying that Hancock's bullet isn't made of lead. That's why he got hurt. It seems that not all of Hancock's attacks are ineffective on Luffy.

Perhaps, that Kiss bullet is actually Haki combined with her powers.

[MEAT77]

kick that bitch's ass luffy!!! where is oda's note that there will be no op for 2 weeks???? i already downloaded 518 but the note wasn't there.

[ultimateclima]

Well that throws my rant out of the window. I guess her powers could possibly cause people to fall in love with her.

You are rightigetownd (http://www.apforums.net/member.php?u=3059), the kiss probably is haki and her powers, whether her powers are devil fruit, a curse, or some strange mixture of both. Either way I'm hoping for an explanation soon.

[Dark_Kaomi]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40809

Scanlation by Hueco Mundo

[Zkaiser]

His eyes aren't closed. That's just comedic 'white-eyed death.'
Oda was playing with us making us think he was affected.

[asnesio]

I guess this fight with the Two sisters will lead Luffy to learn Haki... Either he will learn by observation and remember that somehow he did it with the bull of TOBIUO RIDERS and the feeling he had with Reilergh at Human auction or the old Amazon Lady seing Luffys potential and the newspapers about his bounty would notice he is not using haki and could win the fight if got to learn it even half-way to master.
It would be as awesome as Shanks did in WB ship.... most of the amazon espectators would faint with his never seen before giant haki and his simple attacks without using the rubber fruit and the gears would make more damage than those two together... imagine how powerfull it would be with the rubber and the gears!
Coooooooooooooooooooool!!!

Perhaps haki can be effective even against logia user as Aokiji, Kizaru, Smoke as it would be something more than just a phisycal power up.

Now... the possibilities: Luffy would teach the other members of his crew to use haki. Zoro, Sanji and maybe Franky also would go uber strong. Seing the "HAKI arrows, Ussop could forge his weapons and nami's as well with Haki(using Luffy's or zoro's, I guess it wont matter). Franky could power him up and Sunny-go with it as well.

Niiice. :-D

[Sage]

I guess this fight with the Two sisters will lead Luffy to learn Haki... Either he will learn by observation and remember that somehow he did it with the bull of TOBIUO RIDERS and the feeling he had with Reilergh at Human auction or the old Amazon Lady seing Luffys potential and the newspapers about his bounty would notice he is not using haki and could win the fight if got to learn it even half-way to master.
It would be as awesome as Shanks did in WB ship.... most of the amazon espectators would faint with his never seen before giant haki and his simple attacks without using the rubber fruit and the gears would make more damage than those two together... imagine how powerfull it would be with the rubber and the gears!
Coooooooooooooooooooool!!!

Perhaps haki can be effective even against logia user as Aokiji, Kizaru, Smoke as it would be something more than just a phisycal power up.

Now... the possibilities: Luffy would teach the other members of his crew to use haki. Zoro, Sanji and maybe Franky also would go uber strong. Seing the "HAKI arrows, Ussop could forge his weapons and nami's as well with Haki(using Luffy's or zoro's, I guess it wont matter). Franky could power him up and Sunny-go with it as well.

Niiice. :-D

Oh man, you're reaching really really really far with his one.

[LogiaFruit6]

Ok I don't know if i missed this in the chapter, but how did the scene go from the kiss bullet to luffy tied in snakes in the arena. Did I miss something?

[Fiasco.]

Interesting chapter. seems both sisters have snake modeled zoan fruits. Plus hancock's character design was made a little deeper here. She was obviously suprised and even distraught that a man could resist her charm, that would make me consider her not being able to fight at all. Yet she has that kiss bullet which I hope to be explained later.



Also, did anyone else notice that the Sisters said what was on hancock's back should not be seen by anyone, even if they died. Makes me consider the fact that they might be hiding it with others (not themselves) in mind. I dunno, just a thought,

[Crossword]

Ok I don't know if i missed this in the chapter, but how did the scene go from the kiss bullet to luffy tied in snakes in the arena. Did I miss something?

The other Amazons hanging around outside were ordered to capture him after Hancock knocked him out of the air.

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

GREAT CHAPTER!!!
luffy is always the best at getting pissed for good reasons (also stupid reasons ^^) and his brute force has been impressing us for years.
i actually like the fact that the back-thing hasn't been revealed yet, not so that the stupid speculations continue but to get a chance to actually figure this out bit by bit... since i don't think that any1 got it right till now.

just a total different thing which you guys may have realised a lot sooner:
i have been watching the whole skiepia arc again and just realised that enel had this sharingan-like looking sign on his drums and also some curtains which lead to the arc maxim. since the arc maxim was a pretty advanced piece of technologie and especially cause sentoumaru also had the sharingan-sign as part of simbol on his belly i would suggest, that it is somehow conneced to dr. vegapunk or the tribe/scientist which are related/involved with him.

[Crossword]

^I actually like that idea. I believe Enel's coverstory hinted that the Bilkians were descended from the moon, which was full of robots and stuff. Good find.

[Nuzzie]

Ok I don't know if i missed this in the chapter, but how did the scene go from the kiss bullet to luffy tied in snakes in the arena. Did I miss something?

You want an explanation? I'll give you an explanation

PLOT

Luffy should've easily been able to break free from those snakes too PLOT

[CCC]

Nice find on the connection. At first I was just gonna throw the historical/technical details of that symbol at you (which I'll do anyway) and claim that you were crazy, but that kind of makes sense.

Here's the wikipedia entry on the Tomoe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe

And here's a picture I took of Raijin, part of Enel's inspiration (design-wise), when I was in Nikko, Japan.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Awasai/161.jpg

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

nice, now i got some actual knowledge and don't have to use the word "sharingan" ever again!! ^^
thank you!!!
TOMOE it is from here on forth!

also: I AM CRAZY!! :)

[brennen.exe]

Luffy should've easily been able to break free from those snakes too. PLOT.According to? Luffy comments how the snakes are like steel. Breaking steal using your force is one thing, breaking out of being bound something completely different. The snakes were likely "imbued" with Haki...though I would rather think they were not for some reason...

[Smartz118]

I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree. Listen to where I'm coming from.

Okay:

Paramecia = Learn one ability, and that's what you get.
Zoan = Transform into animal/reptile (Dinosaur, perhaps snake) gain speed, strength, vision, etc. etc. Depending on animal traits.
Logia = They can manipulate, control, and produce what their element entails - They also gain any special bonus that the element can have.

Now, from what I remember... Both Luffy and Moria have proven to gain a "Upgrade" i terms of strength, speed, etc. WHICH in fact is a Zoan trait - Transformation.

Moria's shadow absorbing move, which himself and Luffy both did gave him a "Transformation" - Nightmare Luffy and Nightmare Moria respectively.

So what is to say that a Zoan could not produce a Paramecia-Type effect with a Zoan if it were appropriate? I think its a plausible theory. Thoughts?

I must disagree. Zoan-fruits only improve the user depending on the traits they are given, like camouflage, flight, improved speed, toughness, etc., as you understand. Logia users are limited to their element; they can change the form they make their attacks with, but fire is fire, smoke is smoke, and so on. But Paramecia Fruit Users are available to use their powers as much as their imagination, as they are more "magical" in nature than Zoan or Logia users. Luffy's power of elasticity allows him to basically alter his body any way he wants as long as it is not torn to shreds, i.e. inflate himself, stretch himself, pump blood at ridiculous speeds, etc. Hancock has shown that not only she can petrify others that has ANY admiration for her, but she can focus it to her finger and use it as a projectile as seen is "Pistol Kiss". She can probably do many other attacks, like using all her fingers to shoot with.

If you (or others) are suggesting that Hancock could have a "paramecia" like power with a "zoan" power, it is highly unlikely. There is no animal that can turn living things to stone, and use heart shaped beams to do it. Her power is simply to incapacitate the ones who admire her and other similar "love" related attacks.

[Sage]

Hey Guys, I found something interesting.

This is Luffy's face taken from Ch. 279 Page 12, right after Enel attempts to shock Luffy for the first time:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2158/luffylip3fm6.th.jpg(Ch. 279, pg. 12)

Which is the same face he makes when Boa tries her Mero Mero powers on him:
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/10/9/f_Luffylip1m_728524c.jpg(Ch. 518, pg. 4)
and
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/10/9/f_Luffylip2m_d33f73a.jpg(Ch. 518, pg. 5)

Funny face, wonder if it means ANYTHING?

[Nuzzie]

According to? Luffy comments how the snakes are like steel. Breaking steal using your force is one thing, breaking out of being bound something completely different. The snakes were likely "imbued" with Haki...though I would rather think they were not for some reason...

Luffy was practically bound when he was between those buildings in water 7, he should have no problem breaking out of some like steel snakes. It's not like it matters. I guess it'd be more to do with breaking out means killing the snakes, but wanting snakes since it fits in with the culture.

PKS: Yeah that was the first thing I thought of.

Though as Soda showed me it also showed up in Alabasta

http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000169/08.jpg

[CodedTech]

You want an explanation? I'll give you an explanation

PLOT

Luffy should've easily been able to break free from those snakes too PLOT
Which can be explained by him being damaged enough by the "Pistol Kiss" (he was clearly hurt considering his grunt and the comment on it) and subsequently having snakes set on him (of which he commented on its strength.) "Steel like" is used many many times in anime/manga just to say that something is incredibly strong, not just in a literal fashion.

Though the only question would by why they let him go. Which can be explained by them simply wanting him to be defeated by the executioner in a battle which they were sure would kill him.

[Nuzzie]

Which can be explained by him being damaged enough by the "Pistol Kiss" (he was clearly hurt considering his grunt and the comment on it) and subsequently having snakes set on him (of which he commented on its strength.) "Steel like" is used many many times in anime/manga just to say that something is incredibly strong, not just in a literal fashion.

Oh come on. Anything short of impaling him at this point (for a single attack) isn't going to damage Luffy much.

yeah yeah i know there are one hit attacks that can kill luffy, but you know what i mean!

[Smartz118]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40809

Scanlation by Hueco Mundo
I just read it...they did sorta ok, but they put some unnecessary special effects, and some of the text is all messed up...I would suggest to wait for a more reliable scan.

[Sage]

Another interesting thing is that right after Luffy totally 0wn3d the Black Panther, the Amazons in the crowd were saying that "He wasn't even using Haki!"....

Which means that when Haki is used....it can be spotted........or maybe because they train so much using Haki that they can just tell? Hmmmmm......

Also in the beginning of the chapter, the sisters and Boa didn't even question why Luffy didn't turn to stone when Boa mentioned that he saw her back....the sisters automatically said "...Then he wil have to die. That is the only solution"

Which leads me to believe that "anyone seeing their back turns to stone and die" is a bunch of bullshit to the MAX.

[Nuzzie]

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227026#post227026

[CCC]

Ah ha ha...
I love Luffy's "somehow your attack did nothing" funny face. I knew it had appeared somewhere else before, but I had forgotten where. Thanks.

[Crampz]

I must disagree. Zoan-fruits only improve the user depending on the traits they are given, like camouflage, flight, improved speed, toughness, etc., as you understand. Logia users are limited to their element; they can change the form they make their attacks with, but fire is fire, smoke is smoke, and so on. But Paramecia Fruit Users are available to use their powers as much as their imagination, as they are more "magical" in nature than Zoan or Logia users. Luffy's power of elasticity allows him to basically alter his body any way he wants as long as it is not torn to shreds, i.e. inflate himself, stretch himself, pump blood at ridiculous speeds, etc. Hancock has shown that not only she can petrify others that has ANY admiration for her, but she can focus it to her finger and use it as a projectile as seen is "Pistol Kiss". She can probably do many other attacks, like using all her fingers to shoot with.

If you (or others) are suggesting that Hancock could have a "paramecia" like power with a "zoan" power, it is highly unlikely. There is no animal that can turn living things to stone, and use heart shaped beams to do it. Her power is simply to incapacitate the ones who admire her and other similar "love" related attacks

I had not read the chapter when I made my post, that being said - I didn't know about the heart-shaped beam.. I was just suggesting, perhaps someone with a Zoan-Type fruit 'Snake' could use some sort of 'venom' to induce a paramecia like effect (Petrification) - In other words, Alter the original venom into something more.

Moria's stolen shadows transforming himself into a beast that can break islands in two was pretty much a 'Strength' increasing trait. Which as you said could be defined by the 'Magical' thing that Paramecia's have, however, I believe it would be dull if Paramecia's (Select Paramecia's I might add) are the only ones subject to changes such as this JUST because it hasn't been shown the other way around.

I think If Paramecia's could get strength/speed/etc. given powers, where those are Zoan-Fruit traits, why shouldn't a Zoan-user be able to have certain alterations, which could possibly be classified as paramecia? (The venom example).

[Sage]

Ah ha ha...
I love Luffy's "somehow your attack did nothing" funny face. I knew it had appeared somewhere else before, but I had forgotten where. Thanks.

I think he is biting his lip right?

[Dark_Kaomi]

Page 9 is f-ed up on the Dako scan.

[Nuzzie]

Page 9 is f-ed up on the Dako scan.

wow

how did they even manage that

[Dark_Kaomi]

I haven't got a clue. Failure with layering perhaps?

[King_Ty]

And Saints Row 2.
Coming out next week.

fuck dont remind me...damn rrod

[Sesshy]

Damn I can't believe onemanga has the chapter out on Thursday evening. Yay for super early releases.

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

Though the only question would by why they let him go. Which can be explained by them simply wanting him to be defeated by the executioner in a battle which they were sure would kill him.

i'd go with: the snakes were scared.

[Nuzzie]

i'd go with: the snakes were scared.

Yeah the snakes were scared of bacura, for clarification

[King_Ty]

Franky House
http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showpost.php?p=227026&postcount=1

[Shaman monk]

it seems that all three sisters have something on there back cause even though luffy saw whats on her back she still says that no one should see whats on "our backs"

[Sesshy]

Oh my god. Luffy's reaction to them being turned into stone was just awesome. It just seemed even more dramatic then the whole 'They're your nakama' scream that he usually does. Also the 'You really piss me off.' added to it.

[Gravy-Kun]

It was a nice chapter, the cliffhanger was perfect for the moment.

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

it seems that all three sisters have something on there back cause even though luffy saw whats on her back she still says that no one should see whats on "our backs"

i don't want to fire up this discussion again but i'd go with freckles by now...

[Bobjr]

Luffy's face after getting hit by the second mero mero beam is hilarious. And it looks like Hancock resembles Foxy, since she seems to be affected when people don't recognized her beauty.

[123]

wow Luffy has a uncanny ability of getting caught lol

[Smartz118]

I had not read the chapter when I made my post, that being said - I didn't know about the heart-shaped beam.. I was just suggesting, perhaps someone with a Zoan-Type fruit 'Snake' could use some sort of 'venom' to induce a paramecia like effect (Petrification) - In other words, Alter the original venom into something more.

Moria's stolen shadows transforming himself into a beast that can break islands in two was pretty much a 'Strength' increasing trait. Which as you said could be defined by the 'Magical' thing that Paramecia's have, however, I believe it would be dull if Paramecia's (Select Paramecia's I might add) are the only ones subject to changes such as this JUST because it hasn't been shown the other way around.

I think If Paramecia's could get strength/speed/etc. given powers, where those are Zoan-Fruit traits, why shouldn't a Zoan-user be able to have certain alterations, which could possibly be classified as paramecia? (The venom example).

Venom is an animal trait, but there is no such venom that literally turns people to stone. Paralyze, yes, but their physical structure is never altered. The thing about paramecia types is that they can alter people in bizarre ways that nothing natural can do, like Kalifa's Golden Awa turning people into near-frictionless bodies, Foxy's Noro Noro Beam slowing people down, Bleuno's Revolving Door techinique he used on Luffy (making his face spin around), and of course the abilities affecting the eater themselves. Basically, Paramecia fruit is more "SUPERnatural" in abilities, as opposed to "natural" like animals and elements.

One Piece is filled with non-sensical creatures, people and places, but there is a limit of what can be reasonable to the average reader. If I told a person "Luffy can stretch because he ate a fruit that gives him the power to become like rubber", then that is self-explanitory. If someone had a power that gave them the ability to turn into a made up creature that spits venom that can turn into stone, then it is pushing it a little far. Oda uses fruit powers that are related to things in the real world...otherwise, it would just be TOO outlandish, even for One Piece, I believe.

[Shaman monk]

i don't want to fire up this discussion again but i'd go with freckles by now...

i dont want that discussion to but people focus on hancock but the thing is on all three cause all of them are hiding something not just one person.maybe the thing on their backs act as a puzzle and you need all three pieces to figure it out

[Salamander Natsu]

I find it strange that Hancock whos a shichibukai, doesn't know about luffy. I thought with the Enies Lobby incident the WG would inform all shichibukai about him

[MEAT77]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/518/19/

Luffy's back in action, yeah kick those two ugly bitches ass !!!! and oda also leave a message at the end of the chapter.

[Smartz118]

Something has been bugging me about this script:


Kikyou: !!! // Margaret!! ...Why...?!
Sweetpea: Hebihime-sama!! Th... "There Is An Explanation For This"!!
Aphelandra: That's right!! We found this man covered in mushrooms in the forest!! We thought he was one of our villagers, that's the only reason why we...!!
Kikyou: Sweetpea!! Ariadne!!

Why is Kikyou referring to Aphelandra as "Ariadne"? This is a mystery to me.

Also, whoever put up the Hueco Mundo scanlation up on OneManga is pissing me off. The text bubble for "Pistol Kiss" on page 6 is in the wrong place and should be replaced with a better scanlation.

[King_Ty]

Luffy http://glaforums.ej.am/Smileys/default/22.gif after the Mero beams

http://glaforums.ej.am/Smileys/default/24.gif
like when Enel used electricity on him and it didnt work

"YOU REALLY PISS ME OFF!!!"
Glad he feels the same that I do, and this pretty much confirms Margs is gonna join the crew i think
Luffys gonna save her some how shes gonna be exiled or somethin.

Great Chapter, made up for last weeks

[Shaman monk]

One Piece is filled with non-sensical creatures, people and places, but there is a limit of what can be reasonable to the average reader If I told a person "Luffy can stretch because he ate a fruit that gives him the power to become like rubber", then that is self-explanitory. If someone had a power that gave them the ability to turn into a made up creature that spits venom that can turn into stone, then it is pushing it a little far. Oda uses fruit powers that are related to things in the real world...otherwise, it would just be TOO outlandish, even for One Piece, I believe.

wow people want to much reality in a manga if you want reality go out into the world. i like to think mangas give us the insight in a fun and amazing world that would never happen not something based on life that we could just do or see our selves, thats just me

[Sesshy]

I think that Luffy is actually going to try the whole mirror thing. I mean he did confuse it with the Noro Noro beam twice, so he'll probably figure that it'll work the same way. I hope it isn't how the fight finishes, but I'm sure he'll try it. Unfortunately I could see it helping finish the fight because I honestly think Hancock masturbates to herself at night.

[DesertSpada]

Well, we knew that the stone beam wasn't going to work. Great chapter. Now Luffy will show them what he's made of and, as said earlier, it looks like Margaret's joining is solidified. Now we have to wait again, but it was a great chapter. Seems like Hancock doesn't take rejection very well.

[King_Ty]

I think that Luffy is actually going to try the whole mirror thing. I mean he did confuse it with the Noro Noro beam twice, so he'll probably figure that it'll work the same way. I hope it isn't how the fight finishes, but I'm sure he'll try it. Unfortunately I could see it helping finish the fight because I honestly think Hancock masturbates to herself at night.

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

[Smartz118]

wow people want to much reality in a manga if you want reality go out into the world. i like to think mangas give us the insight in a fun and amazing world that would never happen not something based on life that we could just do or see our selves, thats just me
I believe you misunderstand what I meant. I don't expect One Piece to be realistic at all. But the powers THEMSELVES are drawn from real life examples, which is why anything made up on the spot would not make any sense.

[maxterdexter]

The gorgon sisters remind me of Marge, Paty and Selma..

[Smartz118]

Well, we knew that the stone beam wasn't going to work. Great chapter. Now Luffy will show them what he's made of and, as said earlier, it looks like Margaret's joining is solidified. Now we have to wait again, but it was a great chapter. Seems like Hancock doesn't take rejection very well.
There is one problem with this: unless Margaret has some traumatizing background story like the rest of the crew, it is very unlikely she will join. I am sorry, but this is a fundamental rule for Strawhat membership. Otherwise, the other 2 petrified girls would have to join too seeing as they saved him as well and was betrayed by their country...which is also highly unlikely.

[Shaman monk]

oh ok sorry, i guess i took it to seriously, but still even with zoans you still take your imagination to change the skills with it like lucci used the life return techniques to change his body weight and shape and could probablly do it with his other forms. so no matter power they get oda shows that it is not always clear cut and with a little imagination you could turn something so little and change it to something humangus

[Crossword]

I sense a brief MacGuffin hunt involving the One Piece stand-in for Super Soft coming up soon. Though that might be hard when he entire island is out to kill you. Looks like that fake spoiler last week came true; after a fashion.

I also find it kind of odd that Hancock knows nothing of Luffy. Yeah, she gives less of a damn towards the government than the other Shichibukai, but you'd think that the World Government would dispatch one of those messenger seagulls with the news or something.

[DesertSpada]

There is one problem with this: unless Margaret has some traumatizing background story like the rest of the crew, it is very unlikely she will join. I am sorry, but this is a fundamental rule for Strawhat membership. Otherwise, the other 2 petrified girls would have to join too seeing as they saved him as well and was betrayed by their country...which is also highly unlikely.


Well, it's still relatively earlier I suppose. So since Margaret has spent just maybe a few hours with Luffy whom she still mistrusted since he was a man, there hasn't been much time for her to open up to this complete stranger and the first man she's ever met to give him a backstory.

One thing that goes for her a little bit better than the other two is because she has genuine feelings for Luffy and defended him because she felt that he wasn't so bad. The other two just did so because they wanted to take some of the blame off of their friend Margaret.

[Crossword]

In the interest of fairness, Usopp's past wasn't all that tragic when compared to the others. Yes, his mother died, but he wasn't embittered by it and moved on, and was proud of his father for being away as a pirate.

Though having your idol (almost certainly) destroy your perceptions of her in such a way could be pretty traumatic.

[*Meh*]

While I'm certain that ear-notching, nostril-slitting, and face-broiling are out of the question for a manga like One Piece, I'd settle for Luffy breaking Hancock's nose or leaving some other permanent facial scarring that counteracts her powers. Afterwards, she can be reduced to village menial, and looked down upon by all but the few Amazons that pity her. Sure, even villains deserve a second chance (otherwise, there would be very different coverstories) but there can be no second chance when kung-fu beauty is used for evil!

[Shaman monk]

has anyone thought that the previous leader was a gorgon but a good one and boa and her sister killed her to become the leaders

[maxterdexter]

the SFXs in the chapter... specialy when Luffy shouts at hancock, what do they mean? Is she truly in pain because someone isn't affected by her powers?

[Sage]

Something has been bugging me about this script:



Why is Kikyou referring to Aphelandra as "Ariadne"? This is a mystery to me.

Also, whoever put up the Hueco Mundo scanlation up on OneManga is pissing me off. The text bubble for "Pistol Kiss" on page 6 is in the wrong place and should be replaced with a better scanlation.

Heuco Mundos is the best out right now, FH has a whole paged f'ed up, stop complaining.

[Dark_Kaomi]

I also find it kind of odd that Hancock knows nothing of Luffy. Yeah, she gives less of a damn towards the government than the other Shichibukai, but you'd think that the World Government would dispatch one of those messenger seagulls with the news or something.

I dunno. Maybe, though she might have discarded the message, thinking it inconsequential. Though, remember, the only reason Kuma informed Moria of the Straw Hats is because they were headed in his direction.

[Zkaiser]

http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000084452/17.jpg

He's using Haki.

[Sage]

While I'm certain that ear-notching, nostril-slitting, and face-broiling are out of the question for a manga like One Piece, I'd settle for Luffy breaking Hancock's nose or leaving some other permanent facial scarring that counteracts her powers. Afterwards, she can be reduced to village menial, and looked down upon by all but the few Amazons that pity her. Sure, even villains deserve a second chance (otherwise, there would be very different coverstories) but there can be no second chance when kung-fu beauty is used for evil!

I say Luffy makes her look like the ORIGINAL Duval's...sister.

[Smartz118]

Heuco Mundos is the best out right now, FH has a whole paged f'ed up, stop complaining.
I have yet to see FH yet, and if it is only a single page, it should be easily redone. Hueco Mundo just took the Translation that was out and copy-pasted the script to whatever text balloon they thought it belonged to. They could at least put some effort into knowing which text goes where...

[mugiwara]

hahahaha, I love Luffy's shit I'm f'd face!!! Good find on the other ones, I knew I had seen that before.

I love how we are getting a training arc here but you know Luffy isn't going to do any real training. I'm with the people saying Luffy learns Haki during this fight, at least to some extent. He's already shown some ability with the skill so when the sisters laugh at him for not knowing how to us Haki, he'll watch and probably pick up how to consiously use it, even if it's not for a while later that there's any good explaination of what it is.

I have to admit, I'm really enjoying Luffy's solo adventure, it's a nice break from the tense story at Sabaody. I hope Oda doesn't spend too long on the rest of the crew though, I feel like that would be better left for anime fillers.

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

I find it strange that Hancock whos a shichibukai, doesn't know about luffy. I thought with the Enies Lobby incident the WG would inform all shichibukai about him

hancock hardly stays in contact with the WG since she hates it and the amazones don'T seem to be the newpaper reading type (except for the late late late empress) or even seem to care about the rest of the world.


the thing that bothered me most in this chapter was, that on the second last page the gorgon sisters (except hancock) seemingly looked like they both had only one leg and would therefore be maimed. i was wondering if that had been the case all along but then i saw that earlier in the bathroom scene at least sandersonia was standing on two legs while mariegolds feet remained hidden... well, but since i just misjudged mariegolds right leg for missing in the second last page it turns out they are normally both fully equipped... well and since they transformed into a snake and a ??? on the last page it wouldn't be too weird if limbs start vanishing,

BUT what the hell is that thing on the left stump of sandersonia?? is it just a pantyhose or something else and if it is, why is she wearing it only on her left leg? is it fashion?
girls, tell me!

[Sage]

I have yet to see FH yet, and if it is only a single page, it should be easily redone. Hueco Mundo just took the Translation that was out and copy-pasted the script to whatever text balloon they thought it belonged to. They could at least put some effort into knowing which text goes where...

I don't know which Hueco Mundo scan YOU looked at but FH and the HM one I have are almost the same, except FH has some of the dialog more bolder to add emotion, but honestly they translate almost exactly the same, both completely readable (except for that one page in the FH scan) which, to ME, makes the HM one more better.

[Satsuki]

Awesome chapter. Things are moving along at a nice, quick pace. Go Luffy!

I sometimes wonder just how much of the world Hancock knows, if before now NOBODY has stood up to her beauty. I can imagine there would be some guys in the New World who wouldn't give a damn how pretty she is. *coughwhitebeardshankscough*

I say Luffy makes her look like the ORIGINAL Duval's...sister.

Ah, but Sanji is the one who specializes in face-rearrangement.

[Shaman monk]

im not a girl but its like a fashionable panty hoes.it adds flair and character in a way basiccly it kind of like wearing fish nets

[Sage]

Awesome chapter. Things are moving along at a nice, quick pace. Go Luffy!

I sometimes wonder just how much of the world Hancock knows, if before now NOBODY has stood up to her beauty. I can imagine there would be some guys in the New World who wouldn't give a damn how pretty she is. *coughwhitebeardshankscough*



Ah, but Sanji is the one who specializes in face-rearrangement.

@Hancocks Knowledge of the World

I completely agree. I am sure Luffy isn't the ONLY one that can prove Boa's power useless. It's funny how conceded and cry-babyish she is...man I wonder how long she has had that power, I can only imagine how she would be if she had the power since she was a little girl....BRAT CENTRAL.

@Sanji being the Face-rearranger

True true, but like captian, like crewmember maybe? I mean we all have read and some of us may have watched (in the anime) how Luffy totally broke up Oz's face and spine, let alone seeing Luffy punch Moria DEAD in the face....nice and slow.....with a complimentary crunch noise for us brute force lovers....oh man I got the goosebumbs when that happened BOTH in the manga and the anime....truly a must read/watch

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

when i take a closer look at the raw it seems like there is a panda and a rocket (firecracker) on that pantihose :)

[Sesshy]

Maybe whoever has the newspaper will peek at it during the middle of the fight and either see his Wanted Poster (Highly unlikely but it could be unlikely if they believed he survived SA since he punched a Tenryuubito) or it'll just have an article about SA. Then they'll be like "ZOMG HANCOCK HANCOCK LOOK WHAT HE DID"

[barkadat3p]

The coverstory is really interesting..Someone suggested the person who taught rokushiki to the cp9 and I like the idea. Also, I don't think Haki is something you can infuse with your attacks easily...I think that the sisters will give Luffy a vague explanation and Luffy will try it releasing ridiculous amounts because he can't control it.

Question: Was that the same panther we saw on the ship???

Sandersonia definitely looks like a snake, any suggestions on Marigold's abilities?

[Shaman monk]

they are both snakes

[Bobjr]

Sandersonia definitely looks like a snake, any suggestions on Marigold's abilities?

I want to say they both have different models of the Snake fruit.

Is it just me or did Sandersonia's head not seem as big/wide this chapter?

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

i believe they are both gorgons and switched places with the real sisters of hancock... if not, mariegold is a carp an dies when transforming on land ^^

[Zkaiser]

im not a girl but its like a fashionable panty hoes.it adds flair and character in a way basiccly it kind of like wearing fish nets
Wait? You're not a girl?

Holy Shit.

[Shaman monk]

i know i crushed your dreams didnt i but that ok we could still have fun XD

[Zkaiser]

I could've sworn... Oh well, my intranet chick radar must be on the fringe.

[Bobjr]

i know i crushed your dreams didnt i but that ok we could still have fun XD

Not to be rude, but that sounds like a line from a very, very disturbing porno.

[Dark_Kaomi]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40814

Basement Scanlation

Edit: On second thought, stay away. The leveling is really outta wack.

[Shaman monk]

what porno was that 0.0

edit: ok we got off tracked

[Lok]

Holy hell... One Piece got scantalated first for once.

[CCC]

I think he is biting his lip right?

yes, biting his lip, and magically sprouting eyelashes.

[*Meh*]

Hmmm....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamamo-no-Mae

A beautiful, but evil woman and a 'Killing Stone'. Another Japanese folktale finds an interpretation in One Piece?

[Shaman monk]

ill still go with the europeon and americas direction that oda seem to be taking

[Nuzzie]

I don't see how this means Margaret will be joining. Until she gets a flashback I'm absolutely doubting she'll join.

[Gravy-Kun]

http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000084452/17.jpg

He's using Haki.

If you're serious, no he's not. She's reacting to his answer to her question. "you forgive me too do you not?"

If not... Well then I'm an idiot.

Now Luffy will show them what he's made of and, as said earlier, it looks like Margaret's joining is solidified. Now we have to wait again, but it was a great chapter. Seems like Hancock doesn't take rejection very well.

I thought about this after reading this chapter. It would seems like it could work... Somewhat. Like others have said a traumatic background is something the straw hats have all experienced... Crossword said Usopp's background wasn't as tragic as the rest, so there is a chance... It would be change to see Marguerite join, but also Sweet Pea and Aphelandra with her. I need a background before I am 100% sure she is.

That being said... This could end in a few ways:

- Luffy gets a ride and heads back to the Sabaody Archipelago, Marguerite joins him for her curiosity about man and the outside world (or whatever dream she has.)
- Marguerite becomes the Emperess, and helps Luffy. No one joins. Amazon Lily becomes more prosperous.
- Elder Nyon becomes the Emperess again. Amazon Lily becomes more prosperous. Marguerite joins or not.
- Options one or three: Marguerite, Sweet Pea, and Aphelandra all join.
- Oda surprises us even more with a even weirder ending to this arc.

If all three join, there will be hilarity with Sanji...

[Zik]

Holy hell... One Piece got scantalated first for once.
Remember this day for it only happens once every red moon during an aura borealis on the eve of the winter solstice in the land of manbearpig...........
has anyone thought that the previous leader was a gorgon but a good one and boa and her sister killed her to become the leaders
Now this is thinking outside the box compared to the nonsensical crap speculated around here usually. It's a little bit of reach since Boa didn't react anyway when mentioning the last empress when she talked with Nyon but it is possible and would def be a surprise I wouldn't expect.

[Shaman monk]

omg whats with the plea for flash backs. also she doesnt need it right away like robin and nami cause they didnt get flash backs in the arcs they were introduced

[game2005]

I don't think this is brought up yet. At Shabondy Island, when Duval showed Sanji the list of slaves to be auctioned, wasn't there a term that writes, "Snake-neck people"? Could it be that the Gorgon Sisters are one of those snake-neck people that was mentioned?

[YouthNinja]

This has been my favorite chapter. Not because it is new, but I love how Boa reacted to "You really piss me off". Amazing. I also loved when Luffy yelled at the audience when those three got turned to stone.