General Blackbeard Thread

[undead_assault]

hmmm, @Muda Muda No Mi, yeah, but I think BB already has the theory even before he got his Yami Yami no Fruit. And when he stolen WB's power, that was his first time.

When he fought Ace, BB said that his DF are unique and something about becoming the strongest. In that time, I began to think that his ability to sucks people and negates DF ability werent so special, after all he is relying on his fist to attack, not his DF ability. And Yami Yami no Fruit also didnt involved too much in his defense except from people with DF. Common logia fruit are generally stronger and better than his DF in terms of offense and defense.

So, what so special and unique about his DF are its ability to absorb other DF ability, that's why I think BB already has this theory that time. And about how to absorb, I think it is the opposite of Kuma's ability. If Kuma can repels anything, than BB can absorbs anythink.

And about cerberus theory, the base of that theory is one head per DF, right? But BB can use 2 powers at the same time (Chapter 577 page 14-15) with only one head.

[Sargaz]

Im sorry but what?

Well roger told whitebeard the meaning of the D in the names of those who have it. My guess is that he probably found out when he went to Raftel. We also know that someone's will is carried out through generations as shown in the scene where Ace dies. What really intrigues me is that Whitebeard specifically told Blackbeard that he was _not_ the one who carried it. Roger was also looking for the person who did, but never found him. Whichever will it is, comes from something nasty that involves the void century. At this point of the story Oda already polarized the 2 strong forces that will clash together in the final chapters, blackbeard vs strawhats. It is safe to assume that luffy either carries the will or will find the person Roger was looking for. And Blackbeard, well... maybe someone in the past only sought chaos , destruction and power. Which matches his personality. We know that in the void century weapons of mass destruction were constructed ( neptulion ) and perhaps the evil behind it had a strong will(power).

So to clear it up, I was basically wondering even if BB didnt carry the will roger was looking for he could be carrying something equally strong as he is now the most powerful being in the OP universe with a D in his name. The only thing he doesn't have is the Royalsomething Haki!

[Drake]

You changed the damn numbers again... Last time, you said it was around 130 ~ 150 or some shit, not 117... Fuck, make up your mind already.



That's better, now I can actually look at what crummy points you used, just to UPDATE my ever-so-much-better HYDRA theory, yeah!!

Actually, I said 118-130ish, sorry. one page difference.

Flag: Based off Christopher Condent's flag, represents the Moirae or Fates, fits his 3 theme.

Shanks's scar: He either a) pulled a knife on him or b) used his own fingernails

Multiple Devil Fruits: Possible power of the Yami, may have something to do with his body structure.

All three of those are as farfetched as the Cerberus theory.

Clawed him with his hand and only 3 fingers left a scar (he has some pretty big hands) or maybe he used a weapon in the area as they fought.

Who the hell has strong enough, or sharp enough, or long enough fingernails to inflict such a permanent scar onto a yonkou. I highly doubt Teach bitch slapped shanks in the face and gave him such a ridiculous scar.

AGOG's Block of text.

Ignore those two quotes I quoted.
I just posted them because I didnt feel like retyping everything.

Check out Kaminaris posts two pages ago, he presents a better argument for it than I did.

hmmm, in Chapter 578 page 8, Akainu's face is without wounds, in page 10-11, he is wounded again, in page 12, his wounds are missing again, in page 16-17, the wounds are there. Do you think Akainu is switching his heads?

Thats because Akainu is a logia. The thing about Teach's Logia is that it cant regenerate his body (like Aces, Akainus, Aokijis, Kizarus etc.)

Are you ready for the next example?
Chapter 185 page 15, no Usopp's teeth is missing.
Chapter 185 page 18, 1 upper right teeth is missing.
Chapter 185 page 19, 2 more teeths are missing.
Chapter 186 page 4, only 1 teeth is missing.
Chapter 186 page 11, 2 teeths are missing.
Chapter 192 page 2, no missing teeth.
It seems that Usopp has more heads that BB, but wait, he doesnt eat a DF, did he?

Valid Point. I will submit to that point, I still think that theres something fishy to do with Teach's teeth patterns.

hmmm, in chapter 575, last page, if you look closely, you will see his 4th pistol (covered by his clothes), but you still can see the gun's handle.

Do you have a few more examples? That couldve easily been a scan error, or even a drawing error.

hmmm, if abnormal body is the result of a DF (in this case, cerberus DF), then everybody who has eaten DF would be considered abnormal too.

Maybe if they had eaten an Ancient/Mythical Zoan fruit it could be considered abnormal (im sure three heads would be considered abnormal too.)
Check out these two quotes from wisshard.

Or maybe Blackbeard has a high mastery of his fruit and only did a minor transformation for a moment or two (since he wanted to conceal his real powers). That could possible also have been what caused Shanks the uneasy feeling about Blackbeard because he didn't see fully what it was, and that he was hiding his real powers. A (potential or current, whatever Shanks was at the moment of the fight)) Yonkou is very likely strong enough force Blackbeard to pull out all his tricks to survive.

We all know Blackbeard is prone to deception and inclined to hide his real power. His purpose to sail under Whitebeard was twofold. For starters (and the main reason), because the chances (according to Blackbeard) to find the Yami Yami fruit was higher there. And secondly, to hide in Whitebeard's shadow, avoid any attention to himself, while he searched for the Yami fruit and planned. He concealed his real fighting strength and his ambition to become Pirate King, so would it not be plausible that he would hide that he had the Cerberus fruit if he had it?

(Not that I'm particulary convinced of the Cerberus theory either^)

(just some pretty tasty points).

#1 Maybe because the limit is exist or have some consequences to user's body (like Luffy using too much gear 2nd or Magellan using too much poison).

This point is just fighting fire with fire, we both have the theories, although im guilty of it too, thats just fighting a theory with another theory. Teach has already defied the natural "consequences" of achieving more than one devil fruit, whatever his method is, I doubt he would stop unless he knew there would be consequences. Teach isnt an idiot, he obviously knows his limits as to how many fruits he can have, or he just wouldve taken everyones up until now. Maybe his "limit" is three? One fruit for each head of the Cerberus. It would be perfect too, he would have one of each type of fruit : Zoan (a mythical nonetheless), Logia, and Paramecia. No doubt some of the most powerful of each type as well.

#2 Like I said, there is a limit, Luffy cant strecth his body to 20 KMs long. Buggy cant control his body parts that separated far away from him, Aokiji cant freeze the entire world, and the list goes on...
Maybe, they dont know that Yami Yami can do that, it is the matter of the user's creativity. The perfect example would be Gomu Gomu no Mi. Even if that fruit exists in the book and its power is explained (give you power of rubber), you cant use Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd unless you figured it yourself. Luffy himself using that power after 10 years since he ate that DF.

We Dont know if theres a limit yet. Although we all know Oda isnt an idiot, and hes going to in some way limit the amount of devil fruit abilities Teach can use, and the Cerberus theory would fit that almost perfectly.

What exactly is your theory on how he uses the darkness fruit to sustain the amount of devil fruits he can use?

I definitely believe that he used the darkness fruit to extract the ability though. My guess is that he used the cloak to cover them so he could become complete darkness, then he extracted the ability out of Newgates body with the darkness fruit, and the Cerberus fruit allows him to sustain Newgates ability.

Has anyone made the "fetus in fetu" argument for Blackbeard? If he's keeping two twins alive in that massive belly of his, along with a variant of Kumadori's bio-feedback, he could extend the use of the devil fruits in his twins from his belly to his hands, thus explaining having a fruit in each hand.

That could definitely be a possiblity, but I find the Cerberus theory much more plausible, it would tie a lot of loose ends.

Just kidding, I very much prefer the theory that 3 heads in the flag represent the fates. Shanks scar can come from many things, for all we know it was an attack with a broken bottle picked mid-fight by BB. We'll see what it means that he has an abnormal body when the time comes, but it's probably something inherent to him and not related to the devil fruits; the Yami Yami no Mi allowed him to draw WB's powers out since it's gravity, not necessarily to absorb and hold them.

Did you guys know this? (read below)

Well, I'm going to play Devil's advocate on this one even though I'm not buying into this theory. A Cerberus is a creature of darkness whose 3 heads represent past, present, and future (much like the 3 goddesses of fate represent). The symbolism all fits.

Also, it's technically the heads of 3 different animals (dog, lion, and wolf).

Whats that? the Cerberus three heads represent the three heads of fate?

If you want to use the argument that the three skulls on his flag represent the three fates, well, I have actual proof that the cerberus three heads represents the three fates.

Maybe it's possible that, once he realized his darkness had the power to "absorb devil fruit powers" by contacting them (thereby negating DF users back to normal during said contact), Blackbeard could have touched upon this specific trait more to see if maybe, possibly he could find a way to absorb the devil fruit and keep its power using his darkness....

If this were the case, why wouldnt he have taken every fruit ability up until now? He easily couldve taken Ace's, or Magellans.

Tell me, are you saying thats how he extracted the ability, or is that how he sustains the ability.

Maybe this is WHY Shiryuu said what he said during that exact situation when BB was under the blanket. And, this also explains why he didn't bother stealing anyone else's powers (Ace, Magellan, etc.) UNTIL then...

MAYBE Shiryuu said that because hes technically been a member of Blackbeards crew for what, four hours?
Ill come from a point of the Cerberus theory being true okay?
Since Shiryuu was a member of Teach's Crew for a few hours, he most likely thought that Teach only had the darkness fruit. I highly doubt Teach gave him much information on the subject of how he would achieve getting another devil fruit ability, probably because :

•Shiryuu is an ex-convict on death row
•He was ex warden of Impel Down
•He worked for the marines for numerous years
•The Government could easily have striken a deal with him to rat out Teach's methods, and they could reward him with wardenship to Impel Down yet again (especially if Magellan is near death, they'll need a powerful Warden to run the place for a while), and of course take him off of death row.

Teach's original crew members too didnt seem uneasy at all, If they knew that Teach had a third head, and that he ate a second devil fruit already. It would be a pretty safe bet that Teach would survive eating a third fruit, for the third head.

And don't get me started on how Ace or Magellan's fruits give you the ability to be immune to physical attacks and Devil fruit powers. That makes NO SENSE!

Care to extrapolate on Ace? I can agree with Magellan, since hes a Paramecia (?). But we've seen several times on several logias where bullets, or punches, or kicks, or cannon balls fly directly through them. I would consider that immune to physical attacks. So far the only time this hasnt worked, is when the logia is fighting their polar opposite (IE:Crocodile getting hit by water), with the use of haki, or when the user purposely keeps their body intact (like when Ace used his physical body to block Akainus attack to save luffy), or when your logia just doesnt allow it (Teach).

And about cerberus theory, the base of that theory is one head per DF, right? But BB can use 2 powers at the same time (Chapter 577 page 14-15) with only one head.

Just that your zoan ability isnt physically active doesnt mean that you dont have a zoan ability anymore. To effectively answer that, ill have to answer with a theory (sorry D:).

I would say its plausible that he can just use the abilities without his Cerberus ability being active.

[ctarlong910]

All three of those are as farfetched as the Cerberus theory.

How is Blackbeard using a weapon and his flag being related to a real life pirate's flag more farfetched than him having some mysterious Zoan. It's not like oda has never used a real life pirate as an inspiration for a character before.

Also, care to provide evidence for the multiple personalities?

[Zik]

Who the hell has strong enough, or sharp enough, or long enough fingernails to inflict such a permanent scar onto a yonkou. I highly doubt Teach bitch slapped shanks in the face and gave him such a ridiculous scar.

Who the fuck do you think I'm talking about? Of course you would highly doubt that since you believe BB turned in to a Cerebrus and bitch slapped Shanks with his claws.

And again why are you quoting me not providing the proof you claimed was in the manga or explaining why BB having multiple personalities is fact or explaining why you called that a fact and then called it your opinion later? If you conceded CONCEDE. Don't be quoting me without my name and slipping it in long ass posts of nonsense to act like you replied with any kind of a point when you can't even reply to my post on the previous pages.

Also LOL @ it being far fetched that Oda would base BB's flag off of another pirates flag(basing characters among other things off of real life pirates and events in piracy being something he's frequently done), especially equally as far fetched as your theory.

Just in case you forgot

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Originally Posted by Drake
A Zoan ability isnt active until the user activates it.
If Teach ate the cerberus fruit, its not like all three heads would constantly have to be active.

Why you keep dodging the question? Explain how they would know he has 3 heads or is a zoan user if he doesn't activate it?

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Ive honestly not had time to read through chapters of One Piece, just so I could show some guy where I get the base of a statement I made.

Then why do you continually respond without said evidence? Just seems like your wasting txt arguing other shit since you can't support your own theory.

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Is that the best you could do? Your like a little middleschooler, everytime I say something you disagree with, you personally insult me out of nowhere.

Stop whining and make a relevant response or should I expect another "whatver you say *insert homosmileyface*" reply to this post?

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If you actually want to be taken seriously in the world,

Cut this lecture short dumbass.

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you need to start accepting that other people have different opinions than you, and that when those opinions are different than yours you need to stop directly insulting someone.

This isn't about difference of opinion. This is you unable to stick to the topic at hand wasting more txt cuz you can't do something you previously accused me of; provide evidence. No surprise you're a hypocrite.

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Sure, you can insult the theory or speculation all you want, just stop calling people dumbasses because your too arrogant to accept the fact other people have different opinions.

All these words and you couldn't even make a reply with a point that was on topic.

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I DID NOT FUCKING MAKE THE CLAIM.

Yes you did dumbass:

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theres plenty of "base" to the fact of Teach having multiple personalities, several people wouldnt believe it unless there was essentially some base too it.

You even called it a fact and went on to sound even more nonsensical by calling it far fetched.

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I just presented my speculation, to support some of my other speculation.

So it has NO base. Thank you. Just admitted that you aren't supporting this theory with evidence but speculation.

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I even said myself that it was just speculation, and it was my opinion and several other people's opinions that teach had multiple personalities.

No you didn't. You called it a fact. Just in case you forgot:

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Originally Posted by Drake
theres plenty of "base" to the fact of Teach having multiple personalities

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Just that I dont have a few hours to spare to look up some of the chapters that base my speculation doesnt mean you need to go around c alling someone a dumbass because you dont like what they say.

Stop replying until you actually find some free time to find this evidence you claim is in the manga. I don't even know why you still say this after saying you're "supporting your speculation with speculation". SMH.

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I could say the same about you : The burden of proof rests upon YOU and all those who make the same claim. I don't need to disprove anything that hasn't been presented.

You still don't get it. This is the stuff that makes anyone think you're a dumbass. I am not making the claim. YOU DID. I already proved you did. If you make a claim you're suppose to provide evidence to prove that it even has a chance of being right. I do not have to do your work for you.

Side note if you ever find your find yourself in a criminal court case as the defendant I strongly advise you don't represent yourself and pray you don't have to take the witness stand cuz after being laughed at you'll definitely be found guilty.

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since you obviously have so much free time to call people dumbasses because you disagree with them, you might as well spend some of that time proving your statement.

I didn't make a statement you did. I'm asking you to support your claim. Instead of complaining of lack of free time, whining about name calling, and yet still finding time to respond to me when you could be finding this evidence of yours.

I can already tell you won't go looking for evidence(as if you could find any), you'll reply to this post with more complaints instead of doing what you keep saying you will eventually do, and probably find something else to waste txt on when you reply to me. Probably with a "w/e you say" i.e conceding from the argument.

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Ill get around to looking up the chapters when I feel like it, okay?

Sure you will. You've spent how many posts telling me you would now? So much time to reply to me without evidence but no time to respond to me with evidence.

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Do we really need to repeat you getting your ass owned in a debate?

Are you so dense that you don't even understand what you quoted? It's hilarious how you bring up this falsehood of me being owned in an argument now.

It's also funny cuz it's apparent you don't even know what happened in that last argument.

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The fact that nobody saw it

NOBODY SAW IT. So it could've happened.

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a character who has a better opinion than either of us and was actually there

I like how you say this as if it's true. Being there doesn't mean shit if they didn't see anything

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Their speculation automatically trumps everybodys opinion on the matter.

No it doesn't. You're just saying this cuz you can't prove he didn't touch him.

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So that character, who said that it seems like Newgate was untouched, makes Newgate being untouched a more plausible theory than him being touched.

Wasted more txt instead of trying to comprehend what I said in that quote or try to find the evidence for your theory.

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Once again, directly insulting me? are you twelve?

The dumbassery displayed in that post deserved harsher words imo. I like how you ignore how you don't know the definition of "theory" and won't even acknowledge that a disagreement with/argument against a theory is not a theory itself.

[Muda Muda no Mi]

Being that you replied to a bunch of people in one post, I'll just reply to mine

If this were the case, why wouldnt he have taken every fruit ability up until now? He easily couldve taken Ace's, or Magellans.

Tell me, are you saying thats how he extracted the ability, or is that how he sustains the ability.

Can't it be both? We already know that the Yami² fruit has the ability to "absorb" devil fruit powers (Blackbeard says so himself on Banaro Island), so I wouldn't think it too farfetched for him to absorb a power and keep it...

I mean, Oda made it very clear that Blackbeard bided his time until he could find the Yami² fruit. I could even say "we all know Blackbeard is prone to deception and inclined to hide his real power. His purpose to sail under Whitebeard was twofold. For starters (and the main reason), because the chances (according to Blackbeard) to find the Yami Yami fruit was higher there. And secondly, to hide in Whitebeard's shadow, avoid any attention to himself, while he searched for the Yami fruit and planned. He concealed his real fighting strength and his ambition to become Pirate King."

But besides all that, if (let's say) the Cerberus theory is true, then how would BB have extracted the Gura²'s power from Whitebeard? Feast on his corpse? Hide a blanket over him so no one would see a tiny fruit sprouting out of his body!?

At least with the Yami² fruit, there's a possible reason how this could happen (given BB's motives for wanting it to begin with, and the comments he's made regarding it's "abilities")...

[Drake]

Can't it be both? We already know that the Yami² fruit has the ability to "absorb" devil fruit powers (Blackbeard says so himself on Banaro Island), so I wouldn't think it too farfetched for him to absorb a power and keep it...

Oh yeah, im not saying thats not a possibility at all. Its actually the theory I believe second to the Cerberus.

The main reason I believe in the Cerberus theory, is because it ties up so so so so so many loose ends. If he were to have the fruit, virtually everything would fit into place.

But besides all that, if (let's say) the Cerberus theory is true, then how would BB have extracted the Gura²'s power from Whitebeard? Feast on his corpse? Hide a blanket over him so no one would see a tiny fruit sprouting out of his body!?

thats why I asked which side of the coin you were directing all of that out.

Im not doubting at all thats how he extracted the fruit from Newgates body, thats actually exactly what I believe. Im saying that the Cerberus fruit allows his body to sustain having more than one ability. Sorry for the misunderstanding :s

[Kaminari]

Can't it be both? We already know that the Yami² fruit has the ability to "absorb" devil fruit powers (Blackbeard says so himself on Banaro Island), so I wouldn't think it too farfetched for him to absorb a power and keep it...

Cannot be power of Yami because

Point #1. Why didn't he try to kill Magellan and get his fruit, then steal WB's fruit and Ace's? Sure fire or poison aren't THE most powerful fruits but both make you immune to physical attacks plus being immune to devil fruit powers should be a nobrainer.

Point #2. Ask simple questions like, how does it work, why can't he take 20 fruits, whats the limit, World Government would DEFINITELY know if there was such a powerful fruit BECAUSE THEIR GUY VEGAPUNK WROTE A BOOK ABOUT DEVIL FRUITS which BB read. No way in hell would they let him live, if they knew that Darkness fruit could do this.

Both points create HUGE plotholes.

Magellan's fruit is arguably even better than Logia in terms of not being able to get hit, all BB would have to do is catch someone and simply by touching them he would not only disable their powers but also kill them with poison.

#2 Like I said, there is a limit, Luffy cant strecth his body to 20 KMs long. Buggy cant control his body parts that separated far away from him, Aokiji cant freeze the entire world, and the list goes on...
Maybe, they dont know that Yami Yami can do that, it is the matter of the user's creativity. The perfect example would be Gomu Gomu no Mi. Even if that fruit exists in the book and its power is explained (give you power of rubber), you cant use Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd unless you figured it yourself. Luffy himself using that power after 10 years since he ate that DF.

Read my post #3012, even if you don't support the Cerberus theory here is the counter argument to your post.

YAMI YAMI IS NOT THE ULTIMATE fruit, BB was EASILY defeated by Magellan. BB told Ace that this fruit makes him the most powerful and that he was searching for it for 20 years. THE ONLY POSSIBLE explanation to this would be that HE KNEW what that fruit could do (steal powers) and how would he know it? BY READING THE DF book.

#3012 here I explained the other possibly explanation, but it is one that supports Cerberus theory. Yami stealing powers is a plot hole if it is true.

I'm gonna reply to some of the previous posts when I get the time.

[undead_assault]

Magellan's fruit is arguably even better than Logia in terms of not being able to get hit, all BB would have to do is catch someone and simply by touching them he would not only disable their powers but also kill them with poison.

hmmm, you hit Akainu, you lost your hand, literally.
You hit Aokiji, you may frozen to death.
You hit Ace, you burned.
You hit Enel and you are not Luffy, even worse.
But of course, they must turned on their abilities first.

Read my post #3012, even if you don't support the Cerberus theory here is the counter argument to your post.

YAMI YAMI IS NOT THE ULTIMATE fruit, BB was EASILY defeated by Magellan. BB told Ace that this fruit makes him the most powerful and that he was searching for it for 20 years.

#3012 here I explained the other possibly explanation, but it is one that supports Cerberus theory. Yami stealing powers is a plot hole if it is true.

I'm gonna reply to some of the previous posts when I get the time.

Having the ultimate fruit doesn't make you invulnerable. WB is the perfect example, he possessed Gura Gura Fruit but he still stabbed easily by Squardo.
Yes, he lets his guard down and is getting old, but still.

THE ONLY POSSIBLE explanation to this would be that HE KNEW what that fruit could do (steal powers) and how would he know it? BY READING THE DF book.

Only possible explanation? So you are basically stating that your theory is a fact and doesn't consider the other possibilities?
We dont know what has been stated in the DF book, but I expect it would contain the appearance of the fruit and the power it bestows, but I dont expect it would explain every potential it has.

So I think it will be like this:
Goro Goro Fruit -> Logia -> Power of lightning. But to use its power to do thunder alchemy or electromagnetic waves enhancing mantra? I highly doubt it will be stated in the book.

Gomu Gomu Fruit -> Paramecia -> Power of rubber. The book will say something like Gear 2nd or 3rd? I doubt it.

Yami Yami Fuit -> Logia -> Power of darkness/gravity. And I'm pretty sure the book doesnt say about took other's powers. Why? Because if it stated in the book, everyone who reads the book will know that.
That's why I said BB already has a theory to steal someone's power by his own creativity not from the book.

[Kaminari]

Having the ultimate fruit doesn't make you invulnerable. WB is the perfect example, he possessed Gura Gura Fruit but he still stabbed easily by Squardo.
Yes, he lets his guard down and is getting old, but still.

Wb let himself get hit, he never planned coming back alive he just wanted to sink Marineford.
He still handled BB without his fruit and with half of his head missing, he handled Akainu in 2 hits.

Do you not realize that the whole argument fails when BB has said himself that he searched TWENTY YEARS for this fruit. HE ALREADY KNEW what he was going to do with it. It is unimaginably stupid to think that he didn't know what he was doing and that he only later found out that he can steal abilities.
Then the next question is WHY DID HE NOT TAKE Ace's fruit or Magellans if he could just steal abilities? Gura Gura + any Logia or Doku Doku + Yami Yami = unbeatable.

This is why Cerberus theory is so good, it explains why he wanted Wb's fruit (last fruit he can take), why he didn't take every fruit he encountered, why GOVERNMENT didn't realize that his plan was to steal WB's fruit, it would explain that they were thinking his fruit is Yami Yami when in reality he had another unique DF that allows him to have 3 powers.

Now that I think about it, I will be disappointed if it isn't Cerberus fruit. Because any other explanation would probably fail to explain the following > Why he wanted Yami fruit if he didn't know it could steal powers > why he can't steal 2nd Logia and become invincible > why nobody in the world know the power of Yami fruit except him.

[Muda Muda no Mi]

Cannot be power of Yami because

Point #1. Why didn't he try to kill Magellan and get his fruit, then steal WB's fruit and Ace's? Sure fire or poison aren't THE most powerful fruits but both make you immune to physical attacks plus being immune to devil fruit powers should be a nobrainer.

If you read the entire post, you'd see my reasonings behind why I said what I said: It's a simple possibility that Blackbeard, unsure of whether or not he could absorb a fruit's power and keep it, decided to try it out on the first person whose fruit he really wanted NEXT: Whitebeard. This simple possibility EASILY explains why he didn't steal Magellan's fruit; why risk trying it out on someone whose fruit you don't want as bad!? Same goes for Ace. Besides, whether or not it's because of the Yami² (or Cerberus²), it would only apply if the user was DEAD to begin with. Otherwise, the fruit powers would return back to the user (like what happened with Ace on Banaro). And obviously, Blackbeard kept Ace alive so he could give him to the WG (and, in doing so, get his spot in the Shichibukai).

And I can understand some sort of immunity to physical attacks (through a logia, but not so much Magellan's poison), but how the hell does any of those make you IMMUNE to devil fruit powers!? Explain that...

Point #2. Ask simple questions like, how does it work, why can't he take 20 fruits, whats the limit, World Government would DEFINITELY know if there was such a powerful fruit BECAUSE THEIR GUY VEGAPUNK WROTE A BOOK ABOUT DEVIL FRUITS which BB read. No way in hell would they let him live, if they knew that Darkness fruit could do this.

See above. Asking questions like that would lead to NOWHERE, because you nor I are ODA, so we don't have the factual answers! Hence why everything we're talking about here are THEORIES, OPINIONS, CONJECTURE, SPECULATION (whatever word suits you).

As for the second part of your point, you could be right about the WG knowing about the Yami²'s power; Vegapunk might've wrote all those books (we DON'T know this, and neither do you), and all the information regarding the Yami²'s power might've been written there (including the footnote saying that it absorbs DF powers, etc.), but that still doesn't stop the fact that you still have to FIND the damn thing. Which is why Blackbeard sailed with WB all those years: the chances of finding said fruit were highest with him. Going back to what Wisshard said before, Blackbeard also hid in Whitebeard's shadow, avoided any attention to himself, while he searched for the Yami fruit and planned. He concealed his real fighting strength and his ambition to become Pirate King.

Once Thatch found the fruit, it's possible no one on WB's ship (with the obvious exception of BB) knew what powers that fruit bestowed. And, even when BB killed him, took the fruit (eventually eating it), and escaped, you never heard anything about him! He was still under the radar. When the Strawhats run into him on Jaya, you aren't introduced to him until AFTER he makes his plans known. And even then, he doesn't show any instance of having the fruit's power. In fact, all that time that he's been chased by Ace (who, mind you, was looking for him since OBVIOUSLY before Drum), no one knew of Blackbeard. Sengoku knew nothing of this "Blackbeard" fellow when Lafitte offered him up as a possible candidate back in Mariejois, and even remarked something about him having NO bounty. So, explain to me HOW the WG would, No way in hell, let him live, if they knew that Darkness fruit could do this if NO ONE KNEW he had the fruit to begin with. The only people who knew or SAW Blackbeard had the Yami² fruit's powers before his expose at marineford were ACE back on Banaro, and Luffy's escape crew in Impel Down; both situations that were isolated from the World Government.

So, now that the WG KNOWS that Blackbeard has this powerful fruit, it's only obvious that they won't wanna let him live (especially now that he's coupled it with another dangerous fruit power). And, to answer the "why can't he take 20 fruits" or whatever, maybe NOW that he knows that it is in fact POSSIBLE to absorb a fruit and keep it, who's to stop him from finding another user with a power that he wants. We can't vouch for Blackbeard because we don't know what the next step in his plan is; and we most CERTAINLY can't vouch for Oda, who's writing all this shit!

Both points create HUGE plotholes.

Explain what plotholes this would create? Because I can't see any...

Magellan's fruit is arguably even better than Logia in terms of not being able to get hit, all BB would have to do is catch someone and simply by touching them he would not only disable their powers but also kill them with poison.

No, because you still have the possibility of GETTING hit! Just because you're drenched in your own fluids doesn't make you impervious to physical attack (Luffy did so himself, even when he knew he'd get poisoned). And we're not even TALKING about ranged attacks or DF powers. I can easily see Doflamingo slicing at him like Oars Leg, or Kuma using that "Paw Cannon", or Kidd slapping him with a huge ass METAL arm. Point is, Magellan is just as much a target for DF powers as any other yahoo would be against someone who had DF powers that didn't require attacking physically.

And yes, IF Blackbeard had his fruit, he probably COULD do something like what you said, but alas he CAN'T because that window of opportunity is gone and closed.

Read my post #3012, even if you don't support the Cerberus theory here is the counter argument to your post.

Already have; it's the same copypasta here that I'm replying to, so there's no need to refer to it.

YAMI YAMI IS NOT THE ULTIMATE fruit, BB was EASILY defeated by Magellan. BB told Ace that this fruit makes him the most powerful and that he was searching for it for 20 years. THE ONLY POSSIBLE explanation to this would be that HE KNEW what that fruit could do (steal powers) and how would he know it? BY READING THE DF book.

Well, maybe it IS the ultimate from Blackbeard's perspective, hence why he was searching for it for so long! Doesn't make him the all-knowing god of Devil fruits just because he made an opinion about a fruit that HE thinks is the greatest. You don't see anyone complaining about their DF powers; in fact, if you ask any one of those DF users who have top-of-the-line powers, I'd be willing to guess that they too think theirs is the ultimate fruit.

Aokiji: I have the ultimate fruit! I can freeze entire fucking oceans for christ's sake!

Kizaru: I have the ultimate fruit~~! Why? Cause I can move at the speed of light, fire beams of MASS destruction from any point of my body, and I'm impervious to attack!

Akainu: I can beat fire and rain magma fists! Plus, I can melt a man's face off ALONG with half of his supposed "kickass" moustache. Can you!?

Moria: If I were a smart man, I could easily rip your shadow off of you in clear daylight, just to watch you burn. Not to mention, I can switch places with my shadow whenever I so choose.

Doflamingo: I can control your every action AGAINST your will, and I can cut every appendage off of you before you even realized it happened!

etc., ad infinitum....

Anyways, just because Blackbeard thinks it's the ULTIMATE fruit ever, doesn't make it right! Especially if you think him stealing the Gura²'s power was NOT because of the Yami²! If it IS because of the Yami², then he has every reason to say it's the ultimate fruit (because he has the Gura² now because of it)!

#3012 here I explained the other possibly explanation, but it is one that supports Cerberus theory. Yami stealing powers is a plot hole if it is true.

Why direct me to a different page if more than half of that post is on the one on THIS page? Anyways, I would like to hear your perspective on what kind of plothole this would make, and why?

[Kaminari]

And obviously, Blackbeard kept Ace alive so he could give him to the WG (and, in doing so, get his spot in the Shichibukai).

After Ace died, why didn't he take his Logia power?

And I can understand some sort of immunity to physical attacks (through a logia, but not so much Magellan's poison), but how the hell does any of those make you IMMUNE to devil fruit powers!? Explain that...

It is Blackbeards reasoning behind getting Yami fruit (DF immunity). Obviously you aren't immune to physical attacks even as Logia but we still call it immune, Doku fruit would eat your hands making you semi immune to physical attacks couple that with Yami fruit that BB said that he wanted specifically so he can nullify anyone's DF power with it.

Explain what plotholes this would create? Because I can't see any...

BB searches for the fruit he claims is the strongest for TWENTY YEARS meaning he had to know if it could steal powers. IF he didn't know that it could steal powers then BB is the biggest idiot in the world, based on his own boasting of being the strongest after eating Yami fruit. He got his ass whooped by Magellan, WB and Sengoku proving that he is an idiot, which of course he isn't.

If stealing fruits is power of Yami. HE JUST HAD TO KNOW IT before he ate it, there is just no other way.
How could he know this? DF book that he was talking about or he learned it through the word on mouth but WORLD GOVERNMENT would definitely know the rumor. Unless they are total moron's, they would figure out that a guy with this particular fruit brings in Ace to start the war with his former Captain and THE strongest man in the world. Do you think it would not occur to anyone that he wants to steal WB's fruit?

This is why I said that it will be a disappointment if it isn't Cerberus fruit.

[AGOG]

Alright, I'll look over at the other post for this Cerberus Theory, I wish you actually would just SHOVE a link in my face so I won't have to spend time going through unfamiliar ground searching... You know, a write-up of the whole work would be best. For instance, if you ever looked at my Perona stuff, I actually had a thesis post that had the whole argument in it, if I had to rewrite it or whatever, I would, but often, I could just link someone there... It's also on my signature, or an easy place to find/ locate. You should spend the time and prepare your argument so that you can "have" the links somewhere and just use them for a quick reference rather than thinking off of a memory or whatever.

Like I said before, this Cerberus Theory is something I wouldn't even place any "time" into, so I don't know the contents of it except the few segments where people were complaining about "they" meaning two Blackbeards that I came across in a chapter discussion thread-- obviously, correcting their incorrect read of that phrase.

I'll check the other guy's work, since you suggest he has a "full one" compared to the stuff I saw on yours. I'll reply later...

PS, Why was the nakama thread closed?

[flandrian15]

for the 3 scars on shanks' face, it could just as well have been so that blackbeard killed a bear and used the bears claws to make the scar because he didn't have a weapon.
It is just as likely as the Cerberus theory, actually, everything is as likely as that theory which actually started as a joke

[ctarlong910]

How is that just as likely? There's at least a little evidence pointing towards the cerberus theory. That's just a random guess. And he does have a weapon, he has guns, and by then his Yam Yami no Mi. Also, how could he kill a bear and tear off his paws in the middle of a fight?

Although I don't see how people find it so unbelievable that he could scar somebody by scratching the, This is a series where:

*a person can flick somebody else and puncture their skin
*a person can get run over by a train and use shipbuilding experience to turn himself into a cyborg
*a person can kick so well their leg sets on fire (and doesn't burn them)
*a person can control their hair
*a person can jump on air
*a person can make their body as hard as steel
*a person can kick so powerfully that the air will travel at such a speed it will cut somebody
*a person can jump off the ground 10 times in a fraction of a second to move faster than the human eye
*a person can make their body go limp like paper so that attacks fly by them
*a person can cut through a massive boat in one swing
All simply through hard work. So yeah, it doesn't seem possible in this world for a person to scar somebody scratching them.

[Drake]

Alright, I'll look over at the other post for this Cerberus Theory, I wish you actually would just SHOVE a link in my face so I won't have to spend time going through unfamiliar ground searching... You know, a write-up of the whole work would be best. For instance, if you ever looked at my Perona stuff, I actually had a thesis post that had the whole argument in it, if I had to rewrite it or whatever, I would, but often, I could just link someone there... It's also on my signature, or an easy place to find/ locate. You should spend the time and prepare your argument so that you can "have" the links somewhere and just use them for a quick reference rather than thinking off of a memory or whatever.

sounds good, sorry for the inconvenience.
I actually have a few quotes I like pasted, but ill definitely take that advice and get a few quotes ready :).

for the 3 scars on shanks' face, it could just as well have been so that blackbeard killed a bear and used the bears claws to make the scar because he didn't have a weapon.
It is just as likely as the Cerberus theory, actually, everything is as likely as that theory which actually started as a joke

as stated above, atleast the Cerberus theory actually has some logic in it.
The cerberus theory would tie up SO many loose ends its not even funny.

The thing about the Cerberus theory, is that if it were true, there would be no (major) plotholes. It almost fits everything perfectly.

If stealing fruits is power of Yami. HE JUST HAD TO KNOW IT before he ate it, there is just no other way.
How could he know this? DF book that he was talking about or he learned it through the word on mouth but WORLD GOVERNMENT would definitely know the rumor. Unless they are total moron's, they would figure out that a guy with this particular fruit brings in Ace to start the war with his former Captain and THE strongest man in the world. Do you think it would not occur to anyone that he wants to steal WB's fruit?

to add to this, I could see it highly possible that Teach essentially invented the extraction of someones devilfruit.
He obviously knew that his fruit "sucks" the ability out of the other user on contact, and im sure through twenty years of research he would know that if the ability can "suck" the ability out of the user on contact, there must be a way to "suck" the ability out permanently. And if he did have the cerberus fruit, he would know he had nothing to fear in the way of his body "exploding".

[ctarlong910]

The cerberus theory would tie up SO many loose ends its not even funny.

The thing about the Cerberus theory, is that if it were true, there would be no (major) plotholes. It almost fits everything perfectly.

What loose ends would it tie up other than how BB, was able to eat two fruits? It ties up no more loose ends than any other of how BB could eat 2 fruits. The only other "loose ends" are the things that fans are trying to force.

He has one personality, nowhere has he been shown to do anything with a different mentality than he had before. We have asked you a number of times for evidence and you've never given it.

His teeth changing is simply Oda being sloppy. The only way I would ever believe this meant he was a cerberus would be if there were only 3 different patterns of his teeth missing, but there aren't there are a ton. Does he have a head for every single one of those patterns?

How could Luffy and Zoro possibly know that he was a cerberus when they said "not him, them". They are clearly referring to the rest of BB's who are later seen gathering together walking through Jaya. I don't see how this could possibly be a loose end, there is a clear explanation for what they mean.

His flag is clearly a reference to the famous pirate that somebody already pointed out. It fits perfectly with his theme. It's not as though Oda has never based any of his characters after another real life pirate.

The 3 scars over Shanks' eye could be caused by anything (except an animal claw that he tore off an animal standing nearby during the fight), including blackbeard's fingernails. His fingernails would make plenty of sense, I've already pointed a number of far more ridiculous feats, accomplished only through training, than scarring somebody by scratching them. Out of all the feats I listed this is probably the only one that could ever be achieved in the real world.

[Kaminari]

What loose ends would it tie up other than how BB, was able to eat two fruits? It ties up no more loose ends than any other of how BB could eat 2 fruits. The only other "loose ends" are the things that fans are trying to force.

He has one personality, nowhere has he been shown to do anything with a different mentality than he had before. We have asked you a number of times for evidence and you've never given it.

Forget the split personality stuff, its nonsense. He held 2 powers at the same time, its not possible with split personality.

Cerberus theory would explain a few MAJOR things:

1. How BB is able to have multiple fruits. (1 per each head)
2. Why nobody know that he could and therefore never guessed his plan to take WB's fruit. Even if Yami fruit was known to be able to absorb fruits, a normal body cannot have 2 fruits without exploding. (3 heads)
3. Why he didn't take Ace's fruit which would give him Logia properties coupled with his Yami and Gura fruits would make him truly the strongest. Why is he not interested in Marco's fruit or any other? (reached max fruits per head)
4. Why he claimed that he has the ultimate power and the fruit he wanted and yet was defeated by Magellan, WB and Sengoku. (misdirected Ace to prevent him from knowing that its not his first DF power)
5. Why Shanks' scar looks like a scratch.
6. Why BB has such am amazing physical endurance and recovery even with amplified damage from Yami fruit.

There are probably more minor once like "missing teeth", its "them" but if you look at the bigger picture it ties everything that we have seen from BB up until now.

It is a theory and could be wrong but that would be disappointing in my opinion.

Something like, he scratched Shanks because he was angry, can hold multiple fruits because he ate a lot of pie, nobody in the world except him knew about extracting fruits (there is just no other explanation as to why WG couldn't deduct why he brought in Ace), didn't get more fruits cause he is lazy or there is some limit on # extracted, tanking ability just because he is fat.

[Drake]

What loose ends would it tie up other than how BB, was able to eat two fruits? It ties up no more loose ends than any other of how BB could eat 2 fruits. The only other "loose ends" are the things that fans are trying to force.

read below.

He has one personality, nowhere has he been shown to do anything with a different mentality than he had before. We have asked you a number of times for evidence and you've never given it.

fair enough, that is my own personal opinion regardless. I still havnt used that directly as an argument for the theory, someone just said "why do you believe in the theory" and I stated why I believe in it, and I believe Teach has three personalities, so I put that down.

His teeth changing is simply Oda being sloppy. The only way I would ever believe this meant he was a cerberus would be if there were only 3 different patterns of his teeth missing, but there aren't there are a ton. Does he have a head for every single one of those patterns?

Thats just as speculative as ours is. So far all we know is that Teach's teeth constantly change, not only when hes in battle, but in between panels where hes doing nothing more than talking.
If it was just a "mistake" im sure the anime wouldve covered it, yet they include the teeth patterns in the show.
I doubt Oda would screw up that much. Seriously, what artist doesnt notice that hes changing the amount of teeth missing in one of the most prime, main characters in the series. If so many of us noticed Teach's teeth patterns, theres no way in hell Oda --The guy who actually drew it up-- wouldnt notice.
Sure, it could be just a mistake, but it supports the cerberus theory, so I would be stupid not to use it.
Ill start looking to see if there are three different patterns, can you show me a few panels where theres more than three?

How could Luffy and Zoro possibly know that he was a cerberus when they said "not him, them". They are clearly referring to the rest of BB's who are later seen gathering together walking through Jaya. I don't see how this could possibly be a loose end, there is a clear explanation for what they mean.

maybe the same way Zoro could hear steel breathing?
That quote is just as much of a personal opinion as mine.
Not necessarily, re-read that whole chapter, only someone who fails at grammar wouldnt notice that the comment was directed at Teach. It doesnt seem like Luffy or Zoros style to openly ignore Nami, even if they are pissed off.
I would recommend re-reading it, even before the Cerberus theory was a theory, people constantly talked about how fishy that comment sounded. Its just when it was used to support a theory that a lot of people dont like, people start saying that they were just referring to his crew.
Once again, of course its just educated speculation, but it supports the Cerberus theory, and im going to use it. Until its confirmed, we're just fighting theories with other theories.

His flag is clearly a reference to the famous pirate that somebody already pointed out. It fits perfectly with his theme. It's not as though Oda has never based any of his characters after another real life pirate.

Point me in the direction as to where you got your evidence to support this. And even if it is, that doesnt mean it cant have dual meanings. If it turns out it represents the three fates, that give the Cerberus theory even more credibility.

Guess what else "fits perfectly with his theme"? The Cerberus does, plenty.
The three heads of a cerberus represent the three fates (just like a lot of people believe Teach's flag does) -- past, present and future -- So if you want to use what "fits with Teach's theme" as an argument, the Cerberus theory fits his "theme" better than anything else ive read on here.

The 3 scars over Shanks' eye could be caused by anything (except an animal claw that he tore off an animal standing nearby during the fight), including blackbeard's fingernails. His fingernails would make plenty of sense, I've already pointed a number of far more ridiculous feats, accomplished only through training, than scarring somebody by scratching them. Out of all the feats I listed this is probably the only one that could ever be achieved in the real world.

Okay, if it could be "caused by anything" then it could also be caused by the claw of a Cerberus.

So let me get this straight, your telling me that Teach "trained" his fingernails to become strong enough to inflict a wound deep enough, to scar them for life. Need I bring up a picture of shanks?
You would have to have some strong, long, pointy fingernails to permanently scar a Yonkou, without the use of a devil fruit ability?

The fact that Teach seems to rely so much on his devil fruit ability, would lead one to believe that he isnt naturally that good of a fighter, and if you got in a rumble with a yonkou im sure you would have to pull out all of your lowest, dirtiest tricks to survive.

[ctarlong910]

Forget the split personality stuff, its nonsense. He held 2 powers at the same time, its not possible with split personality.

Yup.

Cerberus theory would explain a few MAJOR things:

1. How BB is able to have multiple fruits. (1 per each head)
2. Why nobody know that he could and therefore never guessed his plan to take WB's fruit. Even if Yami fruit was known to be able to absorb fruits, a normal body cannot have 2 fruits without exploding. (3 heads)
3. Why he didn't take Ace's fruit which would give him Logia properties coupled with his Yami and Gura fruits would make him truly the strongest. Why is he not interested in Marco's fruit or any other? (reached max fruits per head)

So it would explain how he could eat more than one DF asked 3 different ways? As I said, that's what everybody is speculating. I can come up with tons of retarded theories to explain he can eat more than 1, that doesn't make them right.

4. Why he claimed that he has the ultimate power and the fruit he wanted and yet was defeated by Magellan, WB and Sengoku. (misdirected Ace to prevent him from knowing that its not his first DF power)

So it would explain why he is weaker than them? I'm pretty sure that's just because he's too overconfident and needs more practice.

5. Why Shanks' scar looks like a scratch.

I believe I've already confronted this twice.

6. Why BB has such am amazing physical endurance and recovery even with amplified damage from Yami fruit.

This is pretty much the only legitimate loose end tied up by the Cerberus theory.