Shichibukai Discussion Thread

[V3N0M1300]

I read a fanfic once where Doc Q fought with bombs.

Also, I too hope Brook is the one that fights Lafitte

[Jejune]

Lafitte's and Brook's similarities are the only ones I find TOO obvious so that I don't want that matchup to happen. I'd like to see Nami fight a man properly as well, I don't think Robin's had a catfight yet so she can have Catarina...

[Mark D. Manuel]

shichibukai didnt do much in the war
i want more from them like moria stealing a bunch of shadows or kuma teleporting people but all we see is the admirals kicking luffys ass

well anyways how come people are talking about lafitte and brook in this thread

[koalaman13]

I am just a reader and never a poster, yet something occurred to me....Couldn;t the government take this oppurtunity to eliminate not only the WB pirates and allies, but the shichbukai as well? They are all facing away from the big hitters int he government and while fighting the pirates they could do a double cross. Te shichbukai are more tolerated as a necessary evil right? Well, who says they cannot eradicate all evils at once in their mind? As Mark D Manuel said, they have not really played a big part yet.

[S.C. Amigo]

A good idea, but think of this: If Whitebeard and his men rescue Ace and get out alright, that means they, in a sense, "won", and beat the Marines in their ultimate hour of triumph, the event that Roger's execution was supposed to be. So, this event might inspire more people again like Roger's last words that Pirates can beat Marines in such a high risk battle, and we might see another (smaller) surge of Pirates, and now the importance of the Shichibukai is now more important then ever. Especially, when the Supernovas come to the New World, too.

[Brook]

The Shichibukai really got messed up in this war. I'm curious to see what's gonna happen with them overall in the next arcs.

Inactive
Crocodile-Defeated, stripped of title, fights against the Marines in the war
Blackbeard-Doesn't even show up to the war to help the Marines, an act which is threatened with a stripping of a title
Boa Hancock-Fought the Marines during the war
Jinbei-Fought Marines during the war

Active
Kuma-Is basically just a total military dog now since his free will appears to be gone.
Mihawk-Aids the Marines in the war
Doflamingo-Questionable, as he attempts to build non-Marine alliances but he still cuts off Oars Jr's leg and stops Jozu(though that was just a byproduct of his true goal)
Gecko Moria-Aids the Marines in the war

Just seems weird to me. It took 7 of them to equal the power of the Admirals and Yonkou and 3 of them have defected. Supposedly the world would go apeshit if these three powers weren't equal.

EDIT: Or maybe they just claimed that the Yonkou couldn't exceed the Shichibukai + Marines? I don't remember.

[wintergt]

shichibukai didnt do much in the war
i want more from them like moria stealing a bunch of shadows or kuma teleporting people but all we see is the admirals kicking luffys ass

We didn't get a play-by-play of the war, just snippets of fights and focus on the most important moments. We are probably to assume they have played an important part in this war, holding off all the NW captain, their strong seconds and the WB division commanders. Just remember that scene where Doflamingo is sitting on a pile of corpses.

I am just a reader and never a poster, yet something occurred to me....Couldn;t the government take this oppurtunity to eliminate not only the WB pirates and allies, but the shichbukai as well? They are all facing away from the big hitters int he government and while fighting the pirates they could do a double cross. Te shichbukai are more tolerated as a necessary evil right? Well, who says they cannot eradicate all evils at once in their mind? As Mark D Manuel said, they have not really played a big part yet.

Funny you mention that, I actually made a haphazard prediction when Sentoumaru showed up that they might try that, and replace the shichibukai with pacifista (in the power balance of things), but it didn't turn out that way. And like I said above they probably played a significant part but we just weren't shown the details of how they fought a bunch of NW pirates we don't even know in the first place.

Just seems weird to me. It took 7 of them to equal the power of the Admirals and Yonkou and 3 of them have defected. Supposedly the world would go apeshit if these three powers weren't equal.

EDIT: Or maybe they just claimed that the Yonkou couldn't exceed the Shichibukai + Marines? I don't remember.

Yes I think the power balance is supposed to be that the marines+shichibukai hold the balance vs the 4 emperors (but that whole concept is a bit shady), and they're only fighting one emperor now. They would have probably crushed WB's forces pretty badly (as was to be expected) if it wasn't for those damn kids! (ie Luffy)

[S.C. Amigo]

OK, I've posted all this before so I sum it up:

-I imagine that Hancock will remain a Shichubukai. She did answer the call, and did attack the enemy. However, I imagine a stiff fine, or something, as (I think) she does not want to risk losing her post, leaving Amazon Lily open to attack, after Sengoku asks if he wants to revoke her position.

-Blackbeard is the great "What if?" here. Me, I think he'll pin the blame on Magellan, saying his ship got a distress call from ID, and since that's a government property, and since serving the WG comes first, he went there, and says all he wanted was to help curb the riots, saying Hannybal interrupted his capture of Luffy, saying Magellan was a pest, also with the help of Shiryuu, whose evidence of crimes is now destroyed, leaving Senogku to remain unaware of his crimes. Basically, he does his plan of making chaos of letting Level Six guys out, and blames their escape on Magellan, etc. This allows him to keep his post, and Magellan is given a ultimatum that until ID is repaired, if he can't fix this mess, he loses his job, leaving him open to see him again.

Of course, this still leaves the last spot open, which could be a increased bounty Crocodile, a Supernova who thinks that the Marines being no longer an enemy will make their objective of Pirate King/Queen easier, of whatever. I'd be suprised if any of the three turn out true.

[Zik]

All I hope for are 2 new shichibukai looking to prove themselves(in a way) by seeking to take down the supernova in the NW as well as other NW pirates.

[Big_Bad_Lith]

I think Franky has to fight Jesus.

I think that this quote applies not only in this thread, but in every single context ever.

[Mad Wanze]

I am just a reader and never a poster, yet something occurred to me....Couldn;t the government take this oppurtunity to eliminate not only the WB pirates and allies, but the shichbukai as well? They are all facing away from the big hitters int he government and while fighting the pirates they could do a double cross. Te shichbukai are more tolerated as a necessary evil right? Well, who says they cannot eradicate all evils at once in their mind? As Mark D Manuel said, they have not really played a big part yet.

Because even if Whitebeard gets taken out, there are still three other Emperors and thousands of up and coming pirates like the Supernovas to deal with.

The job of the Shichibukai is to balance the power between the government and the pirates.

[Silence]

I think the most important thing to remember about the Shichibukai is that they are still pirates. Remember that it was stunning for even TWO of them to show up during a summons, and that almost ALL of the Shichibukai have gone and opposed the WG behind their backs, or defied them in a critical way, or are just biding their time to build up strength to be major pirates again. Few of the Shichibukai are reliable allies. I mean, Hancock, Kuma, Crocodile, and Jimbei at least are all traitors, with the rest excepting maybe Mihawk having questionable intentions at BEST!

And yet, their very name and reputation strikes fear into the hearts of other pirates and acts as a deterrent to their actions.

I don't think it's WG + Shichibukai = Yonkou. I think it's much more likely that the Shichibukai walk a line that's halfway between the WG and the Yonkou, as far as allignment goes. It feels more like it's WG = Shichibukai = Yonkou. You can hardly consider the Shichibukai true allies of the WG, but they're clearly powerful allies and having them target other pirates is far better than the alternative: having them as outright enemies.

I think breaking it down any further than that is nitpicking. The Shichibukai are too untrustworthy to be considered true allies - they just aren't fighting the WG right now.

[Zik]

Because even if Whitebeard gets taken out, there are still three other Emperors and thousands of up and coming pirates like the Supernovas to deal with.

The job of the Shichibukai is to balance the power between the government and the pirates.

Not to mention right now the marines do not have the power to take out the shichibukai.

The pacifista aren't shit to them. I'd argue the real Kuma can handle most if not all of them.

[Thousand Lion-chan]

Seeing as Jimbei has left the Shickibukai, that means we're gonna get at least one new super Pirate which is pretty exciting seeing as all the Shickibukai are awesome in their own way with incredible powers and awe inspiring feats.(Say what you will about Hancock but she has definitely proven herself to be just as strong as the other Shickibukai complete with an interestingly destructive power and that she belongs with them).

[Mad Wanze]

^I doubt we'll see new Shichibukai any time soon.

The war is going to change the entire power balance, no matter who wins. No way the Government is going to recover just like that.

[phoenix_fire]

^I doubt we'll see new Shichibukai any time soon.

The war is going to change the entire power balance, no matter who wins. No way the Government is going to recover just like that.

You have just contradicted yourself. The WG cant afford to have only 5 shichis, all the more because they will be severly battered after the war.

Presuming that there will be a time skip for the strawhats to reassemble, the WG will have plenty of time to announce some new shichibukai. Most likely we will get no precise information on them but just a name in a newspaper or so.

[Zik]

^I doubt we'll see new Shichibukai any time soon.

The war is going to change the entire power balance, no matter who wins. No way the Government is going to recover just like that.

You forget the part where where Moria and Kuma are talking about the numerous choices for Croc's replacement.

[koalaman13]

Because even if Whitebeard gets taken out, there are still three other Emperors and thousands of up and coming pirates like the Supernovas to deal with.

The job of the Shichibukai is to balance the power between the government and the pirates.

Very true. Guess I have been so focused on the current players we see, I forget the broad picture.

[Mad Wanze]

You have just contradicted yourself. The WG cant afford to have only 5 shichis, all the more because they will be severly battered after the war.

Presuming that there will be a time skip for the strawhats to reassemble, the WG will have plenty of time to announce some new shichibukai. Most likely we will get no precise information on them but just a name in a newspaper or so.

Will they be in a position to offer the would be Shichibukai anything? After the war, if I were a guy on Shichibukai level, I'd be like "why should I? The Great Powers are broken! It's time for ME to take over."

I'm pretty sure that's the attitude most guys have. Just look at what the guys on Level 6 in Impel Down were saying. The Government would need a lot more than the Shichibukai to get things back under control.

[bigpoopoo]

Not to mention right now the marines do not have the power to take out the shichibukai.

The pacifista aren't shit to them. I'd argue the real Kuma can handle most if not all of them.

pretty sure that the marines have the power to handle the shichibukai
i mean luffy beat moria (OK i'm not saying luffy is necessarily stronger than moria) and so far luffy has not even come anywhere near hurting any of the admirals

the only shichibukai that has shown themself to be maybe at admiral level is kuma (maybe mihawk)

and we haven't even seen what sengoku can do

and don't forget garp

therefore, marines >>> shichibukai