Shichibukai Discussion Thread

["Fire Fist" Ace]

An idea just came to me: What if Moria's current state (lack of ambition/ability, weight gain, etc.) isn't a result of his defeat at the hands of Kaidou, but rather a result of an ability that Kaidou posesses? Granted, we know Perona has a fruit that creates negativity, so that's not available to Kaidou, but what if Kaidou has a fruit that does something similar, only much worse, such as removing a person's "ambition" or "drive"? Can you imagine a person that's immune to Haki, simply because he takes your Haki away from you, literally? Considering Kaidou can mean "Church", and the other Yonkou go by nicknames, it's possible that Kaidou's name is a reference (ironically) to his ability: to take away your faith/ambition.

Just throwing this out there.

[kagehisa]

An idea just came to me: What if Moria's current state (lack of ambition/ability, weight gain, etc.) isn't a result of his defeat at the hands of Kaidou, but rather a result of an ability that Kaidou posesses? Granted, we know Perona has a fruit that creates negativity, so that's not available to Kaidou, but what if Kaidou has a fruit that does something similar, only much worse, such as removing a person's "ambition" or "drive"? Can you imagine a person that's immune to Haki, simply because he takes your Haki away from you, literally? Considering Kaidou can mean "Church", and the other Yonkou go by nicknames, it's possible that Kaidou's name is a reference (ironically) to his ability: to take away your faith/ambition.

Just throwing this out there.

That's a great theory! Bumped!

[BingBang]

That's a great theory! Bumped!

Well if he can do that he can own Shanks.

[Saturnchild]

True, the Yoda scene was really an addition in the anime, but it still didn't change the message transported throughout the war: Moriah doesn't cut it anymore.

If Jinbe really considered Moriah a threat, he would have stayed and made sure that his fellow Shichi really stays out of Luffy's way. But there was no need for that. One punch was enough and Jinbe thought he can move on without worry - and so he did. He considered Moriah not worthy enough to pay more attention to - and Moriah didn't seem to be capable to prove otherwise (before and after the punch).

He simply wasn't worthy enough to bother. Opposed to Akainu, who was such a danger to Luffy that Jinbe immediately decided to throw his life at him.

Edit: In essence, real Shichibukai aren't just tossed aside. Mihawk had to be occupied by Whitebeards best swordsman Vista, Kuma got distracted by Ivankov and Doflamingo clashed with Crocodile.

I think Moriah impotence is a perfect reflection of the philosophy of One Piece. Those who fight and brave the challenges of the ocean become strong. Those who stagnate in place like and rely on the power of others like Moriah become irrelevant. This is reflected well in the defeat of Crocodile as well. However Crocodile seems to have gotten his spirit back and with that seems to become relevant again. I wonder if the same will happen to Moriah

yonkou are true pirates that fight the world government..
they gather other pirate flags and form a big alliance (like what WB once had). though im not sure that other yonkou do that also. by doing that they have the strength to face marines and claim territories.
shichibukai are government dogs, though they can quit it if they want.. but they truly aware that by doing that they will face against the likes of sakazuki and kong. i think they're just avoiding a clash with WG and marines.
what im still confuse of is the case of jinbei, who once a shichibukai, mean that he's an alliance of WG while at the same time FI was under the protection of WB, which is WG's enemy.

I wouldn't say dogs. They seem to have almost complete independance as we saw with Mihawk they rarely even bother to answer summons

I think it began with Big Mum being described as the "Crocodile of the New World", an opponent so strong that Luffy can't beat her without luck or trickery (yet). People further defended the idea by saying that it would be ok for Luffy to already take down a Yonko, as long as she is the weakest of the four (since if she wasn't there would be no development possible).

This also means Crocodile must be the weakest Shichi, else the comparison wouldn't work.

Why do people assume that Luffy must fight her by himself? I think this would be a great place for the Monster Trio to fight together. I am pretty sure Luffy, Zoro and Sanji together can defeat or least fight to a draw Big Mom while the rest of the Straw Hats are taking care of her officers

[Baou Zakurga]

To get on topic:

I don't think there are any new shich's,beside Buggy:

1)They aren't needed for the story

2)The Shich's only patrol the first half

3) Akainu might not want to ally with more pirates,after everything that happened,and if the pacifistas are stronger and more numerous,other Shich's are unnecessary

[King Cannon]

To get on topic:

I don't think there are any new shich's,beside Buggy:

1)They aren't needed for the story

2)The Shich's only patrol the first half

3) Akainu might not want to ally with more pirates,after everything that happened,and if the pacifistas are stronger and more numerous,other Shich's are unnecessary

1) How do you know that?

2) That's because they had their own plans/businesses that could only be realized in the first half. Mihawk was the only one without anything of the sort, but he has little reason to go to the New World.

3) Akainu has no control over this sort of thing. The Shichibukai are the responsibility of the WG and the WG only. They're also needed to keep the balance between the three powers. Also, the Pacifistas are very expensive to make, so I doubt they would have grown so much in numbers in those past 2 years.

[Triceron]

The needs of the story will dictate where the Shichibukai will be needed, and where they will go. Again, it's Marines + Shichibukai to balance out the 4 Yonkou. With Akainu in charge of the new forces, and the marines having more presence in the New World, it may be time for the Shichibukai to follow.

[BekaDidAct]

God, why is Moria so underappreciated and underrated?!

Hidden:

[Kishido]

Just wait till Prime Moria will kick some heavy asses

Spoiler:

[Baou Zakurga]

/Moria appreciation thread/

[S.C. Amigo]

An idea just came to me: What if Moria's current state (lack of ambition/ability, weight gain, etc.) isn't a result of his defeat at the hands of Kaidou, but rather a result of an ability that Kaidou posesses? Granted, we know Perona has a fruit that creates negativity, so that's not available to Kaidou, but what if Kaidou has a fruit that does something similar, only much worse, such as removing a person's "ambition" or "drive"? Can you imagine a person that's immune to Haki, simply because he takes your Haki away from you, literally? Considering Kaidou can mean "Church", and the other Yonkou go by nicknames, it's possible that Kaidou's name is a reference (ironically) to his ability: to take away your faith/ambition.

Just throwing this out there.

Maybe expand it a bit more of him controlling a bit more emotions, and that's a pretty solid idea and one I never would have thought of.

[Superbear 22]

An idea just came to me: What if Moria's current state (lack of ambition/ability, weight gain, etc.) isn't a result of his defeat at the hands of Kaidou, but rather a result of an ability that Kaidou posesses? Granted, we know Perona has a fruit that creates negativity, so that's not available to Kaidou, but what if Kaidou has a fruit that does something similar, only much worse, such as removing a person's "ambition" or "drive"? Can you imagine a person that's immune to Haki, simply because he takes your Haki away from you, literally? Considering Kaidou can mean "Church", and the other Yonkou go by nicknames, it's possible that Kaidou's name is a reference (ironically) to his ability: to take away your faith/ambition.

Just throwing this out there.

That's not a bad idea. Even though Perona has negativity nothing says that someone can't have full control of the emotion spectrum and there have been multiple times now where Devil fruits have similarities on the surface

Spoiler:

(Crocodile and Caribou both being earth themed, Ace and Akainu both having pyro related abilities, and Boa and Foxy emitting pink photon beams)

but underneath every Devil fruit is unique and the user's use of an devil fruit adds to the creative ways it can be used.

On another note I believe when Kaidou appears officially in the story Moriah will reappear, hopefully in a restored Ryuk-like form.

[LUCCI DA PIGEON PIMP]

What if kaido is in fact a giant ? After all moria was planning to fight kaido with oz , i always found excessive that fighting kaido required an immortal giant zombie but if kaido is an actual giant that would make sense.

[Ryuksgelus]

How would an immortal giant zombie be excessive if he going against WB or Mihawk? Big Mam seems to be a giant. Would be pretty boring if Kaidou is one too. Prefer if he was a medium sized guy like Croc or Franky or normal sized instead of large or giant human and definitely not a Giant or Giant Giant.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

An idea just came to me: What if Moria's current state (lack of ambition/ability, weight gain, etc.) isn't a result of his defeat at the hands of Kaidou, but rather a result of an ability that Kaidou posesses? Granted, we know Perona has a fruit that creates negativity, so that's not available to Kaidou, but what if Kaidou has a fruit that does something similar, only much worse, such as removing a person's "ambition" or "drive"? Can you imagine a person that's immune to Haki, simply because he takes your Haki away from you, literally? Considering Kaidou can mean "Church", and the other Yonkou go by nicknames, it's possible that Kaidou's name is a reference (ironically) to his ability: to take away your faith/ambition.

I don`t see your mentioned lack of ambition..he wnated to build a new stronger crew, where each member is a zombie so that he can once again try to conquer the NW.
Don`t know where you see there a DF used by Kaidou when he doesn`t alck anything.
When Kaidou would rly posses such an ability Moria wouldn`t even be a shichibukai sitting on some nameless island and never even thinking about going anywhere near the NW again.

[game2005]

A question for people who seriouly thinks that Buggy is/will be a Shichibukai: Seriously?

I doubt the government would make him one just because he used to be with Roger, and I'm sure that they did research on him before sending out the invitation too. Being famous isn't enough to make you guarantee a spot. Strength is also a deciding factor, and unless Buggy somehow manages to hide the fact that he is weak this whole time, the government mostly definitely wouldn't want him.

I brought up this once before: A friend of mine says that the government is only temporarily making him a Shichibukai until they find a more suitable candidate. Because the public doesn't know much about Buggy, they believe that they will fear him simply due to the fact that he's used to be with Roger.

[King Cannon]

A question for people who seriouly thinks that Buggy is/will be a Shichibukai: Seriously?

I doubt the government would make him one just because he used to be with Roger, and I'm sure that they did research on him before sending out the invitation too. Being famous isn't enough to make you guarantee a spot. Strength is also a deciding factor, and unless Buggy somehow manages to hide the fact that he is weak this whole time, the government mostly definitely wouldn't want him.

I brought up this once before: A friend of mine says that the government is only temporarily making him a Shichibukai until they find a more suitable candidate. Because the public doesn't know much about Buggy, they believe that they will fear him simply due to the fact that he's used to be with Roger.

Did you forget that Buggy's crew now has a bunch of pirates with bounties above 100 Million? Buggy's strength doesn't matter when you have plenty of subordinates that could fill the spot of Shichibukai themselves under your command.

[Superbear 22]

A question for people who seriouly thinks that Buggy is/will be a Shichibukai: Seriously?

I doubt the government would make him one just because he used to be with Roger, and I'm sure that they did research on him before sending out the invitation too. Being famous isn't enough to make you guarantee a spot. Strength is also a deciding factor, and unless Buggy somehow manages to hide the fact that he is weak this whole time, the government mostly definitely wouldn't want him.

I brought up this once before: A friend of mine says that the government is only temporarily making him a Shichibukai until they find a more suitable candidate. Because the public doesn't know much about Buggy, they believe that they will fear him simply due to the fact that he's used to be with Roger.

He got bat mail, he's a warlord, no question. He's pretty much the Mr. Satan of One Piece.

[RomanceDawn]

A question for people who seriouly thinks that Buggy is/will be a Shichibukai: Seriously?

I doubt the government would make him one just because he used to be with Roger, and I'm sure that they did research on him before sending out the invitation too. Being famous isn't enough to make you guarantee a spot. Strength is also a deciding factor, and unless Buggy somehow manages to hide the fact that he is weak this whole time, the government mostly definitely wouldn't want him.

I brought up this once before: A friend of mine says that the government is only temporarily making him a Shichibukai until they find a more suitable candidate. Because the public doesn't know much about Buggy, they believe that they will fear him simply due to the fact that he's used to be with Roger.

I'll add my 2 cents. Buggy has a reputation of being a brother to an emperor and serving under Roger. According to the Marines he was just lying low until the perfect time strike. They accuse him along with Luffy as the sole 2 people who initiated the break out of Impel Down and they see him threaten Shanks and it appeared that White Beard acknowledged his "power."

He got a messenger bat like Jinbe, you havn't been paying attention. That's why the government would want him.

[Jabra]

I'll add my 2 cents. Buggy has a reputation of being a brother to an emperor and serving under Roger. According to the Marines he was just lying low until the perfect time strike. They accuse him along with Luffy as the sole 2 people who initiated the break out of Impel Down and they see him threaten Shanks and it appeared that White Beard acknowledged his "power."

He got a messenger bat like Jinbe, you havn't been paying attention. That's why the government would want him.

Not to speak of the fact that Buggy remained unscathed till the end of the war, despite:

- Being frozen to the core by Aokiji
- Being attacked by Mihawk
- Being attacked by Akainu (he wasn't the target, but who could tell?)

Buggy, in his own retarded way, took on the strongest figures of the war. Even if his connection to Roger would have remained a secret, I'm sure the people participating in the battle would still acknowledge his "feats".

As to how he could keep his title for another 2 years? The same way he gained it: through sheer luck.