Chapter 474 "Gotta Do It" Discussion

[Gorlom]

Of course they can. We have even see one seem decapitated, and head and body continued to work as one (remember when Chopper punched out the head of a zombie, in the chapter when the weak trio fist met the living dead?)

Also, when was the last time someone in One Piece had a broken limb or was "smashed to dust"?

broken limbs? that would be usopp in alabasta i belive... not entirely sure though.

it depends on how much is severed. if its just one limb they can piece together again but if they are all broken, smashed, severed and spread out its alot harder to piece it back together.

as far as i know the zombies doesnt have excessive regenative properties, (thats reserved for heroes only) they would have to sew their limbs back on. (did we see that zombie actually reattach his head? did we really see the head still working before it was reattached?) imo a smashed or broken limb is different from one that has merely been severed.

[Twilight SEED]

About it being a while since the Mugiwara crew lost, Aokiji anyone? That could be seen as a lose even though the primary goal of saving Robin suceeded. It caused both Usopp and Robin to leave the crew, so I'd see it as a big lose. Also, they all got destroyed in round 1 V Odz.

[smith]

Toooo Digimon? Or maybe just enough Digimon?

No Digimon at all :)

Hmmm...Now that you say that, can Robin attack Moria whilst he is in Odz, since she can now see him?

I think so, remember how she peeked into the library in Ohara. Same thing applies here too. She could do a Franky too him.

[Kuroneko]

Hmmm...Now that you say that, can Robin attack Moria whilst he is in Odz, since she can now see him?

I remember that in Jaya Arc Robin mentioned she couldn't attack too huge beings. And even if she attacked him, Moria could find a way to dodge her move.

[Gorlom]

I remember that in Jaya Arc Robin mentioned she couldn't attack too huge beings. And even if she attacked him, Moria could find a way to dodge her move.

Didn't she attack Oggy with 100 fleur attack just a chapter or two ago?

[Kuroneko]

That's true (though that was more a bondage-like move). Even if that tortoise monster was bigger than Odz...

Still, Moria can avoid her attacks. I wouldn't put much faith in that, but he doesn't seem to be idiotic or weak enough to fall in her moves. He could ask for Doppelman if that happens.

[tony-kun]

.....again with the leet speak in the chapters.


anyways, yea, this is why I always thought the WG and schichibukai were one group.

[Gorlom]

.....again with the leet speak in the chapters.


anyways, yea, this is why I always thought the WG and schichibukai were one group.

that wouldnt make sense with what ocean told us about the strenght of the powers beeing Shichibukai = Yonkou = Marine instead of S+M=Y

[tony-kun]

Yes, but I think this chapter confirmed that the schchibukai get orders from the WG.

and Kuma is the only one that follows them.

The balance was also mentioned, but I still don't understand the checks and balances.



So the Schichbukai capture pirates for the WG for amnesty, but still do pirate dealings?

So they are Half-pirates?

Just trying to make sense of it is all.

[Gorlom]

yep. they lessen the work load of the goverment by captureing/killing pirates.

although as i understand it they still plunder civilians (incase the pirates doesnt have any booty) and provides the Marines with part of the spoils in exchange for the freedom they are currently enjoying.

[CodedTech]

I don't think that last part was stated in the manga, and giving how the Shichibukai and Navy seems to have a relationship of opposition in a way, seems unlikely.

[Gorlom]

it is stated that the shichibukai gives WG or the Marines part of their spoils.
i dont know if it was made clear if it was from other pirates or civilians though.
(although the exchange between DoFlamingo and Sengoku leads me to belive Civilians are involved)

[Knight in Panther's Skin]

I don't think that last part was stated in the manga, and giving how the Shichibukai and Navy seems to have a relationship of opposition in a way, seems unlikely.

How the hell are they in opposition with each other? They are both a part of the World Government.

[*Meh*]

They are privateers. That is to say they are pirates without sanctions, granted special license to ply their trade by the WG in exchange for a portion of their earnings. For a comic Oda has said "isn't that deep", the existence of the Shichibukai hint at a subplot within the teen audience range, as opposed to the preteen audience.

The World Government, like any government, is charged with maintaining civil order and law. The Golden Age of Piracy, with its countless hordes of pirates looting, pillaging, and raping (off-screen, of course) is too large a threat for their forces to control, let alone destroy. They simply lack the resources and manpower to do it, especially in the face of superhuman pirates.

The best course of action the WG could take therefore, was to recruit anyone whose strength was sufficient to crush down pirate crews with ease. Since not all of these people were willing to enlist, and since many were determined to live as pirates, it was decided that a certain amount of leniency would be shown to the strongest pirates, in exchange for their help in crushing the hordes of weaker pirates. This way, the Marines would not be overrun and all civil order destroyed.

Between the Yonkou and the Shichibukai, there are at least eleven pirates or pirate groups that pose a serious threat to the WG. If the Marines were committed to a war against the Yonkou, it is believable that they would win it; however, they would be so weakened by it that they would be unable to continue fending off all of the other, weaker pirates. Moreover, the Shichibukai could take advantage of such a situation to attack several countries- thus cutting off vital resources from the WG, further weakening their position. And if the Yonkou attacked either of the other two, they would be wiped out by whichever side lasted longer. So all three sides are constantly in check, unable to do more than glare at each other or scoff. A balance is maintained so long as no side falters. This is why Kuma worries about Blackbeard's promotion: he was a former underling of one of the Yonkou. The fact that he willingly betrayed his own side to join another raises questions about his loyalty to the side he joined.

[CodedTech]

it is stated that the shichibukai gives WG or the Marines part of their spoils.
i dont know if it was made clear if it was from other pirates or civilians though.
(although the exchange between DoFlamingo and Sengoku leads me to belive Civilians are involved)

Well which chapter was it stated? And in the exchange between Doflamingo and Sengoku, I don't think there was any mention of civilians.

Sengoku: Shall we start? There's no use waiting...
No one else will come...
Getting 2 out of 6 was better than I had expected.

Doflamingo: Yeah, I didn't wanna come either.
The island business has been too good lately.
I came cause I was bored.

Sengoku: Well, that's depressing to hear.
There's nothing as unfortunate for us to hear than that the pirating business is going well.

How the hell are they in opposition with each other? They are both a part of the World Government.

They may both have the same 'boss', but that doesn't mean they're allies.

Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"... two conflicting groups of equal power holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.

[Gorlom]

How the hell are they in opposition with each other? They are both a part of the World Government.

PEACE TREATY! they have a peace treaty! they are not part of the same organization.

Well which chapter was it stated?

you know i realize i dont quite remember that atm.. funny... might ahve been when they were introduced by Johnny and Yosaku and called lapdogs of the goverment.

[Aldrich]

That's true (though that was more a bondage-like move). Even if that tortoise monster was bigger than Odz...

Still, Moria can avoid her attacks. I wouldn't put much faith in that, but he doesn't seem to be idiotic or weak enough to fall in her moves. He could ask for Doppelman if that happens.

She had troubles with Jigoroh, so it's pretty obvious she's not going to clutch Moria.

[Knight in Panther's Skin]

PEACE TREATY! they have a peace treaty! they are not part of the same organization.

Both are under the flag of the World Government, it's just that one of them is a loose coalition of pirates that they'd rather not deal with.

[Gorlom]

i havent seen any shichibuka fly the WG flag.

what do you mean by "under the flag of the World Goverment"?

[TontTonyChopper]

Oh and were learning more about the "Trigger" that the narrator spoke about when Ace pulled out the Spirit Bomb on BB. The first part of the Trigger must be BB becoming a Sichibukai.