General 'Four Emperors' Discussion

[Mr. All Sunday]

I think Roger's nickname was gold because...that was his name.

I like the four guardian of whatever idea, though perhaps Kaidou has a black theme?

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[Aldrich]

A tar Logia would be pretty awesome.

And yeah a black theme would fit with what Moria said about the true nightmare being in the New World.

He seems quite the ominous bastard that Kaidoh.

[Ubiq]

Whatever Kaidou's power is, it has to be something capable of at least nullifying Moria's power for the two of them to have fought to a relative standstill (judging by comments by Moria as well as what was said when the shadows were released, it would seem that Moria's failure was less because of lack of strength on his part and more because of the lack of it on his crew's part).

The most obvious answer, the Yami Yami Fruit, isn't available. So whatever Kaidou has, he either doesn't cast a shadow for whatever reason or is capable of making cancelling out his shadow. Probably some sort of light producing Paramecia.

[Mr. All Sunday]

Or a tar logia.

To make his shadow disappear.

[Archibald Desmond Deus]

Does it state whether Moria's defeat was an absolute slaughter or does it just state Kaidoh got the better of him?

[skarlath]

Does it state whether Moria's defeat was an absolute slaughter or does it just state Kaidoh got the better of him?

It said that they fought evenly for a while

similar to Shanks and Mihawk

[OPOIOPP999]

Well if that's true than that could very well knock Moria up/down a Tier depending on how strong Kaidoh was back than in comparison to the other Emperors and how strong he is now.

[Ubiq]

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Or a tar logia.

To make his shadow disappear.

It might make it difficult to find, but it wouldn't disappear altogether.

Tar seems better suited to being a Paramecia like the Doru or Awa Fruits than an actual Logia really, but even then, I have to wonder if there's a way to depict it in action in a way that doesn't look like the Yami Yami Fruit's effects.

Does it state whether Moria's defeat was an absolute slaughter or does it just state Kaidoh got the better of him?

Judging by his ranting about needing a crew and the statement about them fighting evenly, the most likely answer is that Moria's crew of the time couldn't match Kaidou's. While the two might have been evenly matched when they went head to head, Kaidou plus his crew was enough to force Moria out of the New World in the long run.

[Kaizoku-Syn]

The notion for the Chinese Mythological Directions for the Yonkou is interesting but another person in the Vegapunk forums has the better connection concerning the Color Scheme.

I believe the Admiral Connection has a bit of sense to it.

http://www.vegapunk.com/forums/index.php?topic=2320.0

[Ubiq]

Mind summarizing it?

Their forums don't seem to be cooperating right now.

[skarlath]

Mind summarizing it?

how 'bout copying and pasting?

"We all know that Oda likes using Myths, Legends and Fables (fable backwards = Elbaf btw) and converting them, and as i was reading some old chinese myths when somthing hit me.

There are said to be 4 seas in chinese mythology North, South, East and West....(hmmm that sounds familure)

They in turn are represented by four colors Yellow, Blue, White and Red....(hmmmm those colors are familure too..)

They have also been represented by different animals over time including a Monkey, a Bird, a Dragon, and a Dog....(that was when something pinged)

A north sea with a yellow monkey =Admiral Kizaru??
A south sea with a blue bird = Admiral Aokiji??
A west sea with a red dog = Admiral Akainu??

Which just leaves the East sea with a white dragon

This is all speculation but it would explaine why Dragon is the most wanted man alive. After all if one of the World Goverments top people defected and turned against them they would probably want him dead no matter what...

Also considering how much Garp was trying to train Luffy into becoming a Marine its a safe bet to say he did the same with his own son.

EDIT 1

Plus another titbit of info i'v found is that the 4 seas are also assiciated with the 4 seasons. Unfortunatly i havent been able to find out which ones they are associated with, but we do know that Aokiji has the Akuma no Mi power of Ice = Winter?, and maybe, just maybe, Dragon has some sort of Kaze Kaze no Mi power, we saw a huge Typhoon hit Louge Town when he appeared, and Typhoon season is in the Autumn....

EDIT 2

A little bit more info on my theory...

Japan also has mythology around 4 seas they are all represented by different color dragons, 3 colors are the same as in china red, yellow, and blue, but the 4th one is BLACK and not white...

IF Dragon was an admiral he would have worn white, but everytime we've seen him he was wearing black....(i think)

Maybe a Yin Yang type thing.....?good? White dragon becomes ?evil? black dragon...

White = good = World Government???
Black = evil = Revolutionarys???
(in WG opinion)

please remember that this is all speculation and theory.....

EDIT 3

I forgot to mention that the Black Dragon in Japanese mythology can also summon Typhoons.

EDIT 4

Hmmmm.... this ain't to do with dragon... sort of... but i'v noticed that the two Yonkou that we know the names of have colors in there names as well. RED hair Shanks and WHITEbeard....i wonder if the other two have colors as well i.e. yellow and blue to go with the 4 seas myth also....maybe.......
"

[Seal of Legends]

Meh, Skarlath is the only one making the most sense here. Of course, if this ever turned up as a whole section of the SBS or something, Oda would either brush it off and say it was a coincidence, or actually acknowledge it.

Still, I believe it.

[Ubiq]

Seeing as how the Dragon King of the East is the most powerful Dragon King (at the very least, he rules the largest sea) as well as the White Dragon, wouldn't Sengoku be a more logical choice for that role than Dragon because of his connection with the other Admirals?

Far as the discussion of seasons go, those also apply to the Four Symbols.

[Greg]

The notion for the Chinese Mythological Directions for the Yonkou is interesting but another person in the Vegapunk forums has the better connection concerning the Color Scheme.

I believe the Admiral Connection has a bit of sense to it.

Be amazed as I reveal the "hidden" source of the "deep" meaning behind the Admirals...........again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momotar%C5%8D

[Ubiq]

I like to hear about this sort of speculation myself simply because it gives me a new insight into Chinese folklore even when things obviously don't match up (for one thing, the Four Emperors being representative of the Chinese cardinal directions is flawed because Shanks is from West Blue rather than the South Blue that would match his coloration).

Plus, there's always a chance that Oda started out with a particular idea and then expanded it later when he realized that it fit a larger pattern.

[SmokeBomb]

If the WG killed ace wouldn't that disrupt the balance of powers then? I know that Whitebeard would still be Yonkou, but he'll be pissed and try to take out the WG. Then once Whitebeard beats down WG, then there would be no marines or shichibukai.

I like the idea of the having three great powers, but if one power were to dominate the other, than there would not be a balance. So yeaaah

Also we see that once WG sees one shichibukai down, they try to get another one. SOOO, if one Yonkou was down, would the WG try to get another one?????. So, it doesn't make sense to kill ace or even have a bounty on his head. I'm so confused. I guess we'll wait to see what the WG would do. I'd love to see this great incident that will happen, and hope that would explains a lot.

[Mr. All Sunday]

No it wasn't. It's called "hero water" or something like that. Chapter 196.

Spoiler:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/939/04iq7.jpg
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/196/

By the way, do you think we could see this water in the future? Maybe this water is something very important? Maybe WhiteBeard was using something like that?

I'm pretty sure that whole scene was put in to make Crocodile look like an even bigger asshole.

[skarlath]

I'm pretty sure that whole scene was put in to make Crocodile look like an even bigger asshole.

That sounds like EVERY scene with Croc in it

[Yuugi's Black Magician]

One must wonder if Whitebeard will do anything about Ace's imprisonment.

[Impel Down]

Oh, probably. I mean, he's supposed to come down on anyone that hurts his "children" like hard rain, so hopefully he'll be smashing down some walls and giving us some manly toughness panels.