General 'Four Emperors' Discussion

[Law of the sea]

Eh, Kuma knew about Luffy, Ivankov did not. I would say Kuma was the real right hand man.

Ivankov was in impel down and Kuma was not which means Dragon was not talking to Ivankov and it would be stupid to tell Ivankov just in case the govt had a way to the info out of him when he was on the impel down mission!

[RomanceDawn]

Prison or not no one but a select few knew Dragon and Luffy's relation.

[P1nk]

http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/one-piece/552/2/

From this panel I think Iva knew already.

[Muda Muda no Mi]

Regardless of how long it took Luffy to get from Loguetown to Sabaody, I'm sure the second Dragon "sent" him off @ Loguetown, he eventually mentioned their relation to Kuma, seeing how Kuma already knew of their relationship upon leaving Thriller Bark.

And, I'm willing to bet Ivankov was in Impel Down long before Luffy even started his adventure.

http://www.mangaeden.com/en-manga/one-piece/552/2/

From this panel I think Iva knew already.

I think Ivankov was referencing the fact that Dragon wouldn't want his "other" son Ace to be executed, not knowing yet that Ace and Luffy were not blood-related. He only just found out about Luffy being Dragon's son, and only knew that Luffy was trying to save his "brother" from Impel Down. Ivankov knew nothing of Luffy, so he was only assuming Dragon might've had more than one son (until Luffy corrected him)...

[P1nk]

Regardless of how long it took Luffy to get from Loguetown to Sabaody, I'm sure the second Dragon "sent" him off @ Loguetown, he eventually mentioned their relation to Kuma, seeing how Kuma already knew of their relationship upon leaving Thriller Bark.

And, I'm willing to bet Ivankov was in Impel Down long before Luffy even started his adventure.



I think Ivankov was referencing the fact that Dragon wouldn't want his "other" son Ace to be executed, not knowing yet that Ace and Luffy were not blood-related. He only just found out about Luffy being Dragon's son, and only knew that Luffy was trying to save his "brother" from Impel Down. Ivankov knew nothing of Luffy, so he was only assuming Dragon might've had more than one son (until Luffy corrected him)...

Do you remember a point where Luffy told Iva dragon was his father before that? It's a bit hazy for me at the moment. But. if he hadn't that would show he already knew.

[RomanceDawn]

Do you remember a point where Luffy told Iva dragon was his father before that? It's a bit hazy for me at the moment. But. if he hadn't that would show he already knew.

Yes it was in Impel Down where Luffy told Ivankov, and that was what prompted him to help Luffy escape.

[TheCrystalShip]

Do you remember a point where Luffy told Iva dragon was his father before that? It's a bit hazy for me at the moment. But. if he hadn't that would show he already knew.

LOL, how did you forget Ivankov's reaction? It was hilarious.

[P1nk]

LOL, how did you forget Ivankov's reaction? It was hilarious.

Bad memory haha. I thought he would know from the Ace,Saboady, Luffy flashback I watched recently also.

[Beowulf89]

Ivankov is a leader of the Revolution. Which implies that he's probably something similar to a Division Commander, under Dragon. Remember when Dragon tells Ivankov that it's time to rally the various leaders? His reaction implied that this was something that rarely happened and was noteworthy.

[Pipio]

It's unfair to judge Ivankov's strength based on two fights, those characters obviously he couldn't fight against since he didn't know Haki at the time. His offensive power against non-logia's is pretty powerful, he even blasted away the real Kuma when they fought at the war.

[Beowulf89]

I don't think Aokiji would completely change the ideals he's upheld for the last... I'll guess thirty years of his life, just because a co-worker got the promotion he wanted. Granted, he started a fight and left because he didn't want to work under the guy, but it seems weird to assume that Aokiji would just be like, "Well... that's enough Justice for me. Time to join the army that's tearing down everything I fought to protect my whole life."

I find it more likely that he'll eventually stage a coup and try to remove corruption/excess from the Marines, leading to a civil war between the moderates and the extremists.

[Alpha Presence]

I don't think Aokiji would completely change the ideals he's upheld for the last... I'll guess thirty years of his life, just because a co-worker got the promotion he wanted. Granted, he started a fight and left because he didn't want to work under the guy, but it seems weird to assume that Aokiji would just be like, "Well... that's enough Justice for me. Time to join the army that's tearing down everything I fought to protect my whole life."

I find it more likely that he'll eventually stage a coup and try to remove corruption/excess from the Marines, leading to a civil war between the moderates and the extremists.

It's not just a promotion he wanted. It was absolute justice that Aokiji was trying to fight. I'm sure if a admiral that shared the same views and Aokiji was being put in Sengoku's place he would not have done anything. He knows the World Government is corrupt with Akainu in one of the top positions things are only going to get more violent. Aokiji wanted to change all this and saw it worth fighting for HIS perspective of justice. I think he will change his ideal, he's lost faith in the higher ups of the government hierarchy and he wants to bring those people down.

[Igosuki]

It's not just a promotion he wanted. It was absolute justice that Aokiji was trying to fight. I'm sure if a admiral that shared the same views and Aokiji was being put in Sengoku's place he would not have done anything. He knows the World Government is corrupt with Akainu in one of the top positions things are only going to get more violent. Aokiji wanted to change all this and saw it worth fighting for HIS perspective of justice. I think he will change his ideal, he's lost faith in the higher ups of the government hierarchy and he wants to bring those people down.

I'm betting that, during the final war, one of Luffy's allies will be a fairly large of marines gone rogue including Coby who will see Aokiji as his ideal.

[TonyTheChopper]

I'm betting that, during the final war, one of Luffy's allies will be a fairly large of marines gone rogue including Coby who will see Aokiji as his ideal.

Maybe Akainu will attack Helmeppo because he is anoying or something and then Coby will stop Akainu and try to fight him

[TheCrystalShip]

How is Coby even a marine after what happened? Akainu is now the Fleet Admiral and all... Did he just forget? LOL.

[Drazgoon]

probably, it's not like he cares about every piece of fodder, and once he backed off he might have decided it was a little rash. Not like he cares about every piece of fodder anyways.

[Pipio]

Yes it was in Impel Down where Luffy told Ivankov, and that was what prompted him to help Luffy escape.

Just to add to the topic of why Kuma knew Luffy was dragon's son before Iva knew. It wasn't because Kuma was dragon's right hand since Kuma was undercover working for a marines, so he would have been out of contact with the revolutionaries. Kuma probably found out the same way the entire marine force knew, Garp, once Garp mentioned it at water 7, his underlings told others and it spread.

[CaptainKid]

Kuma wouldn't want to help Luffy if he didn't know of his relationship, it would make no sense. Ivankov obviously didn't know until Luffy told him, thus one of the top 10 reactions in One Piece. I was disappointed that Ivankov didn't have Haki (I thought until Rayleigh explained haki that Ivankov's winks were haki imbued), sense he is a higher up in Dragon's army and Dragon probably has CoC (considering Rayleigh said the biggest names typically have CoC and Garp said "you inherited it too?" when Luffy showed his CoC at Marineford). Ivankov as a fighter seemed kind of weak in comparison to the Commanders of WB's army and considering he is in a group whose entire purpose is fighting the WG he should at least be as strong as a commander IMHO.

Now back to the discussion topic. Do you think Shanks will greet Luffy openly when they meet or will he fight him as pirate? I could see Shanks welcoming him or challenging him because Luffy said he'd have a crew stronger than Shanks' own and Shanks might want to test him. I was going to ask if Luffy could fight a friend at full strength but he fought Usopp so never mind.

[TheCrystalShip]

I was disappointed that Ivankov didn't have Haki (I thought until Rayleigh explained haki that Ivankov's winks were haki imbued), sense he is a higher up in Dragon's army and Dragon probably has CoC (considering Rayleigh said the biggest names typically have CoC and Garp said "you inherited it too?" when Luffy showed his CoC at Marineford). Ivankov as a fighter seemed kind of weak in comparison to the Commanders of WB's army and considering he is in a group whose entire purpose is fighting the WG he should at least be as strong as a commander IMHO.

To be fair, while Ivankov seems to be a pretty strong fighter, I don't think that's Iva's main purpose. Those hormones, especially the healing 'mones and the vigor 'mones, seem way more useful to the Revolutionaries as a whole than Ivankov's fighting strength.

[CaptainKid]

To be fair, while Ivankov seems to be a pretty strong fighter, I don't think that's Iva's main purpose. Those hormones, especially the healing 'mones and the vigor 'mones, seem way more useful to the Revolutionaries as a whole than Ivankov's fighting strength.

Good point. I do think Iva should have haki though being a high ranking revolutionary and/or should have been able to beat Magellan. When Luffy ended up on 5.5, Iva made it sound like he could break out when he wanted, but if that were true then he should have been able to beat or be on par with Magellan. Still he did take on Kuma