Ultimate Time/Event Map of the Grandline!!

[jobebob]

The problem with that statement is that there is nothing that refutes the facts here (although I never knew that about Hogwarts thanks for sharing). Apparently, even the moon phases back up Oda's timeline so far, according to another thread.

Something that someone else stated and was apparently ignored was that if you take into consideration Alabasta's Eternal Pose allowing them to skip at least an island and that Skypeia is a moving island in the sky, the Strawhat's probably moved much farther
ahead than most other people who didn't have an eternal pose or decided to actually go to a sky island.

Well actually you can calculate alot of things. If you want I can give you a rather precise estimate of how fast they are moving based on their sail size. And well once you can do that, you can figure out anything. But applying physics to manga does not really work well.

Also on a side not, I looked up the birthday stuff and it looks as if it does not have anything to do with the plot. Since Oda just made them up in an SBS--hell he even has random people give out birhdays.

I'm sure since it's such a generic word, every one has their own opinion as to what "several" means, but I'm going to follow the dictionary rather than my own opinion on the term since no one here really knows Oda's preference.

Depends which dictionary you look it up on :-) But I agree; no one does know what Oda is thinking. Well I didn't mean all of the breaks were that long, I just meant they could last up to that amount. I think the larger amounts would probably fill the end of the mega arcs.

[ybmc]

Well actually you can calculate alot of things. If you want I can give you a rather precise estimate of how fast they are moving based on their sail size. And well once you can do that, you can figure out anything. But applying physics to manga does not really work well.

Depends which dictionary you look it up on :-) But I agree; no one does know what Oda is thinking. Well I didn't mean all of the breaks were that long, I just meant they could last up to that amount. I think the larger amounts would probably fill the end of the mega arcs.

It also doesn't help that half the boats in this series are fictional types of ships >>;;

Didn't know that dictionaries had differing opinions on the same word, so forgive me for trying to come up with something a little concrete. And I do think that there was a particularly large break during the Skypeia party. I don't know why, but I imagine that days long party to be almost 2weeks long.

[jobebob]

It also doesn't help that half the boats in this series are fictional types of ships >>;;

Actually finding the velocity of even a fictional ship is possible (and just as hard as with a real ship). You can just integrate euler's equation with respect to the sail angle if you can come up with some dP to fit the volume. But I dont think its that easy. You can find your dP using Bernoulli's equation. All you then need to do is find some dimensions and you could get something surprisingly accurate.

P + 1/2rV^2 + gh = C ---> lift force which can be expressed as:
dP/dn = rV^(2/R)

Didn't know that dictionaries had differing opinions on the same word, so forgive me for trying to come up with something a little concrete. And I do think that there was a particularly large break during the Skypeia party. I don't know why, but I imagine that days long party to be almost 2weeks long.

Yea actually my dictionary (oxford) just has a very ambiguous definition:
1)more than two but not many.

[Kibagami]

On the birth dates, I also think it's questionable that a character would celebrate a birthday in a chapter. My opinion is that shonen characters never do that, instead their Mangaka decides to have a time-skip, and the new ages for all characters are announced. That said, the actual age of the characters is VERY important, even though the actual date is BS. In the past, I've posted a thread about the possibility of a timeskip in OP, but to avoid being crucified I'm not even gonna go there. This concerns me greatly because I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT LUFFY TO BE PIRATE KING @ 17yr of age.

Back on topic, I don't think 3 months and 2 months makes that big a difference since both can work. Oda has left the story flexible that way (a genius move, if you ask me, for not digging himself into a hole by leaving certain things vague, while giving fans all the definitive facts to chew on). Like I said in my second post of this thread, the maximum voyage length, with all the "several-day-gaps" considered, is probably around 71 days. If Jobebob had his way, maybe it would be 81 days instead (closer to 3 months). Big difference? Meh...

I think the only important argument in this heated debate is whether or not Oda really has a time frame in mind, and whether or not it's consistent, and affecting the story.

--Starting backwards, I would say it's not affecting the story much. Why? Because most OP fans haven't even noticed it, and the manga is just as enjoyable as it ever has been. So maybe some aspects are less believable; that's entirely up to how you want to read the manga. Like I said, Oda has left some room for flexibility.
--Consistency is a tough one to tackle, and I believe most mangaka fail at it. However, Oda has a great knack at keeping the OP facts consistent. Every arc happens with 2-3 days, and OH SO MUCH HAPPENS EVERYTIME. Like Jobebob said, the routine is the always the same: land on island, discover enemy, fight like crazy, rest/party, goodbye island. If you're concerned about the relationship between time sailed and distance travel, ignore that science crap that Jobebob posted and look at my opinion instead: X)

if they followed their log post all the way who knows how long it would've taken, but from Little Garden on, they were using an Eternal post to Alabasta, effectively cutting a few islands (except Drum). Moreover, they spent some time in the sky!!! Everyone knows that Sky Island is mobile right? I'm not gonna waste my time proving it to you, but ALL the sky islands are presumably flying around on that giant cloud (can't remember the name). It is impossible to tell how far they flew during their time on Skypiea, or what range the Sky cloud covers, but it's pretty indisputable that they flew in the 'right' direction, and it got them pretty damn close to the Redline. Had they actually sailed to all the islands in that range it may have taken A LOT longer.

Finally does Oda have a timeframe is mind? Is everything part of a deliberate attempt to make the voyage length shorter? I think my answer is obvious.

[Dixxy Mouri]

The problem with that statement is that there is nothing that refutes the facts here (although I never knew that about Hogwarts thanks for sharing). Apparently, even the moon phases back up Oda's timeline so far, according to another thread.

First off, you're welcome.

Secondly, that's just the point. Going by what the poster found in the HP books, the small student body makes as much sense as the fan calculated voyage length (at least for the vast majority of the Grand Line). HOWEVER, JK Rowling said something that does NOT match up with the fan calculations. Just as easily, the following scenario could crop up in an interview or an SBS: some asks Oda how long the Straw Hats have been sailing, and Oda gives us an answer that doesn't fit nicely into these fan calculations, or Oda doesn't have a specific time frame in mind.

That's the point I was trying to make. There's fan calculation, then there's figures presented from the author/manga-ka/artist/ect. Even if the fan calculation of Hogwarts student body makes the most sense, it's not what JK Rowling has said (and if you check the comments there was a rebuttle for unbalanced numbers divided amongst the houses but that would be a HUGE discrepancy and to the best of my knowledge was no one ever says "Wow, you got into Gryffindor, there are so few of you" or something to that affect). Even though this time line is very well done all it would take to scrap it is the right SBS question or, say, some kind of comment from a character regarding the length of the voyage or their time spent with Luffy (i.e. Zoro - or to a less effective extent Nami, Usopp, or Sanji - says "I've been traveling with Luffy for ___ weeks/months now").

[ybmc]

I see your point there. So even if this seems more accurate, Oda could just say something else entirely. :O I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that.

[Dixxy Mouri]

I see your point there. So even if this seems more accurate, Oda could just say something else entirely. :O I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that.

Precisely. For now, though, this is probably the most accurate thing we have.

[Greg]

I never said that GL takes place in six months, please don't put words into my mouth. Don't straw man me.

I'm not sure why you keep coming back to that figure then.

Actually it leaves breathing room for ANYTHING.

Yes. It does. I agree with this. I don't know why anyone wouldn't. So long as it's a reasonable figure.

Months maybe not, but weeks, yes. Again don't straw man me.

With the specifically accounted for time, yeah I agree maybe 2-3 weeks.

Again you bring up a moot point because he aint basing it off of yours either.

No, I have no opinion. I only believe what's on paper. And guess what? I just asked a real live Japanese person how much they think 'a few days' or 'several days' is. Their reply?

"Hmm, 2-3 days? About 5 at most."

Want me to keep asking people? I've got a country of 'em surrounding me.

I make it a point never to use my opinion in a canon discussion and when/if I do, I would never use it against an issue that has as much evidence as this does.

While I agree there is not date set in stone for the number of days passed, I certainly don't agree it's much more than what has already been hypothesized.

[chpollastrini]

I tried to put both the lunar theory and this timeline together, but I really don't understand nothing about Lunar phases, so I'll ask if anybody can do the job, cause they seen to confirm eachother pretty well....

[Emperor Time]

It a very impressive timeline.

[Kibagami]

I tried to put both the lunar theory and this timeline together, but I really don't understand nothing about Lunar phases, so I'll ask if anybody can do the job, cause they seen to confirm eachother pretty well....

I was just looking at that thread... Super interesting, but doesn't match with the timeline. In fact it says EVEN LESS time has passed.

The largest discrepancy occurs during the Alabasta arc, which makes sense because it took the most time to sail to out of all GL arcs (about 9 days). On that note, there could actually be a few more days added to this gap since the only evidence for it is this. It's highly possible that they haven't eaten anything since they meet Mr2 (5 days after they left Drum), but there is always a chance they fished something out of the sea.

It should be noted that this could only add another day or two to the travel time since Vivi said it would take more than a week (and less than 2) to get there from Little Garden (ignoring the fact that there's no way she would know cuz she's never been to LG). So I doubt it would take more than 10-12 days to get to Alabasta if it takes less than 2 weeks to get there from Little Garden.

[Kibagami]

I'm sorry about the double post AND bumping my own thread (I swear I'm not an attention whore haha). While looking the "Does all paths lead to fishman island" thread, I may have found an inconsistency in the Travel time between the Island.

In chap154 (right after Chopper joins), we see Mr2's arrival to Little Garden to kill Mr3. Now It's the fourth day (according to my/RZ's timeline) after the crew left LG, and Mr2 left Alasbasta just as the crew left Little Garden. However, Vivi said it would take more than a week to get to Alabasta after one whole day of sailing from Little Garden. Moreover they took 9 days to get to Alasbasta from Drum Island. So, if Mr2 got to Little Garden right after Chopper joined, it would mean that he got from Alasbasta to Little Garden in a little less than 4 days, and BACK to Alabasta around the same time as the crew. The question at hand: does that mean the sailing time is inconsistent or that the Crew spent a lot more time on Drum Island?????

Things to note/questioned:
-Mr2's ship isn't much larger than Going Merry, but it does have paddles.
-on the linked page(chap154, p15) it says "On the other hand" in the box. Stephen's translation uses "But now, to backtrack a bit" instead. Can someone with the proper knowledge get an interpretation of the Japanese text?
-it can be interpreted that the crew ran into Mr2 while he was on his way to kill Mr3, putting them both around halfway between Alasbasta and Little Garden. This makes sense since it is likely that they are both using an Eternal post direct to/from Alabasta to Little Garden, and it also looks like they are heading in opposite directions when heading into the fog of chap 156.
-Regardless of all these points, the fact remains that Mr2 got TO AND FROM Little Garden and Alasbasta between the end of the LG arc and the beginning of the Alasbasta arc.

[Tofu]

You didn't consider the time they spent travelling. I mean, in the ship. Enough to make your theory wrong.

[whaleblue]

I smell some opinions divide here...

why don't you guys open a poll for this thread, so that we know how AP's members feel about the time lines.

Our feeling may be not the fact, but Manga is all about feeling.

why not gather some statistic on this?

[Kma]

You didn't consider the time they spent travelling. I mean, in the ship. Enough to make your theory wrong.

did you actually take time to read the first post?

[AcethePuma]

sorry for bringing this in and don´t flame me for it... i don´t remember the chapters from the manga, but today i watched the farwell episode of merry go, and lufy says "thx for carring us all those years" and merry responds: "i was happy in all thoose years"... before anyone flames me i watched the german episode cause i´m from austria and yeah...i just thought of this thread the moment i heard it...

[Gorlom]

sorry for bringing this in and don´t flame me for it... i don´t remember the chapters from the manga, but today i watched the farwell episode of merry go, and lufy says "thx for carring us all those years" and merry responds: "i was happy in all thoose years"... before anyone flames me i watched the german episode cause i´m from austria and yeah...i just thought of this thread the moment i heard it...

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/430/12/

- Page 218 -

Luffy: Maybe it was better... that Usopp wasn't here to see this...
I don't know... if he could bear the sight.

Zoro: Is he right?

Soge King: Not at all...
The time has come. A farewell between men.
There can be no tears.
He's made up his mind.

Merry: (crackle!)

Luffy: Thank you for all the time you spent carrying us,
Merry.

http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen...chapter430.txt

Think whatever translators did the german anime added the years part on their own.

[AcethePuma]

ok, thx for the quick respond, i wasn´t sure which chap it was in and had no time to look it up, but i thought that it might came from the translator ...

[Roman Zaenom]

Chapter 506 had some interesting information, confirming our theory...

1. Rayleigh still says Gold Roger died 22 years ago. So, it's still the same year as in book 1.

2. Shanks left Luffy 10 years ago AND met Rayleigh at Sabaody still 10 years ago. So it took Shanks less than a year to go from Eastblue to Sabaody. I guess Shanks remained those 10 years in the New World.

[blue-san]

Didnt know either to make a new thread cause I couldnt really find anything similar to the Grand line map title...


http://alinka.deviantart.com/art/Gra...e-Map-87648813



Has anyone have found som other maps of grandline which would ilustrate how it looks like at least so far....




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