Funi TV Discussion (Premieres At Episode 207, May 18 1:00 a.m., USA Toonami)

[firecrouch]

OK, I have a few things I wish to add, even if they have been added already.

1. One Piece is not Sci-Fi and should not be put on to the Sci-Fi Network. Gurrenlagann works because robots are Sci-Fi and going into space is also Sci-Fi. Pirates are not Sci-Fi. The closest thins being Sci-Fi like in One Piece are Franky and Kuma.

2. Nicktoons network does not show Anime. If someone can show me otherwise I would like to see, but to this point I have not seen anything about Nicktoons Network being intrested in showing actual Anime. Any action adventure shows on there that i know about have been American made, but I don't have the channel so I would not know anything recent that has gotten put on there. So if you are going to say that the Nicktoons Network is a place for it to air can you please show me some sort of evidence that the network has any sort of plan to air any actual Anime?

3. Disney XD seems like it could be a place it could be shown, but it is obvious it will be edited. To what degree i am not sure as I have never gotten to see what Anime shown on there is like, but the obvious still is probably true. No blood, no cursing, and not extreme violence. Or nothing imatatable I would guess.

That's pretty much all I have to add. I would say if anywhere Toonami would be the best place but apparently that's close to impossible now, so Disney XD seems the only other place it could go to me.

Nicktoons Network has shown anime, they showed the "Ape Escape" shorts that were originally exclusive to the Japanese "Ape Escape" website, with an English dub and everything. And what does not showing any interest in actual anime have to do with the chances of "One Piece" getting on Nicktoons Network or not? "One Piece" is a cartoon, it fits the core demographic of Nicktoons Network (6-14 year-old boys), there's a rumor that the channel is interested in airing the show, it seems logical to me. So far the only "lack of interest" they've shown in not airing full Japanese series is not actually airing any, that's not really any grounds to doubt they wouldn't be interested. The only thing that would stop them from picking it up is the continued talks between Toei Animation and Cartoon Network and content that could be seen as edgy for what the Nick brand is known for.

If "One Piece" is aired on a mainstream youth-oriented outlet it'll be edited no matter what, that's a given, there's no point in bringing that up. If it would need to be edited to the point where it changes the actual story than that's a problem. If anything "One Piece" would probably have more freedom on Nicktoons than Disney XD, though I don't know how much the content standards would change once Toon Disney makes that transition. It's also good to note that Toei Animation already has a relationship with Disney, what with them airing "Shinzo", "Digimon", and the "Robodz" co-production.

[cbajd5]

Nicktoons Network has shown anime, they showed the "Ape Escape" shorts that were originally exclusive to the Japanese "Ape Escape" website, with an English dub and everything. And what does not showing any interest in actual anime have to do with the chances of "One Piece" getting on Nicktoons Network or not? "One Piece" is a cartoon, it fits the core demographic of Nicktoons Network (6-14 year-old boys), there's a rumor that the channel is interested in airing the show, it seems logical to me. So far the only "lack of interest" they've shown in not airing full Japanese series is not actually airing any, that's not really any grounds to doubt they wouldn't be interested. The only thing that would stop them from picking it up is the continued talks between Toei Animation and Cartoon Network and content that could be seen as edgy for what the Nick brand is known for.

If "One Piece" is aired on a mainstream youth-oriented outlet it'll be edited no matter what, that's a given, there's no point in bringing that up. If it would need to be edited to the point where it changes the actual story than that's a problem. If anything "One Piece" would probably have more freedom on Nicktoons than Disney XD, though I don't know how much the content standards would change once Toon Disney makes that transition. It's also good to note that Toei Animation already has a relationship with Disney, what with them airing "Shinzo", "Digimon", and the "Robodz" co-production.

I actually forgot about this until now, but you reminded me of it, the fact Nicktoons has the rights for making an Ape Escape series of shorts and the fact that the shorts you mentioned are online, but that's only one property which has stemmed from showing short CGI clips to making an american animated series. Here's some stuff about the series they're making anyways. It turns out the shorts actually premired in the English form at some Film Festival held by Nicktoons, and the festival itself was created by the same group making the new Ape Escape series. So yeah, somewhat intresting but does not apply so much to the situation.

THe fact here is they are not airing these for the fact it's anime, or the fact for an action advenutre series. They got something and decided to use what they could while they were making their own stuff. One piece isn't something you would get to only have the rights to use the name and character and story and then remake the entire series yourself, nor is it the type of thing that's being made in shorts for comedic purposes.

Also, the rumour you speak of was started by one post here. Also, the poster has been banned. And it seems unlikely that they would try to start the showing of an anime series with one that has such a troubled past in America. I would say that they would try for something that seems more likely to succeed here.

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YEs, if it did somehow end up on Nicktoones there would probably be more freedom, but only to an extent. If it got as much leeway as Avatar has seems to have gotten there would probably still be no blood and not many imatateable actions, but they may allow some refrences to death, if not directly stated as so. Any sort of religious refrences would obviously be cut and so would any type of swearing. The cuts would probably be worse on Disney. It's just the odd thing with Cartoon Network's airing, in some episodes they seemed to have left in less extremem swears, such as crap, that are still usually not allowed normally in the block. (Movies always seem to be the exception.)

[Sandai Mera]

1. One Piece is not Sci-Fi and should not be put on to the Sci-Fi Network. Gurrenlagann works because robots are Sci-Fi and going into space is also Sci-Fi. Pirates are not Sci-Fi. The closest thins being Sci-Fi like in One Piece are Franky and Kuma.

CN is called Cartoon Network yet can air something like Out Of Jimmy's Head,Zathura, & Jumanji.

[firecrouch]

CN is called Cartoon Network yet can air something like Out Of Jimmy's Head,Zathura, & Jumanji.

Yep, it's all about target audience. Sci-Fi Channel will air "ECW" even though it has nothing to do with science-fiction because it appeals to their core demographic of men in their 30s and 40s.

[firecrouch]

I actually forgot about this until now, but you reminded me of it, the fact Nicktoons has the rights for making an Ape Escape series of shorts and the fact that the shorts you mentioned are online, but that's only one property which has stemmed from showing short CGI clips to making an american animated series. Here's some stuff about the series they're making anyways. It turns out the shorts actually premired in the English form at some Film Festival held by Nicktoons, and the festival itself was created by the same group making the new Ape Escape series. So yeah, somewhat intresting but does not apply so much to the situation.

THe fact here is they are not airing these for the fact it's anime, or the fact for an action advenutre series. They got something and decided to use what they could while they were making their own stuff. One piece isn't something you would get to only have the rights to use the name and character and story and then remake the entire series yourself, nor is it the type of thing that's being made in shorts for comedic purposes.

Also, the rumour you speak of was started by one post here. Also, the poster has been banned. And it seems unlikely that they would try to start the showing of an anime series with one that has such a troubled past in America. I would say that they would try for something that seems more likely to succeed here.

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YEs, if it did somehow end up on Nicktoones there would probably be more freedom, but only to an extent. If it got as much leeway as Avatar has seems to have gotten there would probably still be no blood and not many imatateable actions, but they may allow some refrences to death, if not directly stated as so. Any sort of religious refrences would obviously be cut and so would any type of swearing. The cuts would probably be worse on Disney. It's just the odd thing with Cartoon Network's airing, in some episodes they seemed to have left in less extremem swears, such as crap, that are still usually not allowed normally in the block. (Movies always seem to be the exception.)

I could've sworn reading somewhere that those shorts were originally from Japan. Still, those shorts I saw back during that Nicktoons Festival didn't really look like that concept art.

Just because "One Piece" isn't something that you'd acquire the rights to to make your own production out of or make comedic shorts out of doesn't mean Nicktoons wouldn't air it. Nicktoons Network airs several shows they don't own any copyright to, like "Corneil & Bernie" and "Martin Mystery" and the upcoming Marvel shows, they just broadcast them. I don't see where your argument comes from.

Why does it matter where the rumor came from? Just because it came from one banned member doesn't make it any more or less of a reliable source, GaryPotter wasn't banned because he was a liar. And "One Piece" isn't that "troubled" in America. The entire time it was run on Cartoon Network it got good ratings, and it did even better once FUNimation's episodes started, it just got taken off because of Cartoon Network's unreasonable expectations.

We can't really say what Nicktoons Network will allow based on "Avatar" since that show wasn't originally made for Nicktoons Network, I do know that it has looser standards than the regular Nickelodeon.

[Kitsune Inferno]

I just with that FUNimation (or Toei, in this case) would keep more in touch with the fans about something of this caliber. I don't mean to sound dumb or ignorant, but should it really take this long to secure a TV deal? It's going on five months now and we haven't even gotten the slightest hint of when OP is targetted to return or if at all.

[firecrouch]

I just with that FUNimation (or Toei, in this case) would keep more in touch with the fans about something of this caliber. I don't mean to sound dumb or ignorant, but should it really take this long to secure a TV deal? It's going on five months now and we haven't even gotten the slightest hint of when OP is targetted to return or if at all.

They can't tell us anything if there's nothing new to announce.

[Buuhan1]

Cbajd5's argument is null, considering there was a time when Cartoon Network and other networks had never shown anime. But that sure changed, didn't it?

Also, I wouldn't exactly call Nicktoons Network mainstream, it's an extended cable network (not just basic cable). So a lot of people don't get it.

[firecrouch]

Cbajd5's argument is null, considering there was a time when Cartoon Network and other networks had never shown anime. But that sure changed, didn't it?

Also, I wouldn't exactly call Nicktoons Network mainstream, it's an extended cable network (not just basic cable). So a lot of people don't get it.

Exactly.

I dunno, as far as extended cable networks go Nicktoons Network is pretty mainstream, if not for the fact it's a sister channel of Nickelodeon. If there's any truth to the rumor I heard from GaryPotter on Quexinos' site it's that Nicktoons Network wants more exclusive shows in order to get on more cable providers, and "One Piece" is a pretty good choice considering it already got exposure on two channels more people get and it did well on one of them. And as time goes on and extended cable stays stable it'll gradually get into more homes, and Nicktoons Network already gets into 50 million homes. Question is, how many of those 50 million homes have viewers that are actually part of Nicktoons' target audience?

[ChibiGoku]

I could've sworn reading somewhere that those shorts were originally from Japan.

They were. They aired on Japanese TV, and were mainly Japanese produced. Sony has an entire section on their website for the series as well. There was also a short CGI Movie that premiered at a Tokyo Event. The shorts and movie were released on DVD, but they were on order only at Sony of Japan's site. I was planning on subbing the series, until the DVD we had ended up getting broken, somewhere down the line.

[Jedi Master]

You forgot to mention that people w/ super powers is also scifi (not to mention dinosaurs, big aquatic monsters, and of course pluton, which probably have some kind of anti-matter, or some junk like that)

[Buuhan1]

SciFi: Awesome, his arm stretches. Could you edit that to where it's a retracting robotic arm?

Toei: Will you air it?

SciFi: Fuck yeah!

Toei: ... Fine. Whatever, just take the damn thing.

[Yuugi's Black Magician]

Kids show should air in a timeslot in which kids can watch it.

[ChibiGoku]

Ugh. Seems like the AnimeonDVD thread has become a "It's a Teen show!" "No, it's a kid show!", debate. The whole thing came from the unusual amount of swearing the One Piece dub has...

[Sandai Mera]

Kids show should air in a timeslot in which kids can watch it.

But the kids aren't going to watch it.

[Ao Kiji]

Kids show should air in a timeslot in which kids can watch it.

Kids watch adult swim.
The ones that matter atleast.

Scifi is a whore network. I doubt it has to have a strong science fiction element to air there.

[firecrouch]

But the kids aren't going to watch it.

Sure they will, they've been watching it.

Also, kids aren't the target audience of [adult swim] and Sci-Fi Ani-Monday, "One Piece" should be broadcast where 8-14 year-old boys are the target audience. And there's no way in hell Sci-Fi is going to run an anime as long as "One Piece".

[FUNiOnePiecefan]

Ugh. Seems like the AnimeonDVD thread has become a "It's a Teen show!" "No, it's a kid show!", debate. The whole thing came from the unusual amount of swearing the One Piece dub has...

I agree.

FUNimation is doing so much to different itself from the 4Kids dub, even adding uneccesary swearing in the dub (Don't belive me? Play the DVD with english audio and translated Subtitles and look where there is subs in the english version where there isn't in the subs), therefore 'adultifying' the dub making it seem like a show for teens when, infact, it's just a show for kids.

I blame the cultural diffrences for this argument.

[iMustang]

This may or may not have been said before, but I think it should be aired on Jetx if CN won't do it. The spanish air their dub on it, we can too :P

And as far as content goes, I'm fairly confident that the rest of Skypeia was edited to scale with that oF the CN version. And Jetx has plenty of shows like that they air.

[firecrouch]

Edits are fine, I'd like to live in a world where broadcasting standards aren't so strict and we don't have to deal with needless censorship, but we just to accept that that's how things are. As long as those edits don't change the storyline and keep the spirit of the original version intact than I support it.