General 'Haki' Discussion

[Cyclone_Baroness]

I think it does tame them, I mean the Cerberus at Thriller was one thing but the Kraken and Gigant animals at Rusukaina are completely different animals entirely.

I don't think Haoshoku Haki has just one level of "scaring" but varying degrees. I'm sure Luffy's friend making thing is definitely part of it, because I don't think Akainu would want to tame any Krakens. Like you need to go halfway for it to work properly.

I don't think Cerberus counted lol. He like most of the Zombies just couldn't match up to the "fearless" group. I doubt Haki really had anything to do with it. Animal instinct to just do a the stronger opponent says.

[igetownd]

The one thing we're all sure of is that niether Zoro or Sanji have shown any signs of knowing haki. Thats the only thing we're sure on. So all that what type of haki they will have in baseless. Zoro is not rayleigh he's nothing like rayleigh. Theirs no reason to think he'll have COC. it's not like Zoro is going to pass Sanji up in haki use. Like all the sudden they stop being rivals and Sanji decides to let Zoro have the advantage.

If Zoro leans toward COO and sanji COA than Sanji is going to get his COO up to Zoro's and Zoro is going to train his COA up to Sanji. They will keep this balance up till the end im sure. Only in the fanfic mind of a fan will they be different in strenght.

I can't agree on your post at all. Zoro has been showing signs of Haki ever since he fought Mr. 1. Sanji's fire leg is Haki to me as well.

Before arguing whether they have Haki or not. Let's define Haki: abilities that come from spiritual sources as opposed to physical strength, weapons, or Devil Fruits. By that definition, Zoro and Sanji have Haki.

If your definition of Haki is: abilities specifically demonstrated by Silvers Rayleigh while introducing the concepts to Luffy, then Zoro and Sanji would not have Haki.

I think Oda would follow my definition, because making Haki a specific art form like Rokushiki doesn't match Rayleigh's explanation. Rayleigh said Haki is an ability "no different" from the senses of fighting spirit, perception, and intimidation, which everyone has to varying degrees.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

I still don't really like the idea that the Daz Bones fight was a Haki thing...But ehh. I think Sanji was definitely using Haki when he uses Dijamble or howerver it's spelled because that's just too strange not to be Haki. Although Leg on fire still makes more sense than limb illusion.

[SH-Avenger]

I don't think Cerberus counted lol. He like most of the Zombies just couldn't match up to the "fearless" group. I doubt Haki really had anything to do with it. Animal instinct to just do a the stronger opponent says.

Never said it was haki. :/

But Luffy's ability to make friends, as Mihawk put it, did. I mean it was a Zombie right? I don't think there was animal instinct involved. He just went out and "tamed" it.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

Never said it was haki. :/

But Luffy's ability to make friends, as Mihawk put it, did. I mean it was a Zombie right? I don't think there was animal instinct involved. He just went out and "tamed" it.

I thought you brought that up based on the Haki thing and if it could tame them or not. May have misunderstood.

[igetownd]

It can tame animals too :D

Luffy's friendliness doesn't have anything to do with observation, fighting or intimidation, so no Haki.

It's like saying Shirahoshi's ability is CoC, but it's not, because she doesn't intimidate Sea Kings.

I think "nice" abilities like befriending and communicating are like the opposite side of the Haki "coin", so to speak.
Haki is used for fighting, and this other "ki" is used for making peace and friends.

[I survived the buster call]

The cerebus was "tamed" only so far as it understood that it couldn't fight them and win. It wasn't feeling friendly towards them, and it's arguable that the animals on the island where Luffy trained were more intimidated than friendly as well, lol. The looks on theor faces certainly looked more scared than anything else to me, at least--though I'm happy to see links or pics showing otherwise. I thought that was part of the joke. The only one that got friendly was Surume.

[Monkey D]

The looks on theor faces certainly looked more scared than anything else to me, at least--though I'm happy to see links or pics showing otherwise. I thought that was part of the joke. The only one that got friendly was Surume.

http://i27.mangareader.net/one-piece...ce-2423591.jpg well they look very sad when luffy says good bye to them (with a tear in their eye and all).

[I survived the buster call]

Oh yeah, I recall that page. I guess I misinterpretted it. I won't even post more of what I thought it was when I first saw it, LOL. D'oh! Silly me. Thanks for the correction!

[Fenchurch]

I'd assume that Usopp has the colour of observation haki and perhaps he's developed it over the past two years. It would be incredibly useful for a sniper to have and would perhaps account for his uncanny ability to reach unattainable targets that should be impossible with a sling shot. Also, it'd make him less of a weakling compared to the monster trio, though I may miss his cowardly weeping :)

[Revolution777]

I'd assume that Usopp has the colour of observation haki and perhaps he's developed it over the past two years. It would be incredibly useful for a sniper to have and would perhaps account for his uncanny ability to reach unattainable targets that should be impossible with a sling shot. Also, it'd make him less of a weakling compared to the monster trio, though I may miss his cowardly weeping :)

okay i know he somehow heared Merry voice in enies Lobby First from so far away...But i just can't accept it to be CoO since everyone wants him to stay a Normal Human.

[MasterKingJC]

Well, according to the wiki, every living being has haki. It's just that some are unable to notice it or awaken it.
Usopp would still be considered a normal human, even if he was able to use a little haki.

[RomanceDawn]

Usopp gaining some use of Haki would be pretty natural, especially when people can focus it into projectiles. Nothing different than all humans containing Chi in the real world.

[Myu]

Sovereign Haki... If we go by the logic only the strong willed holds this power. I want Zoro to have it too. And maybe surpass Luffy at that haki line.
I mean, why not? We all know the things Zoro have done and withstand. I actually think Zoro's will power surpasses Luffy's. But he is lacking that Haki DNA anyways so it goes kind of to waste.

It should have been some kind of DNA. By DNA, i don't mean in users' cells literally. But as a some kind of gift that you can't achieve it even if you are more strong willed than CoC users.

[Aohige_AP]

Ramblings of a Zoro fanboy? Unthinkable.

[Urouge]

Lol yeah Zoro surpassing Luffy is pretty out there, to say the least.

I've said for a long time that I expect Zoro to have kingbition, though, and this chapter encourages me.

[Doke no Buggy]

Sovereign Haki... If we go by the logic only the strong willed holds this power. I want Zoro to have it too. And maybe surpass Luffy at that haki line.
I mean, why not? We all know the things Zoro have done and withstand. I actually think Zoro's will power surpasses Luffy's. But he is lacking that Haki DNA anyways so it goes kind of to waste.

It should have been some kind of DNA. By DNA, i don't mean in users' cells literally. But as a some kind of gift that you can't achieve it even if you are more strong willed than CoC users.

I think you are ignoring the things Luffy has done, especially in Impel Down...

[Kishido]

Zoro was the perect candidate for CoC and now he most likely has it. But lol at him surpassing Luffy with it. He still will lean towards CoO most I think

[Brizan]

Well I definitely wouldn't argue against Zoro having more willpower than Luffy, its just who he is. He is the only member of the crew who consistently trains at every opportunity as well as the one whose gone through the most life threatening battles(besides maybe Usopp). I always get the feeling that with luffy its his carefree attitude that everything will turn out okay that makes him push through rather than 'I won't die because I have a dream.' (Oops I rambled off topic)

Anyways I do not think Zoro would ever be able to surpass Luffy with CoC because i feel that CoC depends more one Luffy's carefree strength of not doubting than pure willpower. I say this because of the other characters who use it, namely Hancock who never doubts herself because she firmly believes herself better than all men.

[Coruscation]

After Luffy's feats of willpower through Impel Down and the war I don't see how anyone would think that Zoro has MORE than Luffy. Just... no. Equal, possibly, Zoro at Thriller Bark is not to be taken lightly, but there is no way that he surpasses his captain. I feel that Luffy in moments like this:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-...apter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-...apter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-...apter-208.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2315-...apter-208.html

Is pretty much at the highest level of pure determination and resolve as we'll ever like to see in OP. And I think that's Oda's intention.