General 'Haki' Discussion

[RomanceDawn]

No, we can't. Because that would be utterly ridiculous, and would render Logias completely useless.

Actually everyone has Haki, it just takes time to draw it out. I doubt ALL top tiers have Haki like Croc or Moriah 2 years ago, but the majority of the top tiers must. There is a reason Logias don't just rule the world.

[TheCrystalShip]

Actually everyone has Haki, it just takes time to draw it out. I doubt ALL top tiers have Haki like Croc or Moriah 2 years ago, but the majority of the top tiers must. There is a reason Logias don't just rule the world.

Yes, it is a latent power, but a lot of characters don't use it. Blackbeard, for example. Doflamingo, Kuma, Mihawk.
I understand that Logias can't rule the world, but remember the days when Luffy needed water, or a golden ball?

Now, Logias can't really fight top-tiers. Except Akainu and Aokiji, who can apparently resist Haki.

[RomanceDawn]

Yes, it is a latent power, but a lot of characters don't use it. Blackbeard, for example. Doflamingo, Kuma, Mihawk.
I understand that Logias can't rule the world, but remember the days when Luffy needed water, or a golden ball?

Now, Logias can't really fight top-tiers. Except Akainu and Aokiji, who can apparently resist Haki.

No, your speaking as if Logias lose instantly to a Haki user. It's not a 1KHO if the Haki hit connects, Caribou has been the only exception. Even if you don't think that's what you are saying, that is what you are implying.

Luffy get's a Haki hit from Hancock, it hurts and he's just fine. He get's plenty of Haki hit's from the younger Boa sisters and even shows that just because you have Haki it does not gurantee the outcome of a fight.

So of course Logia's can fight top tiers with Haki(which is probably all of them), only difference is they can not exploit their invulnerability. Kizaru VS Silvers, Aokiji/Crocodile VS Jozu, these examples easily prove my point. It's not as if they instantly get knocked out or their powers become useless, because that is basically what you are saying.

Three of the top tiers in the One Piece Universe are Logia, Haki never meant they had some disadvantage in any way. Especially when they could all use it themselves.

We have no idea about Doflamingo, but Black Beard was the first character in the story to mention Haki as he is able to sense it and it's apparent levels of progression. The dude is an emperor now, not that he needs it, but he's got it no doubt.

Of course we can't be absolutely sure about Mihawk, but his first meeting with Zoro, along with his attacks raining down on Luffy during the war prove to me that he has highly developed CoO.

Yeah I remember the day's of weaknesses, water and rubber. When asked about Eneru running around on the blue sea, Oda said he would not rule the world, and even through Luffy's words, there were plenty of guys who could take him down. I always asked myself how? Does every logia battle have to result in the lucky find of "the weakness" ? I figured there must have been some reliable way to deal with invulnerability powers that most everyone could utilize.

[Pipio]

So since we've seen or heard about 4 people with COC haki and they've all been pirates, who do you think has COC on the marines side?

[MiyamotoMusashi]

My guess is nobody since it´s literally called Conqueror Haki and the marines don´t really conquer or rule anything. Boa is the queen of her country, WB and Shanks rule the NW like Emperors, Roger(i just assume that he had it) was the only captain to conquer the whole Grand Line, Ace was his son and had the potential to do so, Luffy will be Pirate King, Rayleigh same as Roger. Btw, we already know of 6 people who can use Haoushoku, not only 4. If i really have to give a name on marines side who could have it, it would be Coby, probably somewhat at the end of the manga.

[igetownd]

No, we can't. Because that would be utterly ridiculous, and would render Logias completely useless.

They ARE completely useless for top tier defenses. They're useful against fodder.

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So since we've seen or heard about 4 people with COC haki and they've all been pirates, who do you think has COC on the marines side?

Akainu. Quality of a dictator.

[King Cannon]

People with COC tend to be more inclined for adventure, thus, most of them become pirates.

[TheCrystalShip]

If any marine has it, it's Coby.

[Drazgoon]

i'd say the 5 elder stars probably do, since i'm pretty sure they know the true history and probably inform each new FA (akainu now knows), since they are leaders but don't work directly in the spotlight doesn't seem like a reason for me to count them out . Other than that, i'd like to see coby have it. Maybe smoker if he's ever in a tight pinch. coby first though.

[Czechmate]

No, we can't. Because that would be utterly ridiculous, and would render Logias completely useless.

We can probably assume every top tier character has at least some experience with Haki. Seems like New World survival would be terribly difficult without even knowing what it is.

[TheCrystalShip]

We can probably assume every top tier character has at least some experience with Haki. Seems like New World survival would be terribly difficult without even knowing what it is.

Speaking of which, do the other Straw Hats know much about Haki?
I think Zoro, Sanji and Robin have mentioned it. Which means that Mihawk, Ivankov and Dragon told them.

[CaptainKid]

Speaking of which, do the other Straw Hats know much about Haki?
I think Zoro, Sanji and Robin have mentioned it. Which means that Mihawk, Ivankov and Dragon told them.

We don't know if any of the other Strawhats know about haki. We know Sanji, Zoro, and Robin know about it and it was hinted Zoro & Sanji can use CoO haki when they talked about recognizing Caribou off in the castle. The others may know about it but they haven't mentioned anything about it, and we can assume Zoro & Sanji can use possibly use it. The way Zoro says "If he couldn't do at least that much we'd have to find a new captain" makes me think Zoro has CoC (like he's comparing Luffy's ability to his own) much like Roger's first mate did, obviously there is no evidence to support this but it's speculation.

On another haki related note after Luffy stops the execution of Ace at Marineford w/ CoC, Garp says something like "You inherited it also?", which makes me think that Dragon, Garp, and Luffy have it. It also makes me think if your parents have powerful wills then you are more likely to inherit CoC. Ace's father had it so Ace has it, Luffy's father and grandfather or at least one of them seems to have it so Luffy has it. This is more speculation, the only thing I'd say for certain is that either Garp or Dragon or BOTH have CoC because Garp said "You INHERITED it to"

[Waboshi]

1 little somewhat embarrassing question:

What do CoC, CoA and CoO stand for? I have deduced that it's the three haki styles(so to speak).

[TheLaw]

The way Zoro says "If he couldn't do at least that much we'd have to find a new captain" makes me think Zoro has CoC (like he's comparing Luffy's ability to his own) much like Roger's first mate did, obviously there is no evidence to support this but it's speculation.

On another haki related note after Luffy stops the execution of Ace at Marineford w/ CoC, Garp says something like "You inherited it also?", which makes me think that Dragon, Garp, and Luffy have it. It also makes me think if your parents have powerful wills then you are more likely to inherit CoC. Ace's father had it so Ace has it, Luffy's father and grandfather or at least one of them seems to have it so Luffy has it. This is more speculation, the only thing I'd say for certain is that either Garp or Dragon or BOTH have CoC because Garp said "You INHERITED it to"

I think what Zoro meant by that statement is just that he wants a captain with CoC since their captain will be the future king of pirates, he should at least be able to do that.

I bet anyone with the will of D has CoC.

[Drazgoon]

1 little somewhat embarrassing question:

What do CoC, CoA and CoO stand for? I have deduced that it's the three haki styles(so to speak).

color of the conqueror, color of armaments and color of observation.

[CaptainKid]

I bet anyone with the will of D has CoC.

Well Whitebeard had it and he wasn't associated with the will of D. I think CoC people probably have "the will of D" and/or those who have a massive will to live Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Luffy, and I think Zoro. That's why I think he has CoC, everyone who has CoC has shown some will to live past adversity Hancock living past being a slave, Whitebeard being torn apart, Luffy being poisoned and exhausted, then I think Blackbeard has it because he can take massive amounts of damage from Whitebeard and he has the "will of D" except he has shown fear of death unlike others w/ the "will of D"

[AppleSauce]

Saul was a "D" but he didn't have Color of the Conqueror's Haki.

Being a "D" would certainly increase your chances of having Such a power but not necessarily a requirement.
As we have seen Most of the People with Color of the Conqueror's Haki are not "D's".

Rayleigh, Shanks, Hancock, Whitebeard.

and the "D's"

Dragon(Most likely)Roger(Most likely),Luffy, and Ace.

So from this we can deduct that COC isn't something that is necessarily given only from inheritance, It would certainly increase your chances but not a necessity.

I believe Dragon's words give us a view of a type of character who would have such a power.

"Inherited will, the swelling of the changing times, and the dreams of people. These are things that cannot be stopped. As long as people seek the answer to freedom, these will never cease to be!"

Also Whitebeard says something along the Lines as "You may eradicate their bloodline but you will never extinguish their flames, Ace's WILL to will someday be inherited by others."

So my guess is that If anyone we've seen who has a strong sense of Freedom and desire for a Change in the World would most certainly Qualify for this power. However such a power are given to those Strong enough to be able to make a Huge Change or Impact in the World.

If any marine were to have COC in the Future it would be IMO.

Aoikiji
Smoker
Coby

These three have shown signs of the Qualities that qualify them for such a power.

Well we can Cross out AoiKiji from the Marine's now....
Honestly though I don't think any of the Marines would have this power.
I Can't say about the 5 Elder Stars or other WG officials or Kings but;
This power Represents Rebellion and is so far given to those who are enemies of a system that seeks to take away freedom.
That's one of the mains reasons why its Called Conqueror's Haki. A Marine who is a loyal Soldier wouldn't fit to have such a power.

[TheLaw]

I certainly did not say only those with the D have CoC because that's obviously not the case. Read the sentence properly. As for Saul, we know nothing about him or his powers. He is strong since he became a vice-admiral but we won't know whether he has CoC. He does have a strong sense of justice and freedom though. He realized that the marines are not about justice at all and are actually corrupt.

[CaptainKid]

Dragon(Most likely)Roger(Most likely),Luffy, and Ace. So from this we can deduct that COC isn't something that is necessarily given only from inheritance, It would certainly increase your chances but not a necessity.

That was my main point it probably increase your chance isn't a requirement. I do agree with TheLaw that those with the 'will of D' would also be more likely to have CoC. At this point we don't have enough info about CoC or the 'will of D' to know how or if they are related. We don't even know the extent of CoC apart from knocking out people, but when Shanks knocked out WB's crew members he also damaged the ship in the same way but it hasn't been confirmed that CoC can cause things to break or bend to your will. Also the sky split when Shanks & WB clashed which could be caused by CoC. I didn't realize after Rayleigh explained haki how much more info we don't have, god I love Oda.

[Waboshi]

I thought it was as simple as 1 out of 1000 had CoC? That it doesn't have anything to do with your ideals and how you live you life, that's how I understood it anyway.