General 'Haki' Discussion

[Drake]

Exactly, we are not comparing Luffy to normal people but to people in One Piece. And his skin is no tougher than their's.

Read a few of the earlier posts. Clearly Luffy's skin IS tougher than theirs (even when compared to people in One Piece), but not in every situation (in this case, sharp objects).
Certain things that would pierce a normal One Piece character, won't pierce Luffy because of his ability. Like bullets, or the said rokushiki moves.

I still think that rubber skin > normal skin even with sharp objects, or other things that are meant to pierce (IE Bullets, Shigan).

I hate using real life examples, but this is solid...

Long time lurker here :) finally made an account and this is my first post.

About Luffy's so called weakness to sharp attack's i think its like this.
Luffy when not stretched is in my opinion more resistant to sharp attacks since rubber is harder than flesh. What is harder to do? Cutting a piece of meat with a knive or cutting a rubber tire with a knive?

Once again, I'm not trying to say Luffy is completely resistant to sharp objects, I'm just saying that rubber skin is tougher than normal skin.

[Drazgoon]

not really the place for a skin discussion but i've always assumed that the DF gave his body rubber properties, not literally turned it into rubber. Pretty sure i saw someone else post something like this before too.

how Haki can affect it afterwards doesn't mean i'm out of the ballpark, since his body has rubber properties he can still vulcanize (if that's indeed what happened).

[Drake]

not really the place for a skin discussion but i've always assumed that the DF gave his body rubber properties, not literally turned it into rubber. Pretty sure i saw someone else post something like this before too.

how Haki can affect it afterwards doesn't mean i'm out of the ballpark, since his body has rubber properties he can still vulcanize (if that's indeed what happened).

Good point.
If this is the case, then using normal characters skin as a argument/counterargument is no good. Because if it just makes his skin have rubber like properties, then obviously all of the little details are completely unique to him and to him alone.

[Redx]

Exactly, we are not comparing Luffy to normal people but to people in One Piece. And his skin is no tougher than their's.

It depends on who you're talking about. I'm pretty sure that High tiers and top tiers can take more damage than luffy. I'm pretty damn sure akainu without using his DF or haki could take more damage than luffy, unless you guys think Whitebeard couldn't one-shot pre timeskip luffy with the utmost ease.

[Cymelion]

not really the place for a skin discussion but i've always assumed that the DF gave his body rubber properties, not literally turned it into rubber. Pretty sure i saw someone else post something like this before too.

how Haki can affect it afterwards doesn't mean i'm out of the ballpark, since his body has rubber properties he can still vulcanize (if that's indeed what happened).

It's rubber - if he had not been turned into rubber then Enel would have had a lot more fun with him.

[MasterKingJC]

Luffy is, in fact, 100% rubber, all the way down to his cells.
But his body still (kinda) operates the way a normal human does, i.e. he can still sweat, he can still heal from wounds, his nervous system and circulatory system still work the same. Except he's rubber.

[YouDNewb]

It's rubber - if he had not been turned into rubber then Enel would have had a lot more fun with him.

Thats not entirely true, if something has the properties of rubber it will act the same way as rubber does, e.g. not conduct electricity.


But can we please stop talking about how Luffy's fruit works in the Haki topic? mainly because my questions about Haki got completely ignored

[Cymelion]

Thats not entirely true, if something has the properties of rubber it will act the same way as rubber does, e.g. not conduct electricity.
But can we please stop talking about how Luffy's fruit works in the Haki topic? mainly because my questions about Haki got completely ignored

You know else what has all the properties of rubber .... rubber >.>

Arguing that Luffy's body is basically a rubber version of skin is arguing that Mr 1's power is turning his skin flat and sharp like metal but not. We're not dealing with things that need some actual physical explination or real world examples.

In one piece physics work how Oda wants them to work - if that means lining up with real world examples great - if that means throwing all posible explinations out the window except his own which he wont tell you just yet - it's his world to make that.

Luffy's skin is actual rubber up until the time Oda specifically shows it not to be - of course it's rubber that seems immune from melting ...

[I survived the buster call]

We don't disagree. I called it a "weakness" because he's not anymore weak to it than other people but in relation to his own ability it is one. Luffy isn't more vulnerable to sharp objects than Sanji, but he is immune to blunt force while Sanji gets hurt by both, so in that sense sharp objects is a weakness.

I was talking to Drake, and telling HIM that he and I disagreed. Not you. I actually used your post to state my position, since you said it well and there seemed no real reason to rewrite it. :-)

I wasn't trying to prove my point... (blah blah blah)

LOL. I see--You weren't trying to prove your point. I can understand why, given that you'd have 15 years worth of canon material to take on and disprove if you did. No worries--as far as I'm concerned, this conversation is over.

Thats not entirely true, if something has the properties of rubber it will act the same way as rubber does, e.g. not conduct electricity.

All this aside, I believe Oda stated in a really old SBS that Luffy is indeed completely rubber, exactly as MasterKingJC stated. I'd get the link but I need to hit the hay so I can work tomorrow without falling asleep. :-) Its here on the AP site though--I'm sure someone will dig it up for you eventually.

But can we please stop talking about how Luffy's fruit works in the Haki topic? mainly because my questions about Haki got completely ignored

Yes indeed--a very good point, and I must apologize since I feel I am partially responsible for the thread derailing. Why don't you restate your haki question again, for ease of answering, so save folks the trouble of going back to look for it?

[YouDNewb]

A question about Luffy's CoA:

We have seen him name when he uses it for some attacks, but have we seen him name it when he has used it in a defensive manner? the only time i can remember him using it in defence other then when he got bit was to block a roundhouse kick by Hody. In reference to both times I don't remember him saying the "Armaments; hardening" thing he says when doing elephant gun etc.

Oh and do people think he keeps up his CoA all the time like the "invisible armor" and then when he uses attacks e.g. elephant gun. he concentrates the CoA (if possible) into his fist in order for it to be even more effective?

Theres my question again, hopefully it changes the recent discussion of the thread back to the joy that is known as Haki.

[Redx]

LOL. I see--You weren't trying to prove your point. I can understand why, given that you'd have 15 years worth of canon material to take on and disprove if you did. No worries--as far as I'm concerned, this conversation is over.

Seriously? You gave a bad example. I was pointing out why it didn't help your cause. Why would I have to disprove 15 years of canon material? I never stated anything that was contrary to the canon.

[CaptainKid]

not really the place for a skin discussion but i've always assumed that the DF gave his body rubber properties, not literally turned it into rubber. Pretty sure i saw someone else post something like this before too.

how Haki can affect it afterwards doesn't mean i'm out of the ballpark, since his body has rubber properties he can still vulcanize (if that's indeed what happened).

I'm pretty sure is body is actually rubber I mean if it stretches like rubber, vulcanizes like rubber, bounces like rubber, and insulates against electricity like rubber then it must be rubber. Also is the whole reason he can do Gear 2nd because his heart is rubber and thus can take the extreme pumping of blood throughout his body? Since this is the haki thread, I'll end on a haki note: When Shanks is on WB's ship and his presence actually damages the ship is that from CoC or CoA (because it was noted to be his haki that was damaging the ship)?

[DemonX]

Since this is the haki thread, I'll end on a haki note: When Shanks is on WB's ship and his presence actually damages the ship is that from CoC or CoA (because it was noted to be his haki that was damaging the ship)?

The way it was portrayed it seemed to be caused by his CoC, which leads to myself asking what else one could do with CoC, aside from letting much weaker people lose conciousness (splitting the sky etc. :D)

[CaptainKid]

The way it was portrayed it seemed to be caused by his CoC, which leads to myself asking what else one could do with CoC, aside from letting much weaker people lose conciousness (splitting the sky etc. :D)

Yeah that's what I was thinking. It would seem useless for people with CoC to only be able to use it to take out fodder. The idea of it being able to dominate weak people along with the sky and physical object's really makes more sense considering it's CONQUEROR's (or KING'S disposition). I hope it gets explained (which it will) but I'm impatient.

[Zeifyra]

Theres my question again, hopefully it changes the recent discussion of the thread back to the joy that is known as Haki.

If I recall correctly, Luffy doesn't name his CoA when he uses it for defense. He also used it before Hody was about to bite him, but it didn't do much. I don't think he keeps it up all the time because that would be a lot of concentration...He just uses it when necessary.

[Kubihige]

I always wonder how a CoO battle would go. Is it just predicting back and forth until one person can't predict fast enough? Or does CoO also let you prevent others from predicting you and whoever's is stronger can predict better?

[Pipio]

It would only make sense for Luffy to name any CoA defense if it was unique and could be repeated, like if he used Haki while doing his balloon move to shoot back cannon balls/bullets at his enemies.

Is kinemons fire style a haki move or do you think it's DF related?

[YouDNewb]

It would only make sense for Luffy to name any CoA defense if it was unique and could be repeated, like if he used Haki while doing his balloon move to shoot back cannon balls/bullets at his enemies.

Is kinemons fire style a haki move or do you think it's DF related?

I think its just related to his swordsmanship. But we do know he has CoO

[TheCrystalShip]

I think its just related to his swordsmanship. But we do know he has CoO

He has never exhibited CoO before... Why would he have that? LOL.

[Coruscation]

He said that he could "sense [Zoro, Luffy, Robin and Usopp's] auras" when they first met the dragon. Sensing auras/presences/lifeforces/whatever = Color of Observation. EDIT: sorry, it was a little later in the fight. When Zoro ran to meet him.