General 'Haki' Discussion

[Xylo]

Why would thick scales Give you the ability to catch on fire? Am I missing a link here or something?

[Darkstorm]

I'm pretty sure it's just a devil fruit ability.

[Xylo]

You mean the abilty given to all snakes of setting on fire.

[Darkstorm]

No, I mean because it pretty much twins the strongest attack of her sister.

Although thinking back that actually seems more like life return then anything else.

[Kishido]

You mean the abilty given to all snakes of setting on fire.

That's why the other Boa sister was feeling pain after being burned by the flames

[Jim13ei]

Yeah I think that marigold and her setting on fire has really to do with Haki and it would explain why Sanji isn't burning himself. Sanersonia was burned from the fire. I think it is cuz of her different Haki.

Maybe Sanji has the same or similar Haki to Marigold and Zoro may have the prediction Haki of Sandersonia

[*Meh*]

Sanji's legendary heat resistance comes largely from a lifetime spent in the kitchen. Go back and review his dialogue with Pearl in vol. 7.

[Zkaiser]

Sanji's legendary heat resistance comes largely from a lifetime spent in the kitchen. Go back and review his dialogue with Pearl in vol. 7.

And Oda said that it was his heart.

You wanna know what else lies in the heart?

Hidden:

Ambition

[UsoppSpell]

The word is "Kingbition".

Learn this.

[brennen.exe]

The word is "Kingbition". Learn this.

Odd. You aren't even using your own term and mixing up another? It should be "willforce". "Kingbition" is what Luffy and Hancock have.

[igetownd]

I used to think (by way of grandeur delusions) that Spirit can make you Godlike and invincible, but now that I see powerful people in weak circumstances, I believe that it's limited use. The same goes as well for super-strength. Rayleigh is a superhuman when he uses his Spirit, but he had to be rescued by a little Hachi. I'm thinking that his will and endurance was drained by being adrift on the sea, so he became helpless. Roger makes an example as well. If he had been in his full Spirit, his body would be impenatrable (although I'm assuming the executioners were using regular blades and the executioners aren't super). However, without putting in his will, his body is just a human's. There were also times when Luffy got hurt by relatively weak attacks, and seemed to get pushed around easily, but when he goes full-power... we know what happens. It's as if their Spirit and Strength have to be summoned, rather than strong people automatically having it.

DF's are obviously different. Logias (and Marco) are normally invulnerable, and some paramecias are invulnerable to some attacks. Zoans don't get any protection, but their strength and endurance are dramatically increased. I'm also thinking that Logia invulnerability is limited also by mental stamina and endurance. For example, Aokiji can't live in a vulcano without feeling fatigued, and in his fatigued state, he won't have the power to let attacks pass through him.

[*Meh*]

You wanna know what else lies in the heart?

Hidden:

Ambition

LIES!! Willforce and Kingbition wouldn't fit in a human's tiny heart, even if it could stretch like rubber! The only thing that lies in someone's heart in OP is

Hidden:

Sniper Island

[Zkaiser]

I used to think (by way of grandeur delusions) that Spirit can make you Godlike and invincible, but now that I see powerful people in weak circumstances, I believe that it's limited use. The same goes as well for super-strength. Rayleigh is a superhuman when he uses his Spirit, but he had to be rescued by a little Hachi. I'm thinking that his will and endurance was drained by being adrift on the sea, so he became helpless. Roger makes an example as well. If he had been in his full Spirit, his body would be impenatrable (although I'm assuming the executioners were using regular blades and the executioners aren't super). However, without putting in his will, his body is just a human's. There were also times when Luffy got hurt by relatively weak attacks, and seemed to get pushed around easily, but when he goes full-power... we know what happens. It's as if their Spirit and Strength have to be summoned, rather than strong people automatically having it.

DF's are obviously different. Logias (and Marco) are normally invulnerable, and some paramecias are invulnerable to some attacks. Zoans don't get any protection, but their strength and endurance are dramatically increased. I'm also thinking that Logia invulnerability is limited also by mental stamina and endurance. For example, Aokiji can't live in a vulcano without feeling fatigued, and in his fatigued state, he won't have the power to let attacks pass through him.

[igetownd]

I try to ignore Zkaiser's post, but something is REALLY bugging me.

Who is that and where is he from?

[dreadcutlass]

Knowing Rayleigh I think it was more something like him getting drunk and falling into the water while passed out or something. I could totally see that happening since he seems kinda carefree and all.

Though I don't think you can say Rayleigh or Roger are just regular guys. Even without Haki they are probably really strong. To be able to compete in the NW you will need both awesome physical strength as well as heart/mind strength to a point it can be used as a weapon.

[wintergt]

The boa sister that set herself aflame used matches so it's completely different from Sanji. Also yeah her sister couldn't take the fire so it's probably tied with her particular zoan DF.

[igetownd]

Rayleigh isn't carefree. He's the most uptight member on the crew (remember the flashback?). He did get drunk, but the way he acts is less like a carefree guy and more like a person with an irreversible regret. He puts on that face of a great man, but he's just masking sadness.

Remember when Kuina died, and Zoro's master noted that humans are really frail. I still think that holds. Haki doesn't make one invincible, just amazing.

Take note how Zoro and Luffy get their strength. It varies depending on how they're feeling. They're able to release the power in their hearts to give them strength. Take note of how the weaker Strawhats are, they're full of uncertainty and worry, because they can't summon their courage. It's always blocked because of a concern.

[dreadcutlass]

Rayleigh is pretty carefree he walks around from place to place gambling and drinking. I don't really see what he could regret he couldn't save Roger since he had a terminal illness something he couldn't prevent. Now if it was something he could stop and was unable to that is another matter.

But look at Zoro he lifts huge weights and even threw a building back in the Alabasta arc. That is from pure brute strength no Haki. If you think people need Haki just to be strong then how in the world was Luffy doing crazy things before. He is only manifesting his "kingbition"( lol thought I'd try it out) now.

To reach the summit you need to be superhuman without Haki and then have the bonus of Haki to push you into the top tier.

[igetownd]

What Rayleigh feels regret about is not Roger, but the truth about the state of the world. It has to do with the Rio Poneglyph. Also, gambling and drinking are exactly the things a person does when he's forced to live in secrecy and take up a craftsman's job. If he were truly carefree, he'd go around the world being a hotshot.

About Luffy and Zoro's strength: Although it's true that Zoro trains by lifting weights, but Luffy, who is stronger, and Sanji, who is about the same strength, don't train at all. What matters in this world seems to be the attitude and mental strength one has when faced with difficulty. The physical strength is not the same as the "ambition" that Shanks, Rayleigh, and Luffy pulled off. Physical power is performed using the body, and "ambition" is a mental ability.

[Kishido]

The boa sister that set herself aflame used matches so it's completely different from Sanji. Also yeah her sister couldn't take the fire so it's probably tied with her particular zoan DF.

I didn't mean how she catched fire...

I mean that she has a resistance to fire like Sanji as she isn't burning herself.