General 'Haki' Discussion

[wintergt]

I didn't mean how she catched fire...

I mean that she has a resistance to fire like Sanji as she isn't burning herself.

Then why didn't her sister, who also has haki, have this resistence?

[Kishido]

Then why didn't her sister, who also has haki, have this resistence?

different types of Haki. We know there is the king haki so why not. The other sister was able to preict Luffy's movement and not as the other who was able to block and negate Luffys DF

[Zkaiser]

What Rayleigh feels regret about is not Roger, but the truth about the state of the world. It has to do with the Rio Poneglyph. Also, gambling and drinking are exactly the things a person does when he's forced to live in secrecy and take up a craftsman's job. If he were truly carefree, he'd go around the world being a hotshot.

About Luffy and Zoro's strength: Although it's true that Zoro trains by lifting weights, but Luffy, who is stronger, and Sanji, who is about the same strength, don't train at all. What matters in this world seems to be the attitude and mental strength one has when faced with difficulty. The physical strength is not the same as the "ambition" that Shanks, Rayleigh, and Luffy pulled off. Physical power is performed using the body, and "ambition" is a mental ability.

Luffy isn't physically stronger than Zoro.

[Kishido]

And you know that from?

Zoro throw a house... Luffy pushed two big buildings apart. Well seems pretty even

[HaxeyeMihawk]

Luffy and Zoro are probably equal in physical strength with Luffy having equal or slightly higher combat ability to Zoro.

[wintergt]

different types of Haki. We know there is the king haki so why not. The other sister was able to preict Luffy's movement and not as the other who was able to block and negate Luffys DF

So the boa sister has the "fire resistant haki" but lacks the "ignite fire on whole body haki", while Sanji has the "fire resistant leg haki" and the "ignite fire on leg haki".

Like, really?

[Kishido]

So the boa sister has the "fire resistant haki" but lacks the "ignite fire on whole body haki", while Sanji has the "fire resistant leg haki" and the "ignite fire on leg haki".

Like, really?

What are you bubbling. Sanji just spin around to creat the heat. It his his technique? Sandesonia just put herself on fire.

And I don't care about the move itself... Just about her resistance of fire. A lof of people are confused cut Sanji doesn't feel the pain himself.

And if we know that the sister is matching herself without feeling pain and she is using Haki why not?

But you seem too simple-minded to realize that both sister have different types of Haki.

[Warfare]

I still want Sanji's Diable Jamble and Garp's fist of love to be left out the hole Haki thing, I don't want Oda to feel the necesity of explain everithing with logic as I don't want Haki o be the key to all the mysteries in One Piece...I'm happy knowing that Sanji's technique can't burn his feet cause "his heart burns hotter" and Garp (Or Nami) can hurt Luffy just because they love him...

Mantra and Rokushiki can count on Haki related however...

[HaxeyeMihawk]

So the boa sister has the "fire resistant haki" but lacks the "ignite fire on whole body haki", while Sanji has the "fire resistant leg haki" and the "ignite fire on leg haki".

Like, really?

More than likely Marigold was using a form of tekkai, earlier in the thread Brennen said that he thinks that the rokushiki techniques may have haki origins, same as mantra from skypeia.

[Kishido]

Maybe... But Tekkai wasn't able to resistance to Sanji's heat.

I just talk about that Sandersonia wasn't feeling any pain as matching herself up like Sanji.

[HaxeyeMihawk]

Maybe... But Tekkai wasn't able to resistance to Sanji's heat.

I just talk about that Sandersonia wasn't feeling any pain as matching herself up like Sanji.

It could've been an improved form, the original thing is usually better than a copy, hell even Rob Lucci's tekkai couldn't take a jet bazooka as well as Marigold did.

[RomanceDawn]

So the boa sister has the "fire resistant haki" but lacks the "ignite fire on whole body haki", while Sanji has the "fire resistant leg haki" and the "ignite fire on leg haki".

Like, really?

I get where Kishido is coming from and i'm with him/her on it. Oda said Sanji doesn't burn himself because his passion burns hotter. Hahahaha, its seemingly a joke answer, but it very well could be his spiritual ambition.

The big sister could somehow resist the fire she made with the matches, doesn't seem to crazy that somehow her deflective abilities go hand in hand with that.

And the fact that it has been very openly questioned why can Garp bypass Luffys devil fruit defenses, you can bet it has something to do with his spirit/Haki/Ambition of love!

[wintergt]

And if we know that the sister is matching herself without feeling pain and she is using Haki why not?

But you seem too simple-minded to realize that both sister have different types of Haki.

Yes there are different types of haki, I never said any different. But Oda typically makes it clear what they are doing, by having the characters show and talk about their power. "you can't hit me" - "I can read your moves", etc. Why can't it just be the scales of this particular snake that are fire resistant. It was even a named technique called "salamander", maybe she just practiced it.

Everything is being tied to haki, while it shouldn't - I mean it could be, but until it is confirmed somehow, I doubt it.

Rayleigh: pretty much confirmed haki, same as shanks.

Sentoumaru: he has haki like the denizens of Amazon Lilly and he could negate Luffy's DF ability - it wasn't really confirmed in the manga, but it was confirmed in the anime which I think Oda has some say in.

Fist of love: maybe he has haki, maybe a DF, maybe it was a gag?

Rokushiki: this was just martial arts, I don't see why this has to be haki. I mean Coby could do soru aswell, is he a haki user now aswell? I thought the amazons said almost noone outside of their island knew how to use haki.

mantra: this was tied in with the ability to "hear things", not necessarily haki, even though it has a similar effect. But I doubt Sandersonia (or was it Marigold) can hear everything that happens on Amazon Lilly aswell, so it's probably a different thing.

[Kishido]

Yes there are different types of haki, I never said any different. But Oda typically makes it clear what they are doing, by having the characters show and talk about their power. "you can't hit me" - "I can read your moves", etc. Why can't it just be the scales of this particular snake that are fire resistant. It was even a named technique called "salamander", maybe she just practiced it.

Everything is being tied to haki, while it shouldn't - I mean it could be, but until it is confirmed somehow, I doubt it.

Rayleigh: pretty much confirmed haki, same as shanks.

Sentoumaru: he has haki like the denizens of Amazon Lilly and he could negate Luffy's DF ability - it wasn't really confirmed in the manga, but it was confirmed in the anime which I think Oda has some say in.

Fist of love: maybe he has haki, maybe a DF, maybe it was a gag?

Rokushiki: this was just martial arts, I don't see why this has to be haki. I mean Coby could do soru aswell, is he a haki user now aswell? I thought the amazons said almost noone outside of their island knew how to use haki.

mantra: this was tied in with the ability to "hear things", not necessarily haki, even though it has a similar effect. But I doubt Sandersonia (or was it Marigold) can hear everything that happens on Amazon Lilly aswell, so it's probably a different thing.

But matching her-/himself on fire without feeling any pain IS strange and it could be explained that way. I don't say for eversthing but Sanji's Diable is always letting the people say how stupid it is cuz he should burn himself

[wintergt]

But matching her-/himself on fire without feeling any pain IS strange and it could be explained that way. I don't say for eversthing but Sanji's Diable is always letting the people say how stupid it is cuz he should burn himself

Well apparently Oda explained this as "his passion burned even hotter". In the One Piece world, not everything goes as in (our) the real world. Zoro loses gallons of blood and survives, people fall from sick heights and survive - here first and foremost Usopp comes to mind (in Alabasta and Enies Lobby, to name two occurences) - not only does he survive, but he's back on his feet a second later as if nothing happened. Zoro can throw buildings. Rob Lucci can punch with the strength of 200 marines.

So yeah, if Sanji can spin so fast that his foot is set ablaze (isn't normally possible either), then maybe he can withstand it too for a while.

[Kishido]

Well for me it haven't to be Haki to be honest cuz like you said... many things aren't explained and not logical.

But most people say Daible Jambe sucks cuz there isn't an explanation... It's sad we haven't a lot of explanations even for Asura we haven't one

[HaxeyeMihawk]

Yes there are different types of haki, I never said any different. But Oda typically makes it clear what they are doing, by having the characters show and talk about their power. "you can't hit me" - "I can read your moves", etc. Why can't it just be the scales of this particular snake that are fire resistant. It was even a named technique called "salamander", maybe she just practiced it.

Everything is being tied to haki, while it shouldn't - I mean it could be, but until it is confirmed somehow, I doubt it.

Rayleigh: pretty much confirmed haki, same as shanks.

Sentoumaru: he has haki like the denizens of Amazon Lilly and he could negate Luffy's DF ability - it wasn't really confirmed in the manga, but it was confirmed in the anime which I think Oda has some say in.

Fist of love: maybe he has haki, maybe a DF, maybe it was a gag?

Rokushiki: this was just martial arts, I don't see why this has to be haki. I mean Coby could do soru aswell, is he a haki user now aswell? I thought the amazons said almost noone outside of their island knew how to use haki.

mantra: this was tied in with the ability to "hear things", not necessarily haki, even though it has a similar effect. But I doubt Sandersonia (or was it Marigold) can hear everything that happens on Amazon Lilly aswell, so it's probably a different thing.

1. Fire resistant snake scales is retarded (since when does any snake have fire resistant scales?) and it was already pretty much confirmed that she was using haki to strengthen her blows and for blocking attacks whereas Sandersonia's attacks were normal but she had haki mantra. 2. Coby used soru only, which is a technique that has been said in this thread to be purely physical, not a haki rokushiki related technique. However tekkai, imo life return (Kumadori's hair control was similar to Sandersonia's and Marigold's) and others are haki related it seems.

If you want to know opinions of rokushiki and haki search for Brennen, Urouge, Vanessa's and my posts in this thread.

[wintergt]

1. Fire resistant snake scales is retarded (since when does any snake have fire resistant scales?) and it was already pretty much confirmed that she was using haki to strengthen her blows and for blocking attacks

It was her "salamander" technique that she trained for. We have seen a lot of people in the course of the series use peculiar techniques. It's quite a stretch to start explaining all of them with haki suddenly. That ramen noodle cook in the sea train used "ramen haki" perhaps? Usopp uses "immortality haki" to survive all the mortal blows he has endured? Or maybe we just have to take all these techniques, such as Sanji spinning and turning and setting his foot on fire, with a bit of shounen logic?

Also, the specific haki techniques they used were explained. That they can deflect attacks, read attacks, empower a weapon or blow, etc. No need to invent more than that.

whereas Sandersonia's attacks were normal but she had haki mantra.

Mantra is different, it has to do with the ability to hear things. Like how that little girl could hear all the voices of people on sky island. Maybe it has to do with haki, but there is no indication to it so why don't we just stick to the explanation Oda gave at the time.

2. Coby used soru only, which is a technique that has been said in this thread to be purely physical, not a haki rokushiki related technique. However tekkai, imo life return (Kumadori's hair control was similar to Sandersonia's and Marigold's) and others are haki related it seems.

If you want to know opinions of rokushiki and haki search for Brennen, Urouge, Vanessa's and my posts in this thread.

I've read enough to know I disagree. Rokushiki is just martial arts. If Oda later states it ties in with haki, fine I'll accept that. But there's no proof now. Why the need to make up stuff when Oda has given a "one piece world" explanation. When there's haki involved, like with Shanks or Rayleigh, it's been made pretty clear.

[HaxeyeMihawk]

It was her "salamander" technique that she trained for. We have seen a lot of people in the course of the series use peculiar techniques. It's quite a stretch to start explaining all of them with haki suddenly. That ramen noodle cook in the sea train used "ramen haki" perhaps? Usopp uses "immortality haki" to survive all the mortal blows he has endured? Or maybe we just have to take all these techniques, such as Sanji spinning and turning and setting his foot on fire, with a bit of shounen logic?

Also, the specific haki techniques they used were explained. That they can deflect attacks, read attacks, empower a weapon or blow, etc. No need to invent more than that.


Mantra is different, it has to do with the ability to hear things. Like how that little girl could hear all the voices of people on sky island. Maybe it has to do with haki, but there is no indication to it so why don't we just stick to the explanation Oda gave at the time.


I've read enough to know I disagree. Rokushiki is just martial arts. If Oda later states it ties in with haki, fine I'll accept that. But there's no proof now. Why the need to make up stuff when Oda has given a "one piece world" explanation. When there's haki involved, like with Shanks or Rayleigh, it's been made pretty clear.

As I said read the thread, Oda also likes to connect the dots so it's doubtful that rokushiki and douriki were self contained elements that were only for Water 7 and EL. Then as I said it was shown that Marigold was using haki, there was a panel right before Luffy tried to stamp Marigold that showed the zoom in of her eye which has been the telltale for haki usage, and what happened? Luffy's stamp was repelled right off of Marigold not quite like tekkai but very, very similar. Now it's very obvious that the 2 strongest warriors (other than Hancock) on an island that specialises in haki would use haki heavily, they even made a point to say that Luffy was weak because of a lack of haki usage. Then considering that we saw Marigold rely heavily on haki and that her haki technique added weird defensive abilities it's not much of a stretch to assume that she could use it to protect against fire as she showed later, plus again on a haki using island it would make sense that her special move uses haki don't you think?

And mantra was obviously being linked to what Sandersonia was doing unless you think Oda would pointlessly make another move prediction ability, when the 1st one was never fully explained.

[wintergt]

Whenever haki was being used and we didn't know what happened, Oda has always been dropping not too subtle hints that something strange was up. Think Sentoumaru "huh there is something strange about his techniques" "why can he hit me even though I am rubber?". Rayleigh also did a bunch of things that baffled everyone "how did he do that?".