General 'Haki' Discussion

[pwnobi]

Haki talent can be awakened at birth

I know Rayleigh said that it's dormant in all creatures, but why do you say for some it's "awakened at birth." Furthermore, you state it like it's a fact. Source?

Here's where it's explained, I don't think there is any mention of how people come to obtain the "dormant" power of Drive.

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/98271344/12

[Warfare]

I know Rayleigh said that it's dormant in all creatures, but why do you say for some it's "awakened at birth." Furthermore, you state it like it's a fact. Source?

Here's where it's explained, I don't think there is any mention of how people come to obtain the "dormant" power of Drive.

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/98271344/12

Aisa/Aisha was supposedly born with kenbunshoku haki (Observation/Mantra)

[Zik]

Is it the general consensus in here that all of the SHs have to learn haki after the time skip or by the time the manga is done?

[Maju]

Enel did manipulate his mantra with his powers, your first sentence makes no sense. Your saying he did but he didn't because of his devil fruit powers. That in itself is the manipulation, he used his devil fruit powers to extend his mantra abilities. That's why he had the"biggest ears" in skypiea. Same goes with your admiral explanation contradicting yourself again. They set up a stronger defense together by manipulating their busoushoku haki together to be strong enough to block WB's quake. There is no "in the future we will see", it already happen we just wasn't sure what the hell was happening until we finally got our haki explanation. Kind a obvious since haki is consider a power in one piece like devil fruits. I don't think any of the six forms rokushiki techniques are haki so I'm with you on that their definite martial arts, but some applied haki on them, that doesn't mean they aren't Rokushiki techniques anymore haki just a added bonus like a devil fruit power. Zoro was definite haki, Rayleigh said the only affective way to fight devil fruit users is through busoushoku. Zoro showed signs of both mantra and busoushoku fighting Mr.1.

he didn't manipulate his haki,he used is DF, it's really different.it's like if you put a man with an incredible hearing ability beside a man with a normal hearing capability.They both uses the same "power",the same capacity of perceive vibration in the air..but one can hear more than the other,but he didn't perceive vibration in a different manner.
for the admirals matter..I don't understand what kind of "manipulation" is to put your spirit shield at full force in front of you,it's exactly the same busoushoku that rayleight showed,but with 2 hands and at full power..no "manipulation" involved.
talking about zoro,his ability to cut through steel is NOT haki.He didn't cut Mr 1 steel because it comes from a DF ability,he cut because IT'S STEEL,and with the "breath of things" he can cut steel.If was based on "haki against a devil fruit",zoro would not be able to cut normal steel with his swords,because normal steel don't came from DF...but zoro CAN now cut steel,he even used "shishi sonson" against kaku and his "steel/iron body" tecnique,because he was confident that it's power can cut steel,normal steel,and tekkai users are hard like real steel.Busoushoku it's needed to attack DF ROGIA users,because their body have not consistency,you have to force them to turn back to their original body...mr 1 was not a logia and not "intangible",you "just" have to pierce his hard armor ,but if you can cut steel,you cut his body.
last but not least,if haki was used in some of the rokushiki,lucci would been able to strike Luffy with his shigan,instead of been blocked by luffy's gom-gom ability

[pwnobi]

Aisa/Aisha was supposedly born with kenbunshoku haki (Observation/Mantra)

I know that everyone is born with it, but could she use the abilities at birth? If so, then I guess that is the evidence I was requesting.

[huron]

remembering the glorious days when just an afro was enough for a powerup

[Maju]

I know that everyone is born with it, but could she use the abilities at birth? If so, then I guess that is the evidence I was requesting.

we don't know if it's born with it,but she said that she have it as long as she remember

[pwnobi]

we don't know if it's born with it,but she said that she have it as long as she remember

Actually, we do know she's "born with it," we just don't know if she could use it / control it / whatever at birth; I would assume not.

[Maju]

Actually, we do know she's "born with it," we just don't know if she could use it / control it / whatever at birth; I would assume not.

she couldn't even control it at the current time

[baby-boo]

I wouldn't rely on Luffy to explain anything to anyone. If asked about it, his response will probably be "It's a mystery power! Sanji, FOOD!" More than likely the crew will pick up on it (with Zoro and Sanji awakening it without meaning too like Luffy) as they progress through the New World.

When it comes to power, specially his own, I don't think he would say "mystery power". He seems to have understood it, and was thinking about past enemies that had used it. He only got en explanation, but now he will be spending 2 years learning how to use it.

If they won't know, they will wonder why Luffy is able to hit Logias, and why Luffy was hurt by Sentomaru or something before. Luffy could explain. Brook wondered why Rayleigh was able to hit him.

[Wh@ck5Ter]

rokushiki in my opinion has zero relation to haki.........it is all about the body and strengthening the body in most aspects.....all in a manner suited to combat efficiency....is all..........haki is about a person's personality,mindset and need in life......

[Nycprodigy]

Is it the general consensus in here that all of the SHs have to learn haki after the time skip or by the time the manga is done?

This one wud be more accurate

[UsoppSpell]

Foam coming out of mouth is an age-old expression in manga and other Japanese liteature, very common for over half a century, to show someone passing out. It can be from fear, pain, or disease.
It can also be from continuous unending pain like oh I dunno, your skull cracking.

If you say so, since my fully read mangas can be counted with my fingers, I'll defer to you on the foaming thingy as a general rule, since I wouldn´t know.

However, denying that it´s use seems more specific in this manga to certain scenarios, I don´t know, skepticism and tacky sarcasm aside can you seriously not find some reason to what I'm saying?

What I'm saying is not unreasonable. Rayleigh said that KH intimidates, does the only possible way to intimidate absolutely have to be from a distance and with little to no effect on anyone with a name besides Jango?

[DaeJi]

remembering the glorious days when just an afro was enough for a powerup

The afro is too broken; Haki gives the bad guys a chance. Besides, situational power ups are a staple of One Piece. The crew gaining new abilities isn't going to alter that.

It better not.

[leosukita]

Is it the general consensus in here that all of the SHs have to learn haki after the time skip or by the time the manga is done?

nah, only the hope my fav SW will have haki thinks so
my point is that by now only ruffy sanji and zoro will learn
maybe more SW learn with the time, but not them all.

If you say so, since my fully read mangas can be counted with my fingers, I'll defer to you on the foaming thingy as a general rule, since I wouldn´t know.

However, denying that it´s use seems more specific in this manga to certain scenarios, I don´t know, skepticism and tacky sarcasm aside can you seriously not find some reason to what I'm saying?

What I'm saying is not unreasonable. Rayleigh said that KH intimidates, does the only possible way to intimidate absolutely have to be from a distance and with little to no effect on anyone with a name besides Jango?

when aohige say so, you bow and thanks

If you think the conqueror haki is under used think this
they call a buster call, you shout your haki them will be left only the VA and
a few captains,
Ray-san most likely calibrate his haki otherwise camie and nami would faint
Shanks faint dozens of WB man, the only showm ok were the captain
I think it`s not something that would give You the edge in a battle
but it's related with the person ability to surpass dificults and luffy case
to make friends by the respect he conquer.
The foam it self is like aohige said, you can see thousand of people
that faint by haki without and thousand that faint by other causes with
so we can not use dis as hint to predict if haki were or not used

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece...4/page005.html shanks faint and foaming evybody
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece...3/page018.html some foam other not, like that

[grunk]

The sky people could just have evolved the part of them which you need to train for haki, so it's much more common to them. Perhaps Oda did this as native americans are said to be more inherently more spiritually adept to the natural world, or "one with nature."

[Aaronrules380]

King's Haki seems to be a battle of wills. I think that even if someone isn't knocked out by it, if their willpower is still weaker, I think it'll "weigh them down" and make fighting more tiresome

[Warfare]

I know that everyone is born with it, but could she use the abilities at birth? If so, then I guess that is the evidence I was requesting.

Sorry, my bad, i forgot that every living thing is actually born with Haki, i tried to said that Aisa was able to unconsciously use mantra "ever since birth".

[pwnobi]

Sorry, my bad, i forgot that every living thing is actually born with Haki, i tried to said that Aisa was able to unconsciously use mantra "ever since birth".

It's all good, you made a good point. Thanks.

[UsoppSpell]

when aohige say so, you bow and thanks

If you think the conqueror haki is under used think this
they call a buster call, you shout your haki them will be left only the VA and
a few captains,
Ray-san most likely calibrate his haki otherwise camie and nami would faint
Shanks faint dozens of WB man, the only showm ok were the captain
I think it`s not something that would give You the edge in a battle
but it's related with the person ability to surpass dificults and luffy case
to make friends by the respect he conquer.
The foam it self is like aohige said, you can see thousand of people
that faint by haki without and thousand that faint by other causes with
so we can not use dis as hint to predict if haki were or not used

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece...4/page005.html shanks faint and foaming evybody
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece...3/page018.html some foam other not, like that

I think you don´t get how a forum works. If a person knows more than you then you are respectful towards them, but you are not a total pussy bitch like the new frail fucks that emerged this year, all wishy washy suckups who can´t post well to save their lives. Grow a spine.

This is how it works. If a man has infinîtely superior cultural understanding and immersion into said culture than yourself, you'd be foolish to believe you could spot something he didn´t. This is why I ask. I don´t tell. There´s been foaming on certain key moments that, if one didn´t judge by that extra information Aohige has over us westerners, it would seem to indicate a relation. I´m checking to see if I'm wrong. Now go away. Your evidence is excrement.

King's Haki seems to be a battle of wills. I think that even if someone isn't knocked out by it, if their willpower is still weaker, I think it'll "weigh them down" and make fighting more tiresome

This is kinda what I meant. I think it would be very appropriate for this manga.