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Thread: A Study of One Piece Animation

  1. #5341

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropper View Post
    I'd love to make more, unfortunately I'm having trouble finding old RAW files.
    Why don't you use HorribleSubs/Crunchyroll videos?

  2. #5342

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    Quote Originally Posted by imperioonepiece View Post
    Why don't you use HorribleSubs/Crunchyroll videos?
    I need previous opening sequences which were updated for both the home video release and stream.

    For Dressrosa a string of 3 episodes (679 to 681) are uncut only for the home video release, the stream shares the same footage as the broadcast. From 862 on there is no moving blood up until 689 when blood comes from Ucy's mouth after being attacked by the Doffy clone.

    In a specific scene during episode 690 after Dellinger attacks Suleiman, he licks his lips but there is no blood. Both versions are the same but seems odd comparing with the manga. I think the animators would told to tone it down, though the anime doesn't include much flying blood a lot at time anyway. The outcome may have been the same.

    What's really strange is that 40 episodes later (721) there is just one shot that is different that shows less detail to what remains of Law's severed arm, you could argue that it looks less graphic on the home release and it makes no sense why it edited. If it isn't censorship, maybe they forgot to save the episode's project file correctly? lol

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    Y'know I just noticed this re-watching the newest episode but Yusuke Isochi's style seems to be the successor to how Eisaku Inoue drew the characters. The oval like shape of the faces an way he draws the eyes gave me that impression.
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  4. #5344

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    Speaking of old Raws, can anyone find good HD raws of opening 6 from TV broadcast? There's an animation retake that was lost in the home media versions.

    TV Broadcast: @0:54 Nami approves gives an OK sign and Sanji dances with hearts. Chopper falls out of the tent like a spaz.


    DVDs, Crunchyroll, Funimation, etc: @0:54 Sanji remains bowed for the entire scene and Nami sits up slightly. Chopper was never seen again.
    Last edited by Shakidna_; April 24th, 2017 at 05:28 PM.

  5. #5345

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    This is when you can really tell Toei has been messing around with filters, couple of things to note:
    - 3D animation frame rate doesn't match 2D, causes blurring on ships.
    - There's no filter on Sunny when the opening first airs, which means the ship has the old color palette?
    - Filter is placed over 'ONE PIECE' at the very end so you can see how bland it makes the anime to this day.

    We rarely get to see a natural black so yeah it ends up looking less vibrant. http://i.imgur.com/4h2xXze.png http://i.imgur.com/5g2eBzU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/A9PC4cy.jpg

    Any experts know if and when Toei changed the frame rate for rendering the show? I vaguely remember something happened between Thriller Bark and Marineford, episiodes that are upscaled look much better in full HD. I'm not sure if a change in production had anything to do with this.

  6. #5346

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropper View Post


    This is when you can really tell Toei has been messing around with filters, couple of things to note:
    - 3D animation frame rate doesn't match 2D, causes blurring on ships.
    - There's no filter on Sunny when the opening first airs, which means the ship has the old color palette?
    - Filter is placed over 'ONE PIECE' at the very end so you can see how bland it makes the anime to this day.

    We rarely get to see a natural black so yeah it ends up looking less vibrant. http://i.imgur.com/4h2xXze.png http://i.imgur.com/5g2eBzU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/A9PC4cy.jpg

    Any experts know if and when Toei changed the frame rate for rendering the show? I vaguely remember something happened between Thriller Bark and Marineford, episiodes that are upscaled look much better in full HD. I'm not sure if a change in production had anything to do with this.
    So, the new color palette is just a filter?

  7. #5347

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    They use is a new color palette (timeskip) for all the characters, but my theory is that they add a filter on top of all that too. If the information I'm going by is correct then they still upscale animation from 720p but they do so differently (still trying to figure out when the switch took place), which means another filter makes all the outlines and edges softer when upscaled. Compare the two Robin images above.

    So three things: color palette, contrast and brightness, upscaling.

  8. #5348

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropper View Post
    They use is a new color palette (timeskip) for all the characters, but my theory is that they add a filter on top of all that too. If the information I'm going by is correct then they still upscale animation from 720p but they do so differently (still trying to figure out when the switch took place), which means another filter makes all the outlines and edges softer when upscaled. Compare the two Robin images above.

    So three things: color palette, contrast and brightness, upscaling.
    It's definetely interesting. I have noticed everything seems a lot more brushed out after the timeskip. Good example: http://imgur.com/a/gL3I9

    Although it may just be me, it seems the color palette has become more crisp and resembles pre-timeskip more since the start of the Wholecake Island Arc. I don't know if the change in staff has resulted in this, but it's definetely a possibility.
    Last edited by Jakisuaki; April 25th, 2017 at 08:29 AM.

  9. #5349

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    The fishman Island screenshots and many other can't really be compared because they're using intentional blurry filters for being underwater/in darkness/etc. Toei didn't do that so much before the timeskip but yeah it contributes to the whole change of aesthetic..

    Since WCI the color palette has changed slightly, it looks more vibrant, it's extremely hard to tell but yes I think they went for a color scheme between what they had before and after the timeskip. Blacks still aren't as dark as they should be so that indicates they're still using a filter of some sort. WCI looks more bright as a whole and the art so far is fantastic, in general they've went for a wider variation of colors for everything.

    EDIT: http://imgur.com/a/9cVB3

    Here's a comparison of HD streams, not from broadcast. Someone on this forum specifically said that even after the show went widescreen you still can't get better than DVD.

    In HD it's a mixed bag. Much of the time the backgrounds are in full 1080p quality with details that you wouldn't see on DVD. However the character animation itself can take a beating and become pixelated when upscaled because it was drawn at a lower resolution, look at Luffy vs Lucci for example above.
    So yeah Toei are rendering these straight from project files which is great for preservation, they could release these in 4K if they wanted, but of course the problem is that items drawn in the software will eventually go above their intended resolution and then more and more pixelation becomes apparent.

    You can see from the images what the black used to look like for characters hair, also the difference of upscaling methods between Impel Down and Marineford that gave everything a soft blur.
    Last edited by dropper; April 25th, 2017 at 09:49 AM.

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    Anyone know what I'm comparing and the differences you see?

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