Zoro vs. Hancock

[bevin]

Because many of the attitudes here suck, and for the sake of the story, I want to see Boa do something awesome and NOT just be a token crappy female, because that would be a lame waste of time, more akin to Naruto's misuse of its female cast.

As much as I dislike Hancock, I agree with what you've said here. I don't dislike her because she's a woman, I dislike her because of how she's been handled so far in the story. Because to me she has not done one interesting thing, or possess one trait that I don't find irritating or just downright insulting. And she had to potential to be incredibly cool and badass, but instead she's this ball of cliches and stereotypes, and it makes me mad that she exists in this story at all. Personally, I would love it if she did something cool, and I would love it even more if she developed an actual personality outside of the shallow ice queen/blushing schoolgirl dichotomy that just seems like Oda's phoning in. She is not interesting to me on any kind of personal level, and from what we've seen presented so far, she hasn't done anything to earn what she has outside of being beautiful and having a fortuitous (and uniquely limited) devil fruit ability. I would be thrilled to pieces if that changed, but until I see it, I'm sticking to my disappointed irritation with her.

[shinpanman]

Ok, I'll bite. I like how hater-haters always assume people dislike Hancock for being weak and female, when it's actually because she has a sucky personality and is insulting to females.

For me it wouldn't matter one jot if she tore a ship in two next chapter.

[lelandlancaster]

Ok, I'll bite. I like how hater-haters always assume people dislike Hancock for being weak and female, when it's actually because she has a sucky personality and is insulting to females.

For me it wouldn't matter one jot if she tore a ship in two next chapter.

I agree so much. If it was revealed that Hancock is in fact stronger than the combined strengths of all the Yonkou, Shichibukai and the Admirals, I'd still think she was a disgustingly disappointing character to women everywhere.

[Captain Shmeckie]

Agreed with Shinpan, and I love Chrissie's GIF!

Jane - Tiff - Collie - 3rd - Senior
Mark - Patti - Labrador - 1st - starters
Ruth - Jago - Dobermann - 4th - Novice
Terry - Kelly - Alsatian - 9th - Senior

Btw why are we doing riddles? :X

Your emoticon cookie, good sir:

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[HaxeyeMihawk]

Ok, I'll bite. I like how hater-haters always assume people dislike Hancock for being weak and female, when it's actually because she has a sucky personality and is insulting to females.

For me it wouldn't matter one jot if she tore a ship in two next chapter.

Idk being a bitch who can fight and own people who has a soft spot for Luffy beats being a bitch who has nothing but crap heart powers. I think if she does start whooping ass she'll become more popular. Besides none of her bad qualities are the ones that tick me off like a typical, useless, damsel in distress, to me Boa can be the biggest bitch she wants as long as she has the powers to back it up.

It's kinda funny that people take her bad qualities so seriously when as of late she has been acting more normal, and before her bad qualities seemed to be quirks done for comedy/parody, I mean come on how could anyone take that crap seriously when she's kicking baby seals?

[RobbyBevard]

she had to potential to be incredibly cool and badass, but instead she's this ball of cliches and stereotypes, and it makes me mad that she exists in this story at all. Personally, I would love it if she did something cool, and I would love it even more if she developed an actual personality outside of the shallow ice queen/blushing schoolgirl dichotomy that just seems like Oda's phoning in.

Yup. For a character with such lengthy screen time and importance, there hasn't been a whole lot there yet.

Ok, I'll bite. I like how hater-haters always assume people dislike Hancock for being weak and female, when it's actually because she has a sucky personality and is insulting to females.

it's not an assumption. I don't feel like hunting through old threads looking for particular posts right now. But, it has come up a LOT, in ADDITION to her personality issues.

Maybe I'll backtrack and look through her tourney threads in a minute, there's not too many pages to go through there

I agree so much. If it was revealed that Hancock is in fact stronger than the combined strengths of all the Yonkou, Shichibukai and the Admirals, I'd still think she was a disgustingly disappointing character to women everywhere.

It would visually end the "Her powers are all cliche girly hearts" and solidify her position as BELONGING in the Shichi in one shot, and establish she isn't ENTIRELY based around her looks but actual combat ability, which is one of the worst things against her right now, amplfying what's already a bad cliche with her primadonna personality.

Its implying that she's less than other characters of her same rank, that she only got there because of her looks, as some have implied in negative campaigning. I so, SO want that to NOT be the case.

Fleshing out the personality and growing from whats there, and slowly ditching the ice queen facade while ALSO toning down the over the top in love comedy bits... will take longer and have to be done gradually.

I hated Usopp for the longest time, and now he's my favorite due to the growth and change and insights we got into his personality over time that peeked through the facade he put on.

I realize its a shonen manga, but I'm tired of the female characters *always* being sidelined and weaker and more shallow, just because they're female.

But then, along with death, a bit of sexism seems to be creeping in as one of Oda's weakness. Between the Robin bondage, Nami near rape, Cindry servitude... and god, the Nami/Kalipha fight was one of the absolute worst things the series has ever done...

it boils down to, if Boa is going to be in the series for any length of time, she needs to be much better than she is right now, and I hope Oda can deliver on that eventually.

[Captain Shmeckie]

Idk being a bitch who can fight and own people who has a soft spot for Luffy beats being a bitch who has nothing but crap heart powers. I think if she does start whooping ass she'll become more popular. Besides none of her bad qualities are the ones that tick me off like the damsel in distress, to me Boa can be the biggest bitch she wants as long as she has the powers to back it up.

It isn't that she's bitchy. It's that she's a huge sexist stereotype with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. At least people like Enel and Crocodile had cool and badass points to make people like them, despite the horrible horrible things they did.

[Chrissie]

I don't really dislike Hancock and I am quite indifferent towards her right now, but I do see where Hancock haters come from. I also can see why Hancock acts like a bitch most of the time (breaking the statue the children made for her was uncalled for though :[) as it's her 'defence' (which was dropped rather easily for Luffy...ahem...we'll blame it on wuv) but we've seen other female characters with tragic pasts and they don't act as bitchy as she does. I am not saying she should be the same as those characters but I would find her much better if she didn't act so arrogant. I am still waiting to see more of her character but I sure as hell ain't impressed from what was shown till now.

Thanks Shmeckie! O:

[wintergt]

Hancock is the "icequeen waiting to defrost". I mean, her arrogance has been so over the top, how can you even take it seriously? She looks down on people so much she looks up? She tells everyone repeatedly she can do whatever she wants because she is beautiful? Cute animals keep being placed in front of her feet just for her to kick? Get it..

[RobbyBevard]

Eh. I went and backtracked after all. From the Hatchan vs. Hancock thread, pretty early in. Shinpaman and Shmeckie respectivley.

What you don't understand is Hancock is not fanservice in the physical sense alone. Her entire character is fanservice. She could have been one of the strongest and most compelling female characters in One Piece yet but instead she's a fragile little girl hiding behind a bitchy exterior who essentially becomes a teenage boy's love slave. She's not a character, she's a fantasy. That really just stomps all over the female characters in One Piece that are actally worthwhile.

Hear-hear! And to add my own slice of wisdom, I may again add that the woman does not belong amongst the Warlords! She has probably the most gimpable power in all of One Piece, with a completely one-note schtick, while the other Warlords are human freakin' gods with versitile uses for their power. She's among the strongest swordsman in the world, an island-crushing cyborg, a master of trickery and an army of shadows and undead minions, a guy that controls gravity and disables all Devil Fruit power, a guy that just straight-up takes control of your body, and up until recently, a frikkin' Logia master!

As I have said before, she's the Raditz of the Shichibukai.

Really, REALLY hope Oda adresses and fixes these glaring flaws in her character. She has a looooot of redeeming to do. Put her on the powerhouse level WITHOUT sexy attacks is the first, easiest step. So far, the only things we've seen from her ARE the sexy attacks, so we can't judge anything else. Having a few abiltiies not tied to her looks will go a long way.

A nice big nasty scar on her cheek or something like ruining her beauty would help her character growth in a hurry. It doesn't help that so far BOTH of her personalities have been opposite ends of the cliche spectrum.

Hancock is the "icequeen waiting to defrost". I mean, her arrogance has been so over the top, how can you even take it seriously? She looks down on people so much she looks up? She tells everyone repeatedly she can do whatever she wants because she is beautiful? Cute animals keep being placed in front of her feet just for her to kick? Get it..

It *is* over the top, and I hope thats intentional and will become less of a thing. I just... don't want Oda to fail this badly with such a major character. I want him to be using these blantant stereotypes as a starting point and then turn them on their head, like he's done with so much other stuff.

We'll see, I guess.

[Kaizoku Mele]

You destroyed the whole amazing scene with posting it with dubs...

Should I have posted 4kids?

[HaxeyeMihawk]

It isn't that she's bitchy. It's that she's a huge sexist stereotype with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. At least people like Enel and Crocodile had cool and badass points to make people like them, despite the horrible horrible things they did.

Which is why I think that if she owns as I'm sure she will, people will turn their opinions around. Seriously her younger sisters who are obviously weaker than her are strong so it fairly obvious that she is too, especially with her haoshoku/kingbition/ w/e. Thing is that people say she's a stereotype but yet I look at it as her not being a dumb, oblivious, blonde bimbo who ends up getting whatever she wants unintentionally because men want her and she's oblivious. No see when Hancock does it, it's because she has the smarts to use her god given assets, it's not like she's even bending over or stripping for men, she bats an eye and gets what wants that shows she has an aggressive personality contra to the stereotypical, soft spoken booby Orihime beauties of other mangas. If anything she shows herself to be a smart survivor who rose from slavery to being an Emperess and basically tells everyone that she's gonna get w/e she wants due to her beauty. She has Nami like tendencies except her aim isn't just money.

So I agree with Robby that all it'll take is her owning to turn it around.
Now true stereotypical characters to hate are those like Marin from DBZ and at times Orihime from Bleach.

[Captain Shmeckie]

Getting to the top via your looks isn't exactly empowering...

[HaxeyeMihawk]

Getting to the top via your looks isn't exactly empowering...

That's not the point, what she did to get to the top just shows she has a bitch personality. Seriously if someone offered you a million dollars just to bat your eyelashes, not take your clothes off or bend over slowly, who honestly who wouldn't take advantage? People need to remember she was a slave who likely was taken advantage of and made to serve, she's simply treating herself and relishing in the stupidity of others to make up for it.

Plus she's llikely the strongest currently known female in OP and even though many hate that she fell for Luffy, atleast it was because he was an understanding, nice person, not some stereotypical prince charming. Or worse like Alvida, who fell in love because he hit her... look at that message, yikes!

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

lots of panties in a twist in here

[Captain Hypersock]

lots of panties in a twist in here

Most likely Hancock's?

[HaxeyeMihawk]

This is freaking Zoro, no shame in any character losing to him, he excretes epicness. Just the usual Hancock hate and stereotype talk gets annoying when to me she seems more like the dangerous, beautiful sorceresses from Conan rather than your typical fanservice manga ditz.

[Kaizoku Mele]

it's not like she's stripping for men

yeah, her outfit speaks for itself in that area.

[HaxeyeMihawk]

yeah, her outfit speaks for itself in that area.

her outfits don't show much more than Robin's old plunging neckline tops, hell all the kuja dress similarly, this is still a manga what should she wear? What a business suit and granny panties? Again I think she was inspired by the sorceresses from Conan the Barbarian, including her dress.

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

This better not go down the boobs road of discussion