Enel vs. Ivankov

[Sakonosolo]

Oda said he likes Eminem. And Snoop Dog. What a strange person.

Plus Enel has an AFRO. Automatic cool points.

[Urouge]

Who doesn't like Snoop Dogg? What isn't to like?

[Captain Shmeckie]

Who doesn't like Snoop Dogg? What isn't to like?

How much time do you have?

[Urouge]

You don't like Snoop Dogg? I guess I'll probably never understand you, Shmeckie.

[Wagomu]

Yes, the world of manga is just crawling with self-religious zealots with powers based on stereotypical Christian God traits (though coming from various abilities stacked on each other) with visual references to Buddha, a character from a Chinese folktale, and an American rapper, all while possesing vast mechanical knowledge, the ability to smelt metals, and whose dream it is to live on the moon.

Yep. Dime a dozen.

His entire shtick is:

"HAHA I am God, I'm better than you and everything belongs to me!"

Replace deity with any position of status or power and you get a very generic villain type.

Besides, Roger Zelazny's religion-based characters and stories dwarf Enel easily.

[Sakonosolo]

[Captain Shmeckie]

lol no

His entire shtick is "I am God, and as God I must perform my divine duties. Land in the sky?! Blasphemous! It must be destroyed! But, hell, I'll have some fun before the smiting begins. These people are below me, let's make a game out of their fight for survival! Okay, play time's over, time to do my duties as God and fly off to the promised land."

Generic villians tend not to fall asleep mid-fight, turn war into a literal game, and build flying ships to go live on the moon.

By your logic, every single villain OP has had has been generic.

[Wagomu]

lol no

His entire shtick is "I am God, and as God I must perform my divine duties. Land in the sky?! Blasphemous! It must be destroyed! But, hell, I'll have some fun before the smiting begins. These people are below me, let's make a game out of their fight for survival! Okay, play time's over, time to do my duties as God and fly off to the promised land."

That all really falls under what I said. "I can do whatever I want because I'm better than you!"

Generic villians tend not to fall asleep mid-fight, turn war into a literal game, and build flyign ships to go live on the moon.

That's just painting a character. Look at Naruto's villains. You can say for Sasuka that "Normal villains don't burn everything with a black flame that comes from their eyes" but that doesn't make him any less generic. Besides, resting mid fight is a VERY common trait amongst villains who think that they're that much stronger than others, turning people's fights into a game is a fairly generic trait for villains who think they are untouchable and Enel's ship thing doesn't have much to do with his character.

By your logic, every single villain OP has had has been generic.

I do think that a lot of villains in OP are a tad generic, but at least some of them show some depth.

[Captain Shmeckie]

I know you're the artsy-fartsy type and all, but if you're going to write off Enel's truckload of quirks and unique methods and motives so you can write him off as generic, then I can only weep for you.

Enel didn't just rest mid-fight, he took a nap. And still won. While napping. He didn't just toy with lives, he literally made games of their lives. Complete with rules, winners, etc. He didn't drop them into some game, either, he took a war of independence, and decided, "what the fuck, let's make this fun."

And his ship does count for his character, because he designed it himself. How many villains like him also are mechanical geniuses, along with everything else?

And just to add the icing to the cake, he's a villain who gets a happy ending, after goofing around on the moon, fucking up space pirates just for crashing his ride, and becoming lord of a lunar kingdom of tiny, cutesy androids who love him and depend on him for survival.

[TokageMoria]

Lets Go Ivankov Fans We Need 27 More Votes!

[Gokudera]

This is sad. Iva should definitely win. He/She is closer to being a god figure than Enel. They say we're supposed to be made in God's image, men and women included, so God is more likely to be okama! That would also make him awesome.

Sorry i'm a little late to the party.

[Wagomu]

Enel didn't just rest mid-fight, he took a nap. And still won. While napping.

That's exactly the generic behavior I mentioned. It's the same exact attitude in 90% of "I'm better than you" villains to give themselves such limitations to make the opponents feel worthless. Some let characters take a free shot or two, some just decide to do nothing. Then they still win, displaying the gap in power

He didn't just toy with lives, he literally made games of their lives. Complete with rules, winners, etc. He didn't drop them into some game, either, he took a war of independence, and decided, "what the fuck, let's make this fun."

Lots of villains just have fun watching while they turn emotional battles into games for their amusement. If it says anything about his character, it just puts him in the position of the villain that turns the battle into a tournament (whether they are the promoters or players). That's been in many manga and series and continues to do so.

And his ship does count for his character, because he designed it himself. How many villains like him also are mechanical geniuses, along with everything else?

Quite a few, actually. Lots of villains in American comics in particular are fond of building complex machines and traps for whatever purpose they desire. All building a ship says is "look at me, I'm building a ship!"

And just to add the icing to the cake, he's a villain who gets a happy ending, after goofing around on the moon, fucking up space pirates just for crashing his ride, and becoming lord of a lunar kingdom of tiny, cutesy androids who love him and depend on him for survival.

Having a happy ending says nothing about his character and more about his disposition. Besides, just about every villain in One Piece gets a happy ending.

[Urouge]

Hey, neither of you guys are going to change the other person's mind. Just agree to disagree and move on.

[Johnnay]

Besides, just about every villain in One Piece gets a happy ending.

Don't really care about the rest, but I have to say that made me think of Wapol instantly.

[Gokudera]

That's exactly the generic behavior I mentioned. It's the same exact attitude in 90% of "I'm better than you" villains to give themselves such limitations to make the opponents feel worthless. Some let characters take a free shot or two, some just decide to do nothing. Then they still win, displaying the gap in power



Lots of villains just have fun watching while they turn emotional battles into games for their amusement. If it says anything about his character, it just puts him in the position of the villain that turns the battle into a tournament (whether they are the promoters or players). That's been in many manga and series and continues to do so.



Quite a few, actually. Lots of villains in American comics in particular are fond of building complex machines and traps for whatever purpose they desire. All building a ship says is "look at me, I'm building a ship!"



Having a happy ending says nothing about his character and more about his disposition. Besides, just about every villain in One Piece gets a happy ending.

Tell that to Kuro,Arlong,Spandam,Sadi,Mr. 9,Ms. Monday and the priests.

[Wagomu]

the priests.

At least for this, you have Gedatsu.

[Gokudera]

At least for this, you have Gedatsu.

A retard who probally messed up the whole Spa business by now.

[Wagomu]

A retard who probally messed up the whole Spa business by now.

Who knows? Maybe he already forgot how to be unhappy.

[Sanji The Cook]

Well this one is done, time for Robin vs. Luffy!

[Taz]

Nice, my boy Ener will at least get to see the 5th round.

In his defense: part of what makes him so interesting was how his actions and perception of himself, others and even the land was filtered through his psychosis. He was a villain who didn't see himself as a villain. So much of the horrible shit he did was because he thought he was fulfilling a duty. Making the world a better place.

The point of the survival game wasn't "ha ha I'm so powerful, I'm going to toy around with human lives", that was just a bonus. But the purpose of that event was that he wanted to collect worthy people for his holy land. And he was genuinely baffled when his invitation was rejected.