Felch Discussion Part 3

[Chopperrules]

And that's what makes it'd call battle tactic (or strategy if you like that term better). Ichigo aims for the kill because he thinks only that way he can stop the madman. But he hasn't shown to have a desire to kill him. Of course a normal human being would definitely feel the desire to kill. But fiktional shonen heroes are a different matter. And Ichigo's bleach character portrayal so far hasn't shown any indications that he wants to kill Aizen because he feels like it. He rather aims for it because plot dictates it.

But anyways, my original point was that it is silly to say that Ichigo shouldn't have a grudge against Aizen while he definitely has. And as far killing is concerned, I agree that for normal human standards he has more then enough reasons to want to kill Aizen. He just wasn't portrayed as a character who would feel that way...yet.

IMO he really is that bad in terms of fleshed out character. Yes Naruto is even more annoying than Ichigo but at least he is a character. He has absolutely personality trait that makes him seem alive. Heck, even the uncharismatic bore Byakuya has more of a personality then Ichigo who just does things because plot dictates it.

-Well alright, I actually misread what your point was so I understand now. I thought you were saying that Ichigo didn't have reasons to want to kill him, but you meant Kubo didn't make it seem believable, which I agree with to an extent.

-I guess the whole thing is just opinion-based. I'm not an Ichigo fan or anything, but I really don't get that frustrated like some people on here, and I don't see him as having no personality. The only thing that annoys me about him is that he has such a righteous streak going on lately that he's endangering himself and his friends.

Why yes, yes he is.
He has no ambition. He has no story. His power is only inheritance from his father. His victories are undesrved. His main cast friends are constanly overshadowed.
And that's just the basics.

Come on, to say he has no personality or motivation is one thing, but to say he has no story...? In case you have forgotten, his past has been touched in in the beginning with the Grand Fisher and the death of his mother. That is pretty much where things began, when he started to gradually see spirits and such.

lets look back at many times, such as above. Where Aizen came up to ichigo before he even realized. Or ichigo did that to Byakuya a couple times way back when. and so on. People do it like taking a piss in this show, they are always popping in and going, "ha i could have killed you there"

So sure Aizen could have sword in front of him while others think he has it at his side. But its worth a shot to super quickly try adn slash him. But as I said, all their BANKAI's are F*ing huge. IF they surround him with Ichigo's advise/directions. Then bam have their huge ass bankai's all attack to a spot in center, he can't dodge that. Its like when Byakuya does his flower petal thing and it completely surounds some one, or Picollo has a ton of ki blasts surround android 17 and then has them go flying in to blast him. Aizen can't dodge it, its impossible. He can only withstand the attack with either his defense or equally strong attack back. But based on bankais we've seen such as the assassan chick, he most likely doesn't have that kind of power. plus that kind of power to repel ALL the attacks.

Its like Barringans fight, he was trapped inside a huge forcefield shit, whatever that stuffs called again. Why can't he do something or all captains somethign like that together where it woudl be strong enough to not allow aizen to escape. Then slowly keep making it smaller orwhatever and either trap him or send al your attacks inside it so he can't dodge again? Seems elementary.

Now i'm not sure how this heuco mundo yellow shit works, if he can pull that out his ass whenever he wants or not. But if he can't then he shoudl be damaged by their attack if not killed.

but regardless this series bugs the shit out of me. Ichigo is seen to be like the fastest mofo in the universe many times and his bankai is made for only speed. his hollow mask which has been upgraded some only improves on that. But no, somehow he keeps getting make ot look like a bitch by poeple that are moving FASTER than him? wtf.

The thing is, we still don't know what powers he has hidden up his sleeve. Like what hsi Bankai can do, or what his Resurrection is, or if it's something even greater. Tousen, weak as he was, was able to down a captain in one strike, so I'm confident someone of Aizen's level could deflect all of their attacks at once in his released form, or maybe even with his Bankai. He also has a lot of experimental kidous up his sleeve that the others can't do.

[NicoNico28]

Something tells me Ichigos already under Aizen's spell and noone knows because Aizen doesn't want them to know.

[choperman]

Something tells me Ichigos already under Aizen's spell and noone knows because Aizen doesn't want them to know.

And then chad will save them all by killing aizen and for once actually winning a fight that ment something..... oh how i wish

but i've thought of this (your idea) before but i just don't know how it would work out in the end, not saying your wrong at all just speculating, i'm defiantly keeping it as an option

[Unluck]

I'm just hoping that Orihime is under his control and when she maybe ever finally gets the resolve to hurt someone, thinking it is Aizen, she blasts a hole in Ichigo.

[Ivotas]

-I guess the whole thing is just opinion-based. I'm not an Ichigo fan or anything, but I really don't get that frustrated like some people on here, and I don't see him as having no personality. The only thing that annoys me about him is that he has such a righteous streak going on lately that he's endangering himself and his friends.

The thing is though that he really is character is pretty bleach. He doesn't have any real goals in life (he just fights because plot dictates it) nor does he have any real unique personality traits that make him stand out when compared to other protagonists of his kind. And by that I'm not talking about guys like Luffy or Naruto since guys like them get into adventures because they try to achieve their own goal while Ichigo gets into them by accident. So that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

No, I'm talking about guys like Kei Kurono from Gantz, Yagami Light from Death Note or Oga from Beelzebub. Like Ichigo all these guys are students that lived a normal life until an event occured that changed their life. Kei for instance was an egoistic jerk that didn't think much of anyone by himself. His jerkish attitude also held a while at the beginning of the series but it gave him a fleshed out personality. Then even came the part where he said that only in those missions he feels alive and later on his character even developed by turning him into a nicer guy.

With Yagami Light we've seen a big character development in how corrupted his personality because of using the Death Note. And Oga (while the series is still in it's early stages) already has already a recognizable unique being the delinquent who's beating up other delinquents while babysitting.

And now compare Ichigo with them. Ok, he asked for Shinigami powers in order to save his family. True, he displayed emotions in this scene. But in a fictional story you'd simply expect every protagonist to do something to help when his loved ones are in danger. So the emotions displayed here are nothing that helps defining a unique character of Ichigo. And as the story progresses nothing really happens that helpes creating a unique fictional personality. Yes, he goes to school and has friends. Yes, he cares for his friends and wants to help them. But this is stereotype response behaviour according to the plot.

Kei Kurono, Yagami Light or Oga can all be described by their personality alone and it would be clear that they are totally different fictional people while Ichigo lacks and unique living personality and seems only to be things because plot dictates it.

[Chrissie]

I'm just hoping that Orihime is under his control and when she maybe ever finally gets the resolve to hurt someone, thinking it is Aizen, she blasts a hole in Ichigo.

Rofl! I'll start liking Orihime again if that happens. :P

I ‘like’ how most of the Shinigami's and Vaizards jumped in front of Ichigo to protect him against Aizen, while ignoring Gin who has proved time after time that he is a serious threat and must not be taken lightly.. That's kinda stupid. It's like running to face a crocodile while forgetting all about the poisonous snake that is slithering behind you... And I wonder where Yamamoto is... May I hope that he decided to be smart and keep an eye on our dear Gin?

[Mugiwara Kaizoku]

You mean Tatsuki? (then again a series where she ends up as Rukia's Shinigami partner would have been interesting...and way more yurified considering we'd still have Orihime and Chizuru to deal with...oh great, stop me before I make up a more interesting story than Kubo)

I didn't mean Tatsuki, i meant Rukia, but i forgot her name due to her lack of relevance...

[Shandian]

The thing is though that he really is character is pretty bleach. He doesn't have any real goals in life (he just fights because plot dictates it) nor does he have any real unique personality traits that make him stand out when compared to other protagonists of his kind. And by that I'm not talking about guys like Luffy or Naruto since guys like them get into adventures because they try to achieve their own goal while Ichigo gets into them by accident. So that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

No, I'm talking about guys like Kei Kurono from Gantz, Yagami Light from Death Note or Oga from Beelzebub. Like Ichigo all these guys are students that lived a normal life until an event occured that changed their life. Kei for instance was an egoistic jerk that didn't think much of anyone by himself. His jerkish attitude also held a while at the beginning of the series but it gave him a fleshed out personality. Then even came the part where he said that only in those missions he feels alive and later on his character even developed by turning him into a nicer guy.

With Yagami Light we've seen a big character development in how corrupted his personality because of using the Death Note. And Oga (while the series is still in it's early stages) already has already a recognizable unique being the delinquent who's beating up other delinquents while babysitting.

And now compare Ichigo with them. Ok, he asked for Shinigami powers in order to save his family. True, he displayed emotions in this scene. But in a fictional story you'd simply expect every protagonist to do something to help when his loved ones are in danger. So the emotions displayed here are nothing that helps defining a unique character of Ichigo. And as the story progresses nothing really happens that helpes creating a unique fictional personality. Yes, he goes to school and has friends. Yes, he cares for his friends and wants to help them. But this is stereotype response behaviour according to the plot.

Kei Kurono, Yagami Light or Oga can all be described by their personality alone and it would be clear that they are totally different fictional people while Ichigo lacks and unique living personality and seems only to be things because plot dictates it.

Spot on discription, I have excatly same view of Ichigo...or what he is not.

[Tokoro Ataru]

I didn't mean Tatsuki, i meant Rukia, but i forgot her name due to her lack of relevance...

I was joking when I said Tatsuki, mostly cause I sort of was hinting that there were other ways.

Meanwhile, I just rewatched the second opening anime...and Bleach just felt like a completely different from what it is now: four weirdoes from the human world and two outcasts from the SS taking on essentially an entire army for the sake of a friend. (and the part with Ishida trying to kill Shrimpo makes me wish the brat was never a factor) Heck, even the third opening kept the feel and made it still seem like the SS side and Ichigo's group felt separate and it would all be climaxing. Of course...this really never happened even in Kubo-ville, population: one smug mangka. (and hordes of brain-dead fans)

[GEPPETTOSMONSTER]

btw you guys seen this yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2Qk...ayer_embedded#

whoa that's awesome

[Chopperrules]

The thing is though that he really is character is pretty bleach. He doesn't have any real goals in life (he just fights because plot dictates it) nor does he have any real unique personality traits that make him stand out when compared to other protagonists of his kind. And by that I'm not talking about guys like Luffy or Naruto since guys like them get into adventures because they try to achieve their own goal while Ichigo gets into them by accident. So that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

No, I'm talking about guys like Kei Kurono from Gantz, Yagami Light from Death Note or Oga from Beelzebub. Like Ichigo all these guys are students that lived a normal life until an event occured that changed their life. Kei for instance was an egoistic jerk that didn't think much of anyone by himself. His jerkish attitude also held a while at the beginning of the series but it gave him a fleshed out personality. Then even came the part where he said that only in those missions he feels alive and later on his character even developed by turning him into a nicer guy.

With Yagami Light we've seen a big character development in how corrupted his personality because of using the Death Note. And Oga (while the series is still in it's early stages) already has already a recognizable unique being the delinquent who's beating up other delinquents while babysitting.

And now compare Ichigo with them. Ok, he asked for Shinigami powers in order to save his family. True, he displayed emotions in this scene. But in a fictional story you'd simply expect every protagonist to do something to help when his loved ones are in danger. So the emotions displayed here are nothing that helps defining a unique character of Ichigo. And as the story progresses nothing really happens that helpes creating a unique fictional personality. Yes, he goes to school and has friends. Yes, he cares for his friends and wants to help them. But this is stereotype response behaviour according to the plot.

Kei Kurono, Yagami Light or Oga can all be described by their personality alone and it would be clear that they are totally different fictional people while Ichigo lacks and unique living personality and seems only to be things because plot dictates it.

I certainly agree overall, but I see Ichigo has having a personality that none of us here would actually like either way... he started out a snobby teenager with a slight attitude, but was silently protective of his family and friends. He then slowly transformed into an extremely self-righteous goody-two-shoe that has to play by the rules and fight on equal ground, regardless of the fact that his friends are in grave danger and he has no time for such thinking. I don't hate him for that, but especially lately in the Ulquiorra fight and probably will reoccur in the Aizen fight, he's getting worse and worse with this trait. But then again, I suppose you could argue that that is also a mere reaction and nothing more. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

[Hinscher]

i have a question regarding new episode titles and seasons title

Season 14: The Beast Swords(2010)

256 "Byakuya's Anger! The Kuchiki Family Collapses"
"Ikari no Byakuya! Kuchiki-ke hōkai" (怒りの白哉！朽木家崩壊)

257 "A New Enemy! The True Nature of the Beast Swords"
"Arata na teki! Katana-jū no shōtai" (新たな敵！刀獣の正体)



Is this a new FILLER? Or is this continued from the current filler. doesn't sound like its back to manga stuff.

[Shandian]

i have a question regarding new episode titles and seasons title

Season 14: The Beast Swords(2010)

256 "Byakuya's Anger! The Kuchiki Family Collapses"
"Ikari no Byakuya! Kuchiki-ke hōkai" (怒りの白哉！朽木家崩壊)

257 "A New Enemy! The True Nature of the Beast Swords"
"Arata na teki! Katana-jū no shōtai" (新たな敵！刀獣の正体)



Is this a new FILLER? Or is this continued from the current filler. doesn't sound like its back to manga stuff.

You read Bleach manga? You can read a typical chapter under 30 seconds without missing slightest detail.

Ichigo vs Ulquirra was 7 chapters long, yet you could fit it easily to one single episode and there still could be some still-shots and dragging.

Kudos for Bleach anime making excellent work and with creative fillers but its really hard for them to prevent catching up manga.

[Hinscher]

yes i read the manga, that is why i am wondering if these have been confirmed fillers or if its back to cannon stuff just the titels make no sense to me.

i was all pumped up cause the current filler is supposed to end in a couple weeks, but then now we are stuck with ANOTHER filler arc. sure bleach chapters go super quick, but they have 880 some pages to work with. one piece only has like 530. naruto has a whopping 1100.

if only the arc would end right now, then they could not have to worry and just animate until the arc finishes then put together a new filler arc.

it is i guess amazing how little content seems ot be in bleach. i mean look at one piece. its 570 chapters, bleach is 488. so like 80 chapters behind. one piece is on episdoe 433, and bleach is on episode 253. And I bet they have around the same number of filler episodes in total, if bleach might have more.

[Mark D. Manuel]

i have a question regarding new episode titles and seasons title

Season 14: The Beast Swords(2010)

256 "Byakuya's Anger! The Kuchiki Family Collapses"
"Ikari no Byakuya! Kuchiki-ke hōkai" (怒りの白哉！朽木家崩壊)

257 "A New Enemy! The True Nature of the Beast Swords"
"Arata na teki! Katana-jū no shōtai" (新たな敵！刀獣の正体)



Is this a new FILLER? Or is this continued from the current filler. doesn't sound like its back to manga stuff.

if there is another filler im going stop watching till it ends cuz wtf the manga is lame and the anime filler is stupid, yea stupid hitsugaya fucking froze fire wth!!

[Hinscher]

yea the filler started off interesting, but after like 6 episodes i quit watching. it went back to same ol same ol boring shit. where its just fight after fight, every damn character has to have a fight, which takes forever.

and you guys all want new crewmates for luffy's crew.

[Chrissie]

Lately the fillers in Bleach are more interesting than the manga itself from what I've heard. Maybe those ones will be too? Haven't really watched the anime since the filler with that rich, blond girl from Soul Society (I think she was a princess or something? Can't really remember). Maybe I'll start watching it again in Summer just for the Zanpakutō fillers.

[Mark D. Manuel]

Lately the fillers in Bleach are more interesting than the manga itself from what I've heard. Maybe those ones will be too? Haven't really watched the anime since the filler with that rich, blond girl from Soul Society (I think she was a princess or something? Can't really remember). Maybe I'll start watching it again in Summer just for the Zanpakutō fillers.

nah dont even bother, it was interesting at first but after a few episode its not...kenpachi randomly appear under kira which is stupid and just like as i said b4 hitsugaya froze yamamoto's fire, YAMAMMOTO'S FIRE!!!!!!! WUT THE FUCKEN FUCK!!!

[Chrissie]

hitsugaya froze yamamoto's fire, YAMAMMOTO'S FIRE!!!!!!! WUT THE FUCKEN FUCK!!!

Waitwut? Okay, they are nuts. How could he have...Meuh. Nevermind. Sticking to the manga then. And thank you for warning me~!

[goty]

yea the filler started off interesting, but after like 6 episodes i quit watching. it went back to same ol same ol boring shit.

Pretty much my thoughts, except that i quit after 8 episodes. It started really promising indeed, but turned painful quickly.