Young Justice

[Silver R. Bolt]

I think that mostly was an unexplained joke about how the suit also has a mind.

[Green_vs_Red]

I can see the argument that the timeskip would have worked better with a delay between seasons, but on the other hand, just imagine how pissed fans (especially shippers) would have been after a whole summer of waiting to see their favorite team again.

CN delays shows way too much for anyone's liking as it is.

[Aru]

Wow did the new season start bad.

Looks like I didn't need to wtach the last 26 episodes, because they don't matter anymore. I'm not a superhero fan and I don't need to know character backgrounds from comics etc. so I just watched the show knowing some of the more famous ones, and learning about the rest during the season. Now they give me a bunch of new stuff, I don't know any of them, and here I was thinking we would get some more stuff going on with the old Young Justice. I don't like butterfly-blue-Hispanic-robot guy, I don't care for him at all. I don't care for the badly-designed-beasty-swimming-in-the-water guy also. Or the new Robin. I liked the old ones and IF I wanted to know what would happen to them for the next 5 years, then I would like to watch some more seasons showing me this. Now all they did was show me these new characters I don't know. If this is a set-up to show me how "awesome" they all will be after 5 years and then they'll go back to the old YL, then first - it's bad writing and second it's REALLY bad writing. It's nice to sneakpeek such things, but not do a whole episode or two or ten like this.
But I liked that Lobo, the MAN, decided to visit Earth. He was nerfed down a lot, sadly, because the guy could probably eat half of JL for breakfast, but still it was nice to see such an icon of the 90' here.
My opinion? Go and read Lobo vs Mask and don't watch YJ for a while.

[Green_vs_Red]

My opinion? Go and read Lobo vs Mask and don't watch YJ for a while.

Nah I'll stick with YJ thanks.

[LUFFY#1 fan]

Wow did the new season start bad.

Looks like I didn't need to wtach the last 26 episodes, because they don't matter anymore. I'm not a superhero fan and I don't need to know character backgrounds from comics etc. so I just watched the show knowing some of the more famous ones, and learning about the rest during the season. Now they give me a bunch of new stuff, I don't know any of them, and here I was thinking we would get some more stuff going on with the old Young Justice. I don't like butterfly-blue-Hispanic-robot guy, I don't care for him at all. I don't care for the badly-designed-beasty-swimming-in-the-water guy also. Or the new Robin. I liked the old ones and IF I wanted to know what would happen to them for the next 5 years, then I would like to watch some more seasons showing me this. Now all they did was show me these new characters I don't know. If this is a set-up to show me how "awesome" they all will be after 5 years and then they'll go back to the old YL, then first - it's bad writing and second it's REALLY bad writing. It's nice to sneakpeek such things, but not do a whole episode or two or ten like this.
But I liked that Lobo, the MAN, decided to visit Earth. He was nerfed down a lot, sadly, because the guy could probably eat half of JL for breakfast, but still it was nice to see such an icon of the 90' here.
My opinion? Go and read Lobo vs Mask and don't watch YJ for a while.

It's pretty obvious they will explain the 5 year gap in due time. And you should catch up as these are great episodes and it'd be stupid to think they won't use plot points from those episodes.

[Shuhan]

I can understand where Aru is coming from...it's exactly how I feel...

But I'm willing to give it a fair shake and see where they're going with this...Even if they completely destroyed any character development potential...

[RobbyBevard]

Well, that was waaaay better.

We assumed they would explain things eventually but... the timeskip still feels really awkward rather than just seeing these developments naturally. Seeing them lead up to these things over the course of 3 or 5 episodes would just feel better than... ending up where we ended up.

[tatermoog]

One problem with having a five-year timeskip that changes all the relationships is you have that awkward aspect of the season where people just randomly go, "Hey, so, what happened with you and her over the last five years?," or, "Hey, remember how that blood transfusion gave me superpowers? Good times..."

It's like nobody really talked about these things for a while and then, magically, all the issues come to a head within the same two-to-three week period. It's a standard trope, sure, but it's a little annoying.

[RobbyBevard]

Timeskips are a fine storytelling tool.

And if someone picked up their first issue of a comic with issue #127, they'd come in on the middle and these exact same catching up moments would feel fine and natural and be there for catching them up.

And hell, the Teen Titans in the comics DO have a history of skipping huge chunks of time and completely revamping the lineup.

All these things are fine individually, and can be used to great effect. I don't know why it feels so weird here. Because it was so arbitrary? Because the world was only just settling into place with their continuity and 130 characters and they've now tossed in another five years of baggage and about two decades worth of comic material? Because there was no build up or preperation for it where it made sense organically to move forward a few years?

[tatermoog]

All these things are fine individually, and can be used to great effect. I don't know why it feels so weird here. Because it was so arbitrary? Because the world was only just settling into place with their continuity and 130 characters and they've now tossed in another five years of baggage and about two decades worth of comic material? Because there was no build up or preperation for it where it made sense organically to move forward a few years?

A few thoughts:
-timeskips happen all the time in comics, but this is a pretty extreme attack on the status quo. Fully half the original team is MIA, and I have yet to see one established relationship that remains consistent. It's one thing to augment or develop stories in a timeskip; it's another to end or completely transform them. Right now, there's no core besides the idea of a team that held from the first season to the second.
-There's a difference between doing a timeskip after a year with a group of characters and doing a timeskip when you're just now establishing a series. For those of us who don't really follow Young Justice/Teen Titans as a comic book, it took a little longer to get used to these characters and the concepts involved. I'd finally settled in around Episode 18 or so. Now it feels like I have to do another week of wikipedia reading just to catch up on all of these people.
-Season One really didn't wrap up the storyline. The Light had only had two or three people actually seen in action, the sixteen hours seemed like a pressing concern, etc. It works all right as a mechanism for bringing all the old storylines into play five years later, but when you add the artificial nature of everyone suddenly feeling a need to come clean about the last five years as well as conveniently picking up the major plot thread of the previous season at the same time, it can lead to a little cognitive dissonance. But this complaint is really just against standard tropes, not this particular timeskip.

[RobbyBevard]

Yeah. The expansion in Justice League to Justice League Unlimited made sense, they had a giant world invasion 3 parter that felt like it could have been a series finale, solidified the trust among everyone there, took away one of their members... and encouraged reaching out and expanding the roster, with the original group at its core.

here, its just... so arbitrary. And its a skip after so many cliffhangers. And the original group is just... not there. Maybe it'll settle better after a few more weeks but... if all they wanted was to add a few members to the team, they... could have just done that. They were bringing someone new in every third episode anyway.

[taboo]

i like this episode

[RobbyBevard]

I just realized. Sometime, in the near future. We're going to get the entire "I was tired of living in Batman's shadow and so left heroing for a bit, then took on the name Superman gave me and became Nightwing... and then Bruce took in another kid and he became Robin" speech.

Which was a long term natural growth in the comics (and the DCAU) but here... its going to be thrown into a 1 minute soliloquy.

[taboo]

i'm just happy to have beast boy again

i'm glad they took a leaf out of the old TT book and kept him from speaking in animal form

[RobbyBevard]

Yeah, Beast Boy is always good. And a key component of the titans.

I'm REALLY used to his old voice though.

[Badass SnoCone]

I'm REALLY used to his old voice though.

Same. Greg Cipes was a really fitting BB.

It seems to me like BB is taking up some of the role Wally had in the first season. Especially with the whole souvenir thing. Which kind of makes me uneasy as to Wally's fate in the series.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

Yeah, Beast Boy is always good. And a key component of the titans.

I'm REALLY used to his old voice though.

Spoiler:

I'm in the same boat. And I actually didn't put two and two together about Beast Boy when I guess we first saw him many episodes ago lol. I wasn't aware that was his origin cause before they had that brief flashback I was gonna ask what he was.

Conner's reasoning for the break up was interesting...I didn't know he'd be youthful till he dies.

I really wish they hadn't done the time skip and took their time...but Cartoon Network doesn't seem to have good longevity with their shows so I guess it's partially okay.

[Sniper King]

I hope wee get Jason Todd. Five years seems good to fit him in, and Tim seems like he's sorta new.

[Silver R. Bolt]

I didn't know Beast Boy could change certain parts... that would be awesome if made up his own creatures like Griffins or Dragons.

Spoiler:

Also I really like that Beast Boy default form is half monkey and half human; he can be full human (but green) but I guess he probably thinks being half monkey is cooler. I agree.

[RobbyBevard]

I didn't know Beast Boy could change certain parts... that would be awesome if made up his own creatures like Griffins or Dragons.

In the comics at least he was even able to imitate alien creatures. That even happened to be green, so it was a full blown proper disguise!