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    I'm still not done, but I think I'm getting closer. Overall my opinions are the same. I'm disappointed in the low number of sidequests (which are mostly just mindless fetch-quests anyway) and the amount of backtracking through big empty areas (the geoboard helps but only so much). The story and characters are still interesting, though I've been getting frustrated lately at how the game has to spell everything out in excruciating detail instead of just letting me learn and infer on my own. Like if an NPC says they saw a dragon in a mandatory conversation, I don't need a cutscene directly after saying "A dragon? We're looking for a dragon! Maybe that's our dragon! Let's go find that dragon!" Like no shit, give it a rest sometimes.

    I still really like the combat, and I'd probably say it's actually the hardest Tales game I've played so far in that respect. I don't know if it's because I'm still constantly switching out gear to master the skills and not bothering to particularly upgrade much of it, but even regular enemies on the map sometimes take a long time to beat or give me some trouble, and a lot of Dangerous Encounters are practically as threatening as a boss. Though I will say the difficulty feels inconsistent. Sometimes a boss spams AOE and annoying spells and I have to use tons of life bottles or retry the fight multiple times, but then the next few bosses I just absolutely obliterate. Just like some Code Red hunts are seriously hard but others are a breeze even 10 levels above me. I'm also annoyed that so far the only way to increase my min and max souls in battle seems to be from items that require me to be wearing a combined 25 upgrades on my character.

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    Can't we all just agree that Velvet is the best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    Can't we all just agree that Velvet is the best?
    I'm about ten hours in so barely into the story, but if what I've seen so far stays the same then I can definitely say she is the best protagonist of all the Tales games that I can remember. Overall I love the cast, even the kid character which many games struggle to make barely better than not annoying.

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    The cast is definently the strong point of the game.

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    Velvet is fine but in terms of character, Yuri did the whole morally-questionable-protagonist thing a lot better. Velvet is pretty one-note in her motivations and the whole "you can come along I guess just don't get in my way" routine. It's nice to see her slowly change over time but she doesn't really hold a candle to the dynamic of Yuri and Flynn ("I want to do things the right way by reforming the system" vs. "Let's be real, the only way to actually effect change is to get blood on your hands").

    Actually the cast of Berseria sometimes bears a lot of similarities to the Vesperia cast or other Tales games. Rokurou constantly reminds me of Raven, Magilou is somewhere between Rita and Pascal, Laphicet is a less annoying Karol, Eizen is basically Malik, and Eleanor is somewhere between Estelle and Cheria.

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    I think it just me, but the cast reminds me of One Piece.

    Rokuro would be Zoro, Laphicet is Chopper, Magilou is Nami....But Velvet is pretty much an Anti-Luffy.

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    I've actually noticed tons of similarities to One Piece but I don't think the main cast directly correlates to OP characters, though yes Rokurou is totally Zoro (and Shigure is voiced by Zoro's VA in Japanese!). Even beyond the ragtag pirate crew theme though I keep seeing very specific things that make me highly suspect the writers are big One Piece fans. For example at one point they allude to a period in history that is pretty much just the Void Century. Then there's Eizen's inability to swim because magic. And other things that I can't remember off the top of my head.

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    Too bad I have been missing your streams lately Foolio, too many projects at school. I see that Humble Bundle has a Bandai Namco sale, and Tales of Zestiria is offered at the 15$ plus the other games. Is it worth it? Not that I have an urge to buy new games, but I cannot say no to a good deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    I think it just me, but the cast reminds me of One Piece.

    Rokuro would be Zoro, Laphicet is Chopper, Magilou is Nami....But Velvet is pretty much an Anti-Luffy.
    not just you..i saw zoro similar characteristics in rokurou.
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    Warning: dissertation incoming.

    Well I finally finished the game last night. I have pretty mixed overall feelings. My play time was a bit shy of 50 hours, which includes listening to every single skit/event I found as well as completing every Code Red hunt I could find and sidequest I had access to (which is slim pickings, I'll say that). Overall I found the characters and world interesting, as well as the combat, but really the high points weren't that high whereas I have a lot of issues with the game systems and design. I feel like for 50 hours of play I didn't get as much out of it as I should have. I completed everything I could because I really wanted to give this game a fair chance, but I just wasn't impressed so the odds of me doing another playthrough or any post-game content are very very slim (not that there seems to be a very robust post-game anyway).

    The most praise I can give the game is that it has a pretty solid, varied cast, despite there only being 6 actual party members. The team dynamic is overall pretty interesting, and while the story has some eye-roll moments, it remains fairly intriguing throughout. Aside from a little too much developer obsession with food (seriously the skits do not shut up about how to cook a million different things, even going into the finer points of fishing at times), most of the character development you get feels well-written and interesting. That said I really wish we got more than basic background for many of them. When I think back to how Sheena was developed in ToS for example, nothing comes even close to that in Berseria.

    I also feel that I should talk about the combat again now that I've finished the game. My initial impressions of it were pretty good, and that held up pretty well throughout the entire game. The actual flow of battle and its mechanics is really quite good, with you still feeling threatened despite being able to unleash crazy combos and there also being a fair amount of possible depth especially with party tagging and different types of chaining. I do have complaints about how human enemies especially can spam AOE attacks that are almost impossible to avoid and do tons of damage even if you block, and also when they repeatedly use Mystic Artes (seriously it gets old and cheap), but that's nothing new to the series. I really like the steady progression of artes and the very very varied combat styles of the different characters. I mostly played as Velvet because for a lot of reasons she gives a significant advantage in combat, but I think in terms of fun Eleanor is by far the coolest character. Her moves are the bomb.

    Unfortunately now I get to rant about everything off-putting about the game. Since I just praised the combat, I'll start by talking about how the game does everything possible to hinder your combat progression. Now that the game is over I can say the equipment system is irredeemably bad. I went through the WHOLE game with the same number of min and max souls in battle because for some reason the geniuses decided to lock that type of improvement behind the absurd requirement of wearing gear that has been upgraded a combined total of 25 and 30 times. First of all the game artificially locks you out of upgrading your equipment to more than +3 (and later +6) until way too late in the game. But it's also really really unrealistic to expect you to have the materials to constantly upgrade that much. A few times isn't so difficult, but the materials required (in terms of both rarity and quantity) go up really fast after the first few times (as well as with how good your base gear is), and grinding random pickup spots or gear to dismantle is so unpleasant and boring that it's just a terrible design. And since you get so much gear constantly, with newer and better stuff in each new area, AND they expect you to use and master as much gear as possible to get the permanent boosts from it, it is a highly contradictory and conflicted system.

    This is compounded by various other related crap such as the fact that unlocking fundamental combat mechanics like Altered Artes is all hidden behind special items you can obtain. Usually you get them from bosses, rare monsters, or hunt targets. BUT some are locked behind leveling up your shop!! This is insane because there is no reason to spend money at the shop when you can find everything it offers as drops or in chests. Sure you may dabble a bit in upgrading, but I never did that almost at all due to how badly it's designed. As a result I didn't unlock Altered Artes until 75% through the game. My shop was at level 2 for the vast majority of it. I think this also made battles take longer as they expect you to unlock these things and upgrade your gear, so I was always feeling underleveled. But it doesn't stop there. There is a cap to how much gear you can hold, and I hit that cap quite unexpectedly partway through the game. I really did NOT want to spend hours sorting through hundreds of drops to find the optimal stuff, and I was missing out on new, better gear due to the cap (including some exclusive boss drops!) so I just went and dismantled 90% of what I had to make room, keeping on average 2 or 3 of each different piece of gear. Well, late in the game it turns out there's a gimmick monster that you can only kill by reflecting damage back at it, and damage reflection is a RANDOM gear drop ability. And given that I had thrown out hundreds of pieces of gear... well, let's just say I didn't beat that monster the intended way (dropping the difficulty down to the easiest setting lets you cheese it). That is just really aggravating. Also a more minor gripe but having level 3 Mystic Artes unlock in the final dungeon (and only after finding and beating optional bosses) is really not that exciting.

    And it brings me to the next point, which is that there is so much useless crap they expect you to micro-manage. Not just gear but also things like cooking. I'll be honest, I didn't cook a single recipe in the entire damn game. I just do not have the time or interest. I accumulated various recipes through the game's mindless "expedition" mechanic where you send off your ship for 30 minutes and it finds loot for you, but hell if I ever used it. In a game like this where you regen HP easily in combat and there's no TP, cooking was just another thing I didn't want to deal with. Then there are all the equipment masteries, and titles which also level up. At a certain point when the results screen of battle shows you 20 different things, you stop paying attention. Every battle it's a list of level ups, list of artes learned, list of equipment dropped, list of gear mastered, list of titled acquired or leveled... it's just like shit man, have a little restraint in your game design.

    And again I loved Xenoblade Chronicles X which has similarly elaborate mechanics for just about everything, but this game just felt like it did it all wrong. For example, in Xenoblade you craft gear augments. These augments give your gear specific boosts, but they can be added and removed from gear as you please (so long as the gear has augment slots). That would have made a lot of sense in Berseria, which clearly expects you to swap out gear constantly but also upgrade it. That way your upgrades would mean something, and you wouldn't have to abandon your +6 armor because you found some much better base armor and have to start over. Just one example of an easy fix to something they clearly didn't think through. And equipment mastery would be MUCH better served working like Vesperia, where it was exclusive to weapons (less overwhelming than it being for every gear type) and instead of magically adding stats to your character it would provide a unique skill that you could activate with skill points.

    Other than that, perhaps my biggest issue is they still aren't handling travel and backtracking very well. Areas are unnecessarily large and quite boring after the first time through (if not even during the first time). Some of them are quite pretty, but giant screen after screen gets old fast, especially when you can't fast-travel past most of them. Like sure you can warp to towns when the game decides to let you (though it requires a consumable item that you don't get a "bottomless" version of until literally the final dungeon), but you still often have to traverse multiple field areas to get back to a random dungeon for a fetchquest or whatnot. Having an overworld made this less of a problem because the world map is compressed and you can largely go straight to whatever area you want, maybe occasionally having to traverse a field area until you have flight. But when everything is just interconnected fields, it's pretty lame. And the Geoboard that makes you "run" faster isn't as useful as it sounds. Putting aside the fact that it's annoyingly difficult to control, you still need to find special spots in every area in order to activate it. And these spots are almost always found once you're done or nearly done in an area, even ones you're backtracking to. It's used as a way to access spots you couldn't before, so there is somewhat of a reason for that in many cases, but come on guys don't make your mobility option also a progress lock. Once again I think that's bad design.

    My final issue that I'd like to bring up -- I feel like despite the characters having widely unique combat styles (something I praised earlier), I feel like the individual characters struggle to define their roles in combat. There are characters that lean more toward melee and ones that lean more toward magic, with a couple in between, but when deciding who to use over whom, I have a really hard time separating the niches they fill. There is no obvious healer; healing artes are spread across party members. For example Eleanor is a highly-offensive melee player with a few offensive magic spells, but in exchange she is fairly frail. So why is she one of the two players who can revive dead party members? And despite there being customizable strategies for party members, the A.I. can be annoyingly one-minded. Eizen almost always tries to cast Resurrection as soon as any character has a status ailment, even if they're not dead. And if they are dead, he will exclusively attempt to resurrect them no matter what.

    Man, after everything I've written you'd think I hate the game or something. Even I feel like I should. But for whatever reason, maybe because of how far my standards have dropped given recent entries, I still enjoyed it in the end.

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    As to the story and ending.
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    The story did a great job of showing how self-destructive revenge can be. By the end of the game, the heroine is so far beyond redemption it's hard to see how she could have a happy ending.

    And she doesn't. It's a fitting end for her but it is quite depressing watching a montage roll of what her life might have looked like in an alternate reality where she had not experienced tragedy. It's depressing and quite powerful.
    I can finally comment about the ending. I actually mostly disagree, and I thought the ending was pretty meh. Spoilers just in case:

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    I actually don't think Velvet is anywhere beyond redemption... the game never truly made her a villain. They tried to make her seem all cold and selfish, and to an extent she was, but they really were careful to never actually make her a bad person. All the people she "used" for her own gains she ended up treating well, or even helped/rescued because "oh they just happen to have something I need; I'm just doing this for leverage guys I swear!" The people she killed were either evil or left her no choice (the bit with Oscar and Teresa was so badly written... I think it was the weakest story point). It would have been different if her quest for revenge was unjustified, but the Abbey was clearly incredibly twisted and far more screwed up in terms of what they were doing, both to specific people and to humanity as a whole. The ONLY thing that poses even a small moral dilemma is the matter of removing Therions and causing populations to become demons. But it's not like there was a better solution, given the alternative, and technically it's not even Velvet's fault. Plus they weren't her decisions alone... the entire party was there with her, they are just as responsible. Oh and in the end Phi turned all the demons back anyway lol.

    So no, I don't think she was beyond redemption in any way. And the way she turned so sweet and cheery in the Aball illusion is complete proof that she is still human, still capable of happiness and love. Not that it's not sad. It's still a tragic story overall, but I still thought the ending was very very silly. I could not take it seriously with Phi turning into an uber-dragon and Velvet and Laphi locked in an eternal cycle of feeding. I honestly think it's pretty dumb. But whatever!
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    Finally finished tales of berseria co-op
    Game was pretty good, and I can see now the connections to zestiria

    My favourite is definitely rokurou and second eizen
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    Picked up Vesperia Redux, which I started during my brief dalliance with an Xbox360 back in the day but never finished.

    Story and characters are great, but, uh, starting to remember why I never finished. Combat is really janky in this game. Feels like everything has an input lag. Frustrating to have Yuri run across the map, slowly raise his sword, get lightly poked, then get stun-locked for five seconds. There's a 1-on-8 battle with him where it's just a struggle to get in a position where you can do anything at all.

    Might improve as it goes on, but feels worse than it even did in Symphonia, which was older.

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    Well you can

    1) Set it to Manual, where you don't auto-run at enemies and attack from a set distance (and don't have to be blocking to jump), and/or

    2) Abuse Free Run which is completely OP most of the time.

    Early game you feel like crap because there are tons of small battle skills that add up (and several of them were just default mechanics in Symphonia). Examples would be the ability to hop backwards while blocking, recover from the air/ground, do perfect guards to nullify damage and advance while shielding, etc. Later you get outright broken ones. Overall it beats Symphonia just for the camera alone.

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    Massive leak of the next Tales game, Called Tales of Arise:

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    Tales of an Actual Budget trailer just debuted. Looks like an actual next-gen Tales game.

    I technically haven't enjoyed pretty much any of the last few Tales games, but maybe they've been putting all their resources into this fella.

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    Next gen? I'm sure it'll release on PS4 as well. But it might have promise. At least Berseria was... playable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolio View Post
    Next gen? I'm sure it'll release on PS4 as well. But it might have promise. At least Berseria was... playable.
    There's been almost no difference between PS3 and PS4 Tales of... games, and very little from PS2, really. Just meant this is the first one that actually looks like a PS4 game with a PS4 budget. It's due to launch on PS4.


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