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    What looong way? Japan is one of the safest countries and have one of the lowest rate of child crime in the world, while America has one of the highests, i think that western should learn a lot with Japan.

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    I am not glad about Watsuki and how it didn't even make a blip on his volume sales.
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    Yeah... I'm not glad at all that people are still willing to give money to a guy who spent his on child pornography. I'm glad VIZ stopped publishing it. I don't regret reading/watching the original work, but I won't go back to this new one, no way.
    Well, not Japan fault that they know how to separate things and judge the situation as a whole instead of acting like the current western society where everything causes an instant radical reaction, panic and a witch hunt (James Gunn and many others), like i said, the fact that he NEVER TOUCHED ANY UNDERAGE GIRL is the key factor in his case, he screwed by possessing some videos (that we not even know what really had in that), but he never hurt or caused any harm to actual girls, Shimabukuro actually paid a girl to have sex with him, got in jail and now everybody (including me and VIZ) loves the guy, Watsuki did less, the only difference is that it happened this year and not in early 00's

    And this is just 1 japanese author, if we start to talk about Hollywood and artists doing bad things...

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    Jesus Christ...Can we have an entirely different topic please?

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    Why are we even discussing how bad it is to possess child porn compared to child protitution? But yeah, sentences are supposed to be passed by a judge in a court, not by the public on social media nor by employers by firing people or anyone else. He was sentenced, end of story, life moves on. People who still respect him buy his stuff, others who lost their respect don't. Western society, especially the USA and UK, has fallen prey to blowing everything out of proportion and passing judgement on social media. But Japan is way too lenient with regards to sexual matters, particularly regarding children, no questions asked.
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    Going all "what about" means nothing, this isn't about the world and It's hypocrisy, it is about the fact that this guy is a top of a pile of child porn, that somehow had to be recorded, implying very nasty things that I'm not in the mood to talk or discuss. "Never touched" is not an excuse when he paid to have someone either touch them, or I don't want to think what else.

    Whomever is modding this side of the forum, can we get a lid on the watsuki subject?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Going all "what about" means nothing, this isn't about the world and It's hypocrisy, it is about the fact that this guy is a top of a pile of child porn, that somehow had to be recorded, implying very nasty things that I'm not in the mood to talk or discuss. "Never touched" is not an excuse when he paid to have someone either touch them, or I don't want to think what else.

    Whomever is modding this side of the forum, can we get a lid on the watsuki subject?
    Just wanted to quote this for truth.
    I mean, if you order to have someone killed you're just as guilty of murder as the person who actually held the weapon.


    Anyone still able or willing to give Watsuki a chance or to enjoy his art is more than free to do that but trying to legitimize his actions should still be a big no-no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Going all "what about" means nothing, this isn't about the world and It's hypocrisy, it is about the fact that this guy is a top of a pile of child porn, that somehow had to be recorded, implying very nasty things that I'm not in the mood to talk or discuss. "Never touched" is not an excuse when he paid to have someone either touch them, or I don't want to think what else.

    Whomever is modding this side of the forum, can we get a lid on the watsuki subject?
    Yeah this exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinuki no Reborn View Post
    What looong way? Japan is one of the safest countries and have one of the lowest rate of child crime in the world, while America has one of the highests, i think that western should learn a lot with Japan.
    Since this is going off-topic, I'll just end this by saying that comparing the rate of any crime in any country isn't an excuse for the crime to be treated so lightly.

    Now back to manga, I think there is a chance Viz could pull what they did with Kuroko's Basketball and re-license Gintama in 3-in-1 volumes.

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    Just to finish the topic since people are talking about my comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Going all "what about" means nothing, this isn't about the world and It's hypocrisy, it is about the fact that this guy is a top of a pile of child porn, that somehow had to be recorded, implying very nasty things that I'm not in the mood to talk or discuss. "Never touched" is not an excuse when he paid to have someone either touch them, or I don't want to think what else.

    Whomever is modding this side of the forum, can we get a lid on the watsuki subject?
    No one is condoning or giving excuses about the fact that he had some inappropriated videos, what i said is that he was judged by the law for buying some videos, not for touching or having relations with underage girls and this makes a lot of difference for both law and public, isn't the same thing and this is why he's not in jail and Rurouni Kenshin isn't dead as a franchise like it happened with Shimabukuro and his first popular manga in Jump, and if he is "clean" with the law and the japanese public, i think it's very egoistical to want the franchise to be dead or the fans to be restrained of enjoying their favorite manga just because personal opinions


    And about Japan being lenient or having a long way to go, again, one of the lowest rates of child crimes in the world, how Japan is lenient about it? they must be doing something good compared to USA and UK that even have the nerve to criticize Japan for "anime lolis".

    And topic finished, moving to mangas.
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    You know what, the topic at hand is absolutely about Shueisha, so let’s keep it going a second longer.
    The law and what’s moral are not 1:1 the same. Every civil rights movement has come up against what was law at the time. It used to be legal to execute the mentally disabled in some American states. As has been pointed out here, possession of child pornography wasn’t illegal in Japan until fairly recently. If you choose not to understand this very basic idea then sure, Watsuki’s fine and incredibly short hiatus means its fine. But the issue here is people having a moral objection to something that SHOULD carry a far greater punishment, especially as Watsuki’s purchase and ownership of these materials supported the abuse of these children and perpetuates the problems of child pornography and trafficking.

    ALSO Japan isn’t a monolith. Some sub 200k of readers buying his book doesn’t mean that all of Japan has decided it’s okay. Some people are still super opposed to what he’s done. Some are fine with it. Again, reason for moral disappointment in those people, and also in Shueisha for profiting off of a pedophile. (Which also, HE WAS CONVICTED. Dude is a pedophile, and shall continue to carry that, as unapologetic as he is, for the rest of his gross life.

    Shimabukuro is a more difficult case, involving questions of whether a person deserves second chances, and as to what the severity of his crime was. Two years punishment for soliciting (not having sex with if news stories are accurare) a 16 year old (still wrong as shit, but notably older than the children described in Watsuki’s conviction. I don’t believe Jump should have rehired him so soon for Ring, and as much as I enjoyed Toriko I don’t know that that was right either. But at least in that case it had been another four years and there’s been no further word. I don’t think it makes it okay, and I’m still uncomfortable supporting him, but at the least I can understand people being more okay with him than Watsuki.

    Also also also and finally, has it been considered among us that the reason Japan has one of the lowest rates of... child crimes... is that the criteria for conviction and punishment is clearly lower than in other countries? It’s not a huge leap to make, considering the subject at hand.

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    Anyway, how about them new serials, huh? I’m excited for a double dose of gag manga.


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    Both WSJ and eWSJ need a gag manga hit at the momment, next in line after gintama is the haunted fanservice hotsprings, and then we never learn right? <infinite title> Tanaka would be the next manga with a comedy first aproach.

    Seeing that TOC without Gintama is going to hurt.
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    Yeah it’s weird to realise but Gintama, as variable as it is with genre, was kind of holding the line for proper, popular, gag-based comics in Jump the last few months. If neither of these two newbies survive we might be entering the weirdest era for Jump, of just.... less series about jokes. Gonna be odd


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    What I'd want is somethint that danced in the border between drama and comedy, like Sket Dance.

    The issue with some comedy or gag manga is the "ryoga period", the time between the start of the manga, and the moment that enough recuring characters are introduced so by just the number of permutations of excentric personalities you can entice part of the audience with not just the premise of a chapter or an arc, but with the promise of interaction between characters.

    Now that I think about it, Kochikame's place is still vacant.
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    Personally I’d love a return to the ‘nonsense’ era of Bobobo, or even Mr. Fullswing when it was being funny, but I don’t think it’d sell anymore.

    And I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the ryoga period. Nothing lives long enough to establish its cast. Saiki Kusuo had the advantage of its whole volume 0 leading people in, and everything since then has floundered trying to get pieces in place before they’re cancelled. I don’t know that there’s a good solution outside of Jump getting softer on cancelling titles (which it kind of is, a little bit).

    I just hope some good gag manga get settled in soon as possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinuki no Reborn View Post
    Just to finish the topic since people are talking about my comment...



    No one is condoning or giving excuses about the fact that he had some inappropriated videos, what i said is that he was judged by the law for buying some videos, not for touching or having relations with underage girls and this makes a lot of difference for both law and public, isn't the same thing and this is why he's not in jail and Rurouni Kenshin isn't dead as a franchise like it happened with Shimabukuro and his first popular manga in Jump, and if he is "clean" with the law and the japanese public, i think it's very egoistical to want the franchise to be dead or the fans to be restrained of enjoying their favorite manga just because personal opinions


    And about Japan being lenient or having a long way to go, again, one of the lowest rates of child crimes in the world, how Japan is lenient about it? they must be doing something good compared to USA and UK that even have the nerve to criticize Japan for "anime lolis".

    And topic finished, moving to mangas.
    The legal status of Watsuki is irrelevant in this discussion. He could still make manga even if he was in prison.
    It's not egotistical to comment on how you expected a person's actions to have more of an impact, what's egotistical imo is to try and close a lid on a matter that clearly bothers the people on this forum just because you're okay with it.
    The fine he was ruled to pay was laughable, 2000 bucks isn't that far from what he received for each chapter of Rurouni Kenshin published in WSJ, so people here were expecting the public to make more of a stand.


    Which leads me to wonder, does anyone know how the case was handled publicly in Japan? Were there big headlines?
    Since we're in the middle of the fandom of course we heard about it but does the general public know about it? Is everyone who bought the new volume aware of the case or the drop in sales come from those who followed it?


    Also, describing child pornography as "innapropriate videos" is the king of understatements. Jesus fuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxterdexter View Post
    Both WSJ and eWSJ need a gag manga hit at the momment, next in line after gintama is the haunted fanservice hotsprings, and then we never learn right? <infinite title> Tanaka would be the next manga with a comedy first aproach.

    Seeing that TOC without Gintama is going to hurt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxy B View Post
    Yeah itís weird to realise but Gintama, as variable as it is with genre, was kind of holding the line for proper, popular, gag-based comics in Jump the last few months. If neither of these two newbies survive we might be entering the weirdest era for Jump, of just.... less series about jokes. Gonna be odd
    Has the manga about the student that looks like Michaelangelo's David been translated anywhere?
    I'd like to give that one a try just because the visual got a laugh out of me.

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    That one is for next week.
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    Oh, I thought it was on last week's magazine.
    I'll keep playing the waiting game then.

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    Sorry, my bad, is this Monday's issue, so its up to who picks it up. Some raws should be out there, viz's is out tomorrow.
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