Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

[AGOG]

fucking onemanga personal links new policies(sp)... Try these.


Hancock's "I want"-moment

Not a dream, but a reason to go to hell..

Oh, this one is worse, She wants a country full of slaves! Saint charlos for nakama!!!

1 + 2 aren't dreams.

Third link has inaccuracy around it. Viz, though, translates it as a "dream" only, while the other stuff tend to state it as a compound, "dream country" and don't elaborate on what her "dream" actually is, or it if involves the dream country.

However, the basis for the "dream" being significant is lowly, and nonexistent, since Perona clearly doesn't join a "zombie-able" group when Hogback isn't present; therefore, she's unable to acquire a dream, and wouldn't have that dream prior to Hogback joining. It'd just be a "gag" moment similar to how Sanji wished to have a specific Devil Fruit-- for his "dream" or how Nami wished to buy an island; for her "goal-like" dream.

Regardless, it's difficult to make it apply and eliminate her chances. It is a debatable subject, and I argue the idea that it isn't her "official" dream, which we've yet to be told of it. Personally, I haven't been able to muster the creativity needed to try and make one up for her.

Chapter 600: Zoro arrives at Shabondy, floating on Perona's corpse, which he'd used as a raft for crossing the sea

Wait, would it sink?

Hmmm... I do wish to ask you, why are you even posting this stuff...

Are laughs on the internet so cool!?!? LAFFS!!1

[Zik]

LOL @ "No. It's not his process." when Zephos says it's hypothetical just like yours AGOG. If you can't acknowledge that you've sunken to a new low.

I'll understand if you have no idea what hypothetical means though.

[Superbear 22]

Hmmm... I do wish to ask you, why are you even posting this stuff...

Are laughs on the internet so cool!?!? LAFFS!!1

Really to be honest with you I think popularity on the internet and E-friends are all BS. Fuck Facebook, Myspace, Tweeter, and all that pointless jazz our culture seems to have fascination with these days.

[maxterdexter]

Next point: Crew theme!

A new crewmember eventualy has to answer a few questions in order to trully fit in in the crew, started in an sbs, and Oda is kind of through with these things, every strawhat pirate has to have: An animal, a color, a country and a family member status.

Jimbei:
Whale shark
Deep dark Blue
Japan (same as.. Zoro)
Uncle

Hancock:
Snake (or some kind of bird, let's say Quetzalcoatl)
Little help here! I'll say.. Pink and White
China
Aunt (who wants to fuck the middle son)

Perona
Some kind of owl (for the design of her umbrella)
Pink and black
Japan (anoying representation of japan, a gothic lolitta who wants to have a country full of zombies)
Little sister

[AGOG]

The best I could come up with, really, is that Jinbei will accompany Luffy as far as the next island after Sabondy + crew meetup (which is hopefully the one we've all been waiting on for...a while, now), but he likely won't be joining as a nakama. Having a schichibukai on the team just doesn't sit well with me.

As for Hancock joining, the same reasoning above applies here - she's just way too powerful. Despite a dramatic past, I can't really imagine a good chemistry between her and the rest of the crew. That said, I have NO idea how Oda's planning to reconcile that love sickness she has.

Perona? It's definitely more plausible than the other two, in my opinion, given she isn't insanely powerful. Yes, this sparks the debate over whether or not her ability is broken or not...I don't think it is - try imagining her ghosts sucking the spirit out of someone as powerful as Whitebeard or someone like Shanks. I think her ability has a limit we haven't seen, but of course it's just speculation right now. Do I want Perona to join the crew? No.

Barring all three, the person I want most to join Luffy's crew (if it's going to be someone we've seen in the series so far) is Marguerite. I really enjoy her character and she'd probably get along great with the rest of the crew - she'd marvel at Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji being guys...she'd flip her head at a talking skeleton and a talking reindeer (though given Hancock's sisters turn into snakes, the relationship with Chopper might be less skepticism and more sibling-like), and I'm sure Nami and Robin would enjoy having another female to balance things out.

If they pick up Marguerite here, this leaves the door wide open for the (presumably) last crewmate to be a fishman/woman or merman/woman.

tl;dr - Jinbei and Hancock are schishibukai and might disrupt crew balance, Perona is probably the most likely to join but I still don't want her to. My guess is on Marguerite and a 'half-fish' later on!

Good post.

About the "limit" part, it is true that there might be something of that sort since the Horo Horo no Mi held ZERO explanation about itself, involving actual limits to her ability.

We don't know how her ability can do all that it can do, and we've yet to have it defined and explained how it works the way it does... Furthermore, to help suggest that her power isn't broken, Perona had felt the effects of her Horo Horo no Mi Negative Hollow ability failing, and the damage was felt through her real body, where she'd feel the pain if perhaps a "force" that can damage her negative hollows actually comes in contact with them.

Given this, she'd avoid using it all the time. And we've already been shown that her "human" body can use the mini hollow, special hollow, and any other "ability" without having to turn into Astrial Projection form, which allows her to fight without the need to hide behind stuff...

She's seriously with a ton of mystery around her.

[Insider2000]

Well, the manga leaves it open to the point where it "suggests" that Perona wants to live for something-- despite her being in the situation she was in. She seems to endure anything that happens, and there might be depth as to why she does so...

Well, yes. She wants to live for SOMETHING. But it's not always a dream. Sure, she may want to find purpose because she's lost or something, but that doesn't mean the answer is to join the Strawhat crew.

She could end up in another crew or live on an island of living toys, or something. She could even work along side Wapol and his toy factory.

I think that this sort of "adrenaline" should be evaluated more closer because of all those highly-emotional situations she's placed in; near death, near death again, extreme loneliness, and so on.

Yeah, but the issue is that all of her near death situations have been either comical or just tragic toward her child-like mind.

I'll give Perona the benefit of the doubt and say the depth to her character is that she is mentally unstable and can't let go of her childish mind. She refuses to grow up.

Yes, that is an interesting concept and perhaps Zoro can be someone who can snap her out of it and make her realize that she needs to grow up.

Still, it does not mean she will join the crew. She may say her farewell to Zoro, and just move on toward something greater in life.

She's yet to be put into a "normal" situation and that's the issue.

I agree, and that is the biggest factor against your arguments. I don't think you are 100% that Perona will join. She does have a chance. But based on what we know right now, it seems highly unlikely.

Furthermore, I believe that she's going to play her part if she joins-- she ought to be the "little sister" figure that is childish.

Two issues. First off, Chopper already pulls off the 'childish' foot. Granted, Chopper is highly intelligent in the medical field, but he's highly immature.

Second, Perona doesn't fit any 'pirate' placement. She has no real skills that would make her an potentially useful member.

Oda doesn't need to "show" her past in order for her to tag along with them... He can "do it" later in the story, and connect it to some "future event" that they may need to deal with later on.

Yes. That is true. Doesn't help her situation though.





Understand something:

Now, I don't know if this was a filler episode or something I missed in the manga, but Zoro made an important factor on what 'teamwork' is during the Alabastre arc.

Each member of the crew has a major flaw. However, despite their flaw, they bring forth a benefit that helps the team. I'm not just saying 'navigation, sniping, cooking', but personality and emotional strength as well.

What are Perona's flaws?
What are Perona's benefits?

[AGOG]

LOL @ "No. It's not his process." when Zephos says it's hypothetical just like yours AGOG. If you can't acknowledge that you've sunken to a new low.

I'll understand if you have no idea what hypothetical means though.

Personally, the tone of which he states that is not close to the tone at which I state mine.

You have to see what I'm talking about, seriously...

Really to be honest with you I think popularity on the internet and E-friends are all BS. Fuck Facebook, Myspace, Tweeter, and all that pointless jazz our culture seems to have fascination with these days.

I'm not talking to you when I was typing that.

Since you've stated that "Using Perona's body as a raft is impossible since she is a DEVIL FRUIT USER," the other poster should have known that chapter title was trash from the moment that person even typed it up.

I was just amazed at how the person could even post that chapter title when such a "truth" should be automatic when that crap is suddenly read...

Sorry if I confused you and stuff...

[maxterdexter]

1 + 2 aren't dreams.

Third link has inaccuracy around it. Viz, though, translates it as a "dream" only, while the other stuff tend to state it as a compound, "dream country" and don't elaborate on what her "dream" actually is, or it if involves the dream country.

However, the basis for the "dream" being significant is lowly, and nonexistent, since Perona clearly doesn't join a "zombie-able" group when Hogback isn't present; therefore, she's unable to acquire a dream, and wouldn't have that dream prior to Hogback joining. It'd just be a "gag" moment similar to how Sanji wished to have a specific Devil Fruit-- for his "dream" or how Nami wished to buy an island; for her "goal-like" dream.

Regardless, it's difficult to make it apply and eliminate her chances. It is a debatable subject, and I argue the idea that it isn't her "official" dream, which we've yet to be told of it. Personally, I haven't been able to muster the creativity needed to try and make one up for her.

Direct from the Man: Stephen.
Perona: At last, my kingdom of dreams, where all the cute creatures of the world are turned into zombies that bow to my whims!!

She wants to kill every cute animal in the world, turn them into abominations and make them her slaves. She has only lost part 2, and part 1 is counter productive for them to be able to move and all of that, she now wants a country full of slaves! How heroic.

And 1-2, even if the word "Dream" Isn't stated, if you can read them, you understand that those are the main motivation of their characters, the driving force of their actions, the orientation of their goals and the definition of what they have done in their whole lives. I think that those are caled "Dreams".

[Superbear 22]

Personally, the tone of which he states that is not close to the tone at which I state mine.

You have to see what I'm talking about, seriously...


I'm not talking to you when I was typing that.

Since you've stated that "Using Perona's body as a raft is impossible since she is a DEVIL FRUIT USER," the other poster should have known that chapter title was trash from the moment that person even typed it up.

I was just amazed at how the person could even post that chapter title when such a "truth" should be automatic when that crap is suddenly read...

Sorry if I confused you and stuff...

Its alright man.

[Zik]

Personally, the tone of which he states that is not close to the tone at which I state mine.

You have to see what I'm talking about, seriously...

You both state hypothetical thought processes Oda may have had when deciding to bring back Perona. Both possible. Zephos even says it's hypothetical just like yours is. Your reply is "No. It's not his process" as if you didn't read and can't comprehend what he said. You have no rebuttal so you ignore the question of which of the two are more likely.

The tone don't mean shit when he outright says it is hypothetical. You quoted it (which only had the tone of "DUH IT IS OBVIOUSLY A HYPOTHETICAL I'M SUGGESTING") and still ignored it.

You're a clown. I think you just mad his is the probable one unlike yours.

[Joey]

I voted for the last option. I don't think any of the three will join. Who I think will join would be a new character. And I think this new character would be female, be around 20 to 30 years of age, and would have an eyepatch too.

[Tellon]

I believe Hancock will be the person to join the crew. Why? She can teach Luffy to use Haki of the Kings (or whatever it's called). Also, she can also act as a guide for Luffy.

The Hancocks problem is that she is a ruler of the island. It might be very difficult for her to join Luffys crew. However, I believe she has a lot of potential for growth.


....and she can help other crew members to get stronger too! She training the Strawhats could be a perfect "plot device" for making them stronger and ready for The New World.

[Badass SnoCone]

Yea...I kinda think out of all of those 3, Peroa has the biggest chance of joining.

[Gekko135]

I love this shit. you guys seriously entertain the hell out of me with this.

you should be proud, I could never care to invest this much time into such a topic.

bravo

[Retsudo]

But what about Perona's lack of significance.

[Herodadotus]

I love this shit. you guys seriously entertain the hell out of me with this.

you should be proud, I could never care to invest this much time into such a topic.

bravo

*starts slow clap*

[AGOG]

Well, yes. She wants to live for SOMETHING. But it's not always a dream. Sure, she may want to find purpose because she's lost or something, but that doesn't mean the answer is to join the Strawhat crew.

I'm not arguing that it is a dream without a doubt. I'm suggesting that perhaps it MIGHT BE one... Perhaps, it MIGHT BE important. I'm trying to get you to think over it.

No, it doesn't mean she'll join, but it HOPES to answer the idea that perhaps she has some DEPTH to her, since she has something she wants to LIVE for, which we don't know... Simple?

She could end up in another crew or live on an island of living toys, or something. She could even work along side Wapol and his toy factory.

From what we know now, it seems likely that she'll move to SA with Zoro and then we don't know what's after that.

We can't fully expect her to join the crew, of course, but we could assume that perhaps her leaving what "belongings" she placed on the ship could somehow suggest that she's packing to stay with them, or at least manages to collect those "things" that she left.

Therefore, we could possibly suspect her to at least MEET the whole crew again, if for a little bit... However, we obviously have no idea where she'll go after this since the truth is simple: Moria might be dead, Thriller Bark is DEAD, and Perona is practically "alone" as far as we know.

So, what Oda plans to do with her character is up to him, but I think that he may be trying to set her up as a temporary crew member if not permanent crew member with his use of her character.

Yeah, but the issue is that all of her near death situations have been either comical or just tragic toward her child-like mind.

In her point of view, she's supposed to be shocked, scared, and in constant panic. She's in pain during each of those... So, her emotion is supposed to be "real" regardless of what we, the readers, know.

I'll give Perona the benefit of the doubt and say the depth to her character is that she is mentally unstable and can't let go of her childish mind. She refuses to grow up.

This I don't have any clue to basically "indulge" since I don't know shit about what happened before Thriller Bark. This could be a case where she just acts this way, due to some "trauma" or something, or it could be because she's literally spoiled. I don't know. So, I cannot select what the reason is to her acting like she does.

Yes, that is an interesting concept and perhaps Zoro can be someone who can snap her out of it and make her realize that she needs to grow up.

She possibly is mature and only putting up a facade. We have no room to try and understand this.

Still, it does not mean she will join the crew. She may say her farewell to Zoro, and just move on toward something greater in life.

Like?
Currently, all we know is that Zoro needs to go to SA where his crew is going to be. Surprisingly, she's there too... What happens next is up to the writer; and her joining is possible. Will the author let her? If he planned to remove her from Thriller Bark like he did, purposely placed "stuff" on the ship to force her to join, and then forced her character to be with Zoro for the sole reason of "joining" later... Well, you've probably only got a limited amount of options either way, since there's a lot of unknowns.

But, we know what WOULD happen if Perona joins, and we know nothing at all what will happen if she doesn't.

If Oda is going to "open" this up and leave her in some random place, somehow, then you could argue his use of her character was limited and sort of disappointing... If he ending up continuing this "little girl" type thing where she follows Zoro out of loneliness, it could lead to a future arc or an opening towards some conflict.

Who knows, though...

I agree, and that is the biggest factor against your arguments. I don't think you are 100% that Perona will join. She does have a chance. But based on what we know right now, it seems highly unlikely.

The point of it is that this site seems to suggest that she HAS NO CHANCE and a lot of people here continuously act up due to the thought that anyone that says she MIGHT have a chance, which she does, happens to be an idiot.

It's a little difficult to even try and manage, most of the time. Her case is "currently" the most 'able' character to join as long as she just appears in the story. She doesn't need to have any conflict fixed, because it's already been handled by the author. That's about the only reason why I even seem to think she is the highest candidate to join, or to be able to join...

Two issues. First off, Chopper already pulls off the 'childish' foot. Granted, Chopper is highly intelligent in the medical field, but he's highly immature.

We need an immature female; it's a given.

Second, Perona doesn't fit any 'pirate' placement. She has no real skills that would make her an potentially useful member.

Her position wasn't named yet. She, however, did perform a "position/ role" for whatever Moria put her as, we just don't have a name for it.

If that happens to be something important and needed, she can join. Regardless, she has a duty which she did, similar to how Robin had a duty too, but no other pirate crew had her position available except Luffy's crew.

Perona could be a rare instance like Robin, where what job she does is not of the norm, and quite rare.

Yes. That is true. Doesn't help her situation though.

As long as you don't have negatives, I believe that there's a possibility that this could lead to a character joining... If it doesn't hurt her, then it's all good!

Understand something:

Now, I don't know if this was a filler episode or something I missed in the manga, but Zoro made an important factor on what 'teamwork' is during the Alabastre arc.

Each member of the crew has a major flaw. However, despite their flaw, they bring forth a benefit that helps the team. I'm not just saying 'navigation, sniping, cooking', but personality and emotional strength as well.

We've yet to see what she can offer, but she's obviously able to bring in "pride" and "confidence" since she actually was able to do so during the minor moments she shined at Thriller Bark.

What are Perona's flaws?
What are Perona's benefits?

Flaws:
Naive. That's the biggest one I've got to offer.
Benefits:
Devil Fruit ability.
Experience.
Confidence.
Her personality.


But, above all, the potential that she has allows her to practically do what Robin did, and evolve beyond the norm. We haven't seen her potential yet.

[game2005]

Someone brought it up once, but Robin's role as an archaeologist and historian can prove useful to pirates as well. Let's say some pirates go inside a ruin to look for treasure, and the archaeologist/historian can help them figure out the secrets of the ruin and possibly the way to find the treasure!

It seems very helpful if you ask me. Okay, maybe not in real life because real life pirates are not exactly how medias portray them to be...

[Retsudo]

The Strawhats need an immature female since when.

[MagneticMonkey]

I'm not arguing that it is a dream without a doubt. I'm suggesting that perhaps it MIGHT BE one... Perhaps, it MIGHT BE important. I'm trying to get you to think over it.

No, it doesn't mean she'll join, but it HOPES to answer the idea that perhaps she has some DEPTH to her, since she has something she wants to LIVE for, which we don't know... Simple?

ladies and gentlemen let's focus entirely on perona and ignore that the desperate points we found can be applied to anyone in OP. Classical case of tunnek vision.