Geez, look what you made me do, even though Sandman warned me to not argue with anyone.
I just have to assume you're trolling the thread at this point. You can't seriously believe the stuff you're saying. Watch it from the sidelines from here on out.
Though apparently you two hang out since you're name dropping, so, you and Sandman are probably a good match for each other.
Usopp's crew weren't real pirates, they were make believe ones.
Franky Family weren't pirates at all. Franky joined when he became a wanted criminal, so he was essentially forced to leave.
Brook's crew were already long dead, and he was only acting captain.
That being said, since Oda planned to have Zoro and Brook originally be part of Buggy's crew, so it seems he doesn't have anything against someone abandoning one crew for the other.
At the same time loyalty to your crew seems to have been made a strong theme in OP and leaving your crew for another one seemed to have been portrayed negatively at the Davy Back fight.
Kind of hard to see where Oda is going with that. I personally don't think anybody that belongs already to their own pirate crew is going to join the SHs -especially a captain - but I wouldn't be totally surprised if it happened, and it's hard to tell whether Jinbe still has his crew at this point or not.
But DOES Jimbei have a crew anymore? He's on his own, and the neo-fishman pirates are all kind of assholes, and we know Arlong split from him ten years ago when he became a shichibukai. When he went to jail, he went alone. He's got no ties to Hachi so... who IS in his crew, exactly? No one we've seen, met, or heard referenced yet. Jimbei doesn't talk about anyone he misses there was no one waiting outside (or inside) Impel Down to aid him, no one that shared his belief that Whitebeard must be saved, no one that went to war with him, no one in town to pass his message to Luffy (it had to be the princes instead) no one with him now on the outskirts of town.
I have to assume he's a former captain only, at this point. Anyone that was in his crew, seems to have long since split ways with him.
This could easily change next week if we're introduced to a whole group of people with him at the gravesite (in which case, heaps of new nakama fodder ahoy) , but I haven't seen any evidence of him really having a crew currently. In fact, the opposite, he's always been seen alone, always been referenced as just "Jimbei" and not by "The Sun Pirates" or whatnot.
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The only thing we know is that he and the other sunny pirates left the island, kinda implied that they were together.
Like I said, it'd difficult to tell at this point, but I'm sure it'll be clarified pretty soon.
I know that Jinbe joining would make sense, I'll give you that.
DId they say an entire group was exiled with him? And was still with him? Guess I need to check that.
The two most likely outcome of Shirahoshi are:
1. Hancock ver.2: Another princess candidate for the future Pirate King's harem
2. Vivi ver.2: Another honorary Straw Hat, who may not join them in their voyages, but regarded a nakama forever.
There's Caimie's statement on that to go by from chapter 609:
"...the former members of the Fishman Pirates weren't able to stay on this island any longer. / They all left, together with Boss Jimbei."
I'd assume that these are the members that were being referred to when chapter 546 called him, in no uncertain terms, "Captain of the Fishman Pirates". However, Caimie does say that they're "former" members, which gives the impression that he no longer holds that title. So did he step down when he lost his Shichibukai title, perhaps, upon returning to Fishman Island and realizing that they had to leave it, and his former crew went with him out of respect? But Jimbei does seem to be alone now. So either his former crew are in the Sea Forest with him, or they've gone separate ways now? Either way, it does seem as if Jimbei is not officially the captain any more.
edit: looks like I was a bit slow, though feel free to comment on my analysis of the situation anyway.
Ah, you're probably right about that. It makes more sense now that I look at it with that in mind.IE: All the former members had to leave, including Jinbei. It doesn't have to mean they left together, just that they all had to leave.
Anyway, I'd agree with you on the other thing as well, but that chapter title does make me a bit uncertain still. Now, I do realize that "Former captain of the Fishman Pirates, Shichibukai Jimbei" doesn't have the same ring to it, and maybe the Marine fodder just called him captain because that's what he's commonly known as, but... it still makes me wonder if there couldn't have been a group loyal to Jimbei of which he remained captain after becoming a Shichibukai, while the rest went with Arlong. I mean, I doubt that Arlong actually had all of the former Sunny pirates with him in East Blue, and the way Caimie spoke it gives the impression that they were staying at Fishman Island even after Jimbei became a Shichibukai, but had to leave when Jimbei lost his title because FI can't "officially" harbor them, like Alabasta. Otherwise I dunno what the "had" to leave could've been about.
Yeah, I agree, we'll just have to wait and see. [Forgot to add this in...] While him being referred to as captain is strange if the crew no longer exists or isn't active, that in and of itself might be why he isn't referred to as the 'ex-captain' or 'former captain', as he never stepped down and nobody ever replaced him. In addition to this, I know there have been a few instances where people were referred to by their previous titles despite that affiliation no longer really existing. I know I've named a few in the past, but I forget who off the top of my head. I know Kizaru called Drake "Rear Admiral Drake" twice, and only in the second time did he correct himself by following up with an "oops, FORMER..."
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Well they are calling him boss Jinbe not captain Jinbe so it does not mean he is the Captain still and remember he stopped being the Captain so that he could become a warlord.
Someone else probly became the Captain sure he might have rejoined the crew just not as the Captain.
No, I'm not back. I never left. It's just that it has been a long time since I had something to say.
Jinbe's theme is yakuza. There's no question about it.
Not only is his "Kaikyou" from Ninkyo, a Yakuza honor theme, the "boss" title he is called by is actually "Oyabun", a honorary parenthood title for yakuza.
Those who share sake with the yakuza boss refers him as "father" or "pops", making him a "oyabun", a honorary parent.
Basically a Japanese yakuza version of a mafia's "Godfather".
I damn explained the yakuza reference when Jinbe's chapter title came out years ago, yet some translators simply fail to get the note.
It's OBVIOUSLY a yakuza reference, and not a "knight" reference.
He does have a sort of Vito Corleone vibe.
1. Ace (√), 2. WB (√), 3. BB (X), 4. Perona (√) 5. Boa (√) 6. Jimbei (???), 7. Sabo lives (√), 8. Timeskip (√)
By current 'logic-related reasoning', I don't see anyone in particular who stands out as a person who could join. If anyone is joining, it's more likely to be Jinbei than anyone else, I think. He actually does have a bond with the crew, or at least Luffy. Out of the fishman introduced in this arc, there would be some backstory needed to add anyone in. I don't see Caribou joining, I don't see Shirahoshi joining, I don't see Dekken joining. Hodi doesn't have enough development for me to say yet.
If anyone joins, I think it would be a returning character. Jinbei, being the most likely. That said, bringing into question characters who haven't been around in ages, I would say Gin or Vivi could join, if they were to reappear. Bon Clay, would be possible, were he to reappear. Everyone else seems like an ally or just characters that will never be seen again, and two of those are mindless speculation.
Jinbei or Bon Clay are the only ones I see having a chance, and Jinbei's the only one who's actually been around.
If anyone's joining this arc, it's probably Jinbei.
It seems to be that the Pirates of the Sun are indeed split up. Maybe some of the higher ups are still with Jinbe but as of now, it seems Jinbe is on his own, the rest either retired, or went on to form the several other fractions such as Arlongs crew, Macro's small gang and such.
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