Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

[kaang]

Kishido is playing u guys he downplays Sanji so he doesn't seem like a fanboy. Me and him know he would steamroll Luffy and jenbe.

[Md-Martin]

Wait till Luffy pulls out Elephant Gun on Jimbe

...And crushes him to death. Leading a various problems in the Fishman Island community which loves Jinbe. An immediate backlash against the Pirates will cause them to have to fight until the ship is coated once again, all while trying to rescue Brook, Zoro, Usopp and Pappug. Keimi, Pappug, Den, and Hatchi will most likely have to LEAVE the island for being friends with the Strawhat's. Along with that Shirahoshi will probably be taken by Vander Decken since Luffy and Sanji can't protect her, unless she now joins, leading to them possibly being hunted by Neptune's army. Along with that Luffy is going to destroy the island at some point, making them even worse.

Don't feel like he'll do that.

[I survived the buster call]

No more Luffy-kun.

Well, its a start, I'll grant you that (and I need to ask, becasue I haven't read the entire spoiler thread, but we know for certain it isn't just a translator thing?) But, --just a second before saying his name, Jim'd been taunting Luffy with the lack of results from his training. He was seemingly uninterested in being polite, was he? Or are you implying it was the strength of the blows they exchanged that changed it to "Luffy, I implore you..." rather than "Luffy-kun..?" I still feel that the fact that he is so confident in his ability to stop Luffy from going if he so chooses is an indication that his opinions about him have not yet fully changed. The fight hasn't finished yet, though, so...

[Urouge]

Two separate translations which both use honorifics (mangacurse and mangastream) translated it as "Luffy" instead of as "Luffy-kun" so there's really no reason to doubt it.

[I survived the buster call]

Two separate translations which both use honorifics (mangacurse and mangastream) translated it as "Luffy" instead of as "Luffy-kun" so there's really no reason to doubt it.

Well I don't doubt it, really, just feel that the reason for the change has yet to be proven conclusively. It could be the heat of the moment, yk?

[brennen.exe]

I still feel that the fact that he is so confident in his ability to stop Luffy from going if he so chooses is an indication that his opinions about him have not yet fully changed. The fight hasn't finished yet, though, so...

Oh most definitely. From my point of view this is sort of like a Franky vs. Luffy situation; neither of them is going all out and Oda doesn't want to spoil all of their goodies right here and now. Although Jinbe is sharing very crew-centric moments right now by talking to everyone and connecting with everyone, he is still acting like this is all his cross to bear. I thought what Sanji said was particularly important, that Luffy is taking this matter personally because this is Jinbe's home. Of course the crew being held hostage matters too, but even Jinbe knows Luffy is holding back right now. Luffy doesn't want to fight, look at how frustrated he was on that last page. So yeah, going back to Franky, remember how they seemed like equals at first? Remember how he found Luffy fighting Lucci at Enies Lobby, or how he acted when he saw Zoro fighting Ryuuma? I expect something similar from Jinbe when he finally sees Luffy going all out. Not to the same degree as Franky, of course, but enough to be like, "Holy crap, so this is how much he has grown!??"

This fight though, the way Oda is drawing their face-faults even during the fight... plus Jinbe's mastery of Fishman Karate and it's explanation... it's getting incredibly difficult for me to imagine Jinbe not joining the crew.

[Urouge]

Well I don't doubt it, really, just feel that the reason for the change has yet to be proven conclusively. It could be the heat of the moment, yk?

Oh, I have no idea if it means anything or not, since there could be lots of reasons for it. I'm just fairly sure that it's there.

[igetownd]

I don't think she was either, but I thought it was Oda himself, in some SBS moment, who stated the life expetency on OPworld. Of COURSE older characters will feel the effects of aging--I never denied it, however, life style and it's affects on said life expectency aside, the fact is that if a body is inclined to live to 140 or so, genetically, it won't be showing such vast signs of aging until much later than in our world. 37, 46, these are not old ages. Maybe by 70 they'll be feeling old, and less spry, but I would hazard a guess that WB was considerably older than that when he became ill.

I don't think Kureha is that healthy because of her genes.

All of the Strawhats have top notch talents in their specialties, but for skills that require extensive knowledge, they needed training from a top notch expert. What better expert on extending life than the oldest person in the world?

[I survived the buster call]

I don't think Kureha is that healthy because of her genes.

All of the Strawhats have top notch talents in their specialties, but for skills that require extensive knowledge, they needed training from a top notch expert. What better expert on extending life than the oldest person in the world?

I'm feeling a bit befuddled by your post, sorry. I'm not following what you are trying to say here. I am just making the general point that in a world where the average life expectancy is well over 100, extending up to 140 (according to Oda is an SBS, not according to Kureha, who was an exception even when he said it) that middle aged has to be seen differently than here in our world, where the life expectancy is considerably less.

[Urouge]

I don't think the average life expectancy is that high. Dr. Kureha is just an exception, and exceptions are more exceptional in the OP world. We haven't seen anyone else over 100 other than giants. Whitebeard was an ancient monster who died at the ripe old age of 72.

[igetownd]

I'm feeling a bit befuddled by your post, sorry. I'm not following what you are trying to say here. I am just making the general point that in a world where the average life expectancy is well over 100, extending up to 140 (according to Oda is an SBS, not according to Kureha, who was an exception even when he said it) that middle aged has to be seen differently than here in our world, where the life expectancy is considerably less.

Excerpt from Volume 56 SBS (translated):

R: Oda-sensei. On the cover of volume 54, you say that people can basically live to be 140, but is Kureha alright? (Pen Name: O-baka-san)
O: Ah, right. Now that you mention it, she's 139, isn't she? Well, if we say that the limit for a normal person is 140 years, she's still superhuman, in the sense that she goes beyond other people. So she'll be fine. Also, old people who will die in a year do not walk around in the snow with bare midriffs.

Average life expectancy is unknown. 140 is the limit for humans. Kureha is superhuman.


However, in her case, she has a secret method to youth (and longevity) that she brags about having. That means she didn't let nature run its course and age her body (her face is an exception, she drinks like a sailor). And that means she's one of the best doctors in the world to have such techniques. Chopper had an elite medical education.



In Asian countries, it's often to hear of isolated villages with extremely old people, who live well past 110 years old. Some legends have people living past 130. Thus, Oda setting age limit at 140 is "sensible". And then he breaks it anyway.


Anyway, if age is a problem for joining the crew, Brook solves that conundrum. Age doesn't matter.

[Reyairia]

To be fair, Brooke has been in a somewhat ageless state for the last 52 years.

[Kishido]

Kishido is playing u guys he downplays Sanji so he doesn't seem like a fanboy. Me and him know he would steamroll Luffy and jenbe.

What the fuck are you talking? Luffy is stronger than Sanji for sure

Problem is with the whole Jinbei thing... Some people say he can't join cuz he is too strong and that the monster trio dynamic will be broken and most of the time bring Sanji into it.

"No way Jinbei, a Schibibukai, is weaker than Sanji", "Sanji will be number 4 and he is just a mere cook" and so on.

And now after this chapter some people assume that Jinbei and Luffy are on equal foot, even this little "fight" showed nothing about their true power.

And I still don't understand the problem some people are against a monster 4. It can happen and just add more bad-ass things. Even now the monster trio is close to each other (NOT EQUAL) and if someone of this power would join I see no problems.

But to say it straight... If Jinbei joins I think that Sanji will above him (at land of course) cuz the "rivaly" with Zoro is just too heavy played out

I know back in the past at Water a lot of people thought that Franky will be a monster and a lot said he is stronger than Sanji, based on his fight with Luffy

Hell for a long time some people said that Robin is third strongest...

Anyway... Based on this chapter an the whole interaction Jinbei is now even more likely in my eyes. The little speech from Sanji too him about Luffy carring even mroe, cuz it is Jinbei's home, is a heavy thing. That + the little comedy is very nice

[Deicide]

And I still don't understand the problem some people are against a monster 4. It can happen and just add more bad-ass things. Even now the monster trio is close to each other (NOT EQUAL) and if someone of this power would join I see no problems.

Neither do I. I don't care if someone really strong joins. The only unbreakable rule is that Luffy will always be the strongest.

But to say it straight... If Jinbei joins I think that Sanji will above him (at land of course) cuz the "rivaly" with Zoro is just too heavy played out

I don't think the strength of someone joining will have any meaning to Sanji/Zoro's rivalry. They are butting heads constantly because of their personalities, not because of their strength. It's like they're trying to fight to see who's the alpha male.

Let's imagine Jinbe is stronger than both of them and join. So long as Jinbe keeps his cool attitude and don't keep provoking them, both of them will just ignore (and respect) him. Jinbe's strength doesn't matter at all.

Hell for a long time some people said that Robin is third strongest...

And her bounty is still higher than Sanji's, but everyone knows he's stronger than her.

Anyway... Based on this chapter an the whole interaction Jinbei is now even more likely in my eyes. The little speech from Sanji too him about Luffy carring even mroe, cuz it is Jinbei's home, is a heavy thing. That + the little comedy is very nice

I'm still on the fence. I dunno, something in Jinbe's personality still makes me feel he's not going with the Strawhats. He's interacting with the crew, but I don't find him particularly amusing at that (he's personality is too passive compared to all the others; he's a good guy at heart, and that's it). His chances keep rising, thought I still don't see a reason for him to join the group.

[Davy Jones]

For the love of god, SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD AND MAKE A NEW ONE!!!

[Kishido]

Neither do I. I don't care if someone really strong joins. The only unbreakable rule is that Luffy will always be the strongest.



I don't think the strength of someone joining will have any meaning to Sanji/Zoro's rivalry. They are butting heads constantly because of their personalities, not because of their strength. It's like they're trying to fight to see who's the alpha male.

Let's imagine Jinbe is stronger than both of them and join. So long as Jinbe keeps his cool attitude and don't keep provoking them, both of them will just ignore (and respect) him. Jinbe's strength doesn't matter at all.



And her bounty is still higher than Sanji's, but everyone knows he's stronger than her.



I'm still on the fence. I dunno, something in Jinbe's personality still makes me feel he's not going with the Strawhats. He's interacting with the crew, but I don't find him particularly amusing at that (he's personality is too passive compared to all the others; he's a good guy at heart, and that's it). His chances keep rising, thought I still don't see a reason for him to join the group.

Well Zoro will never be behind someone besides Luffy in the crew. And a "rivaly", they test it always and yell at each other that they will ownt he other wouldn't work that much if someone is inbetween them.

But that is just my thinking. Still don't see the problem and we have nothing to base on about the powers levels after the TS compared to Jinbei

[Deicide]

Well Zoro will never be behind someone besides Luffy in the crew. And a "rivaly", they test it always and yell at each other that they will ownt he other wouldn't work that much if someone is inbetween them.

But that's the thing. Jinbe doesn't need to be between them. Even if Jinbe were stronger/at the same level as them, he'd probably just watch the two bickering and provoking each other, just like Luffy or anyone else in the crew does.

But that is just my thinking. Still don't see the problem and we have nothing to base on about the powers levels after the TS compared to Jinbei

If we go by bounty, Jinbe would be second only to Luffy. But then again, bounties are not accurate measures of strength (Robin's still greater than Sanji's, for instance). If Jinbe ends up joining, he will be in a nebulous place along the monster trio. I don't think we will get a clear answer, but I'm sure as hell that Jinbe is above the "in-between trio" of Robin, Franky and Brook.

[Kishido]

But that's the thing. Jinbe doesn't need to be between them. Even if Jinbe were stronger/at the same level as them, he'd probably just watch the two bickering and provoking each other, just like Luffy or anyone else in the crew does.



If we go by bounty, Jinbe would be second only to Luffy. But then again, bounties are not accurate measures of strength (Robin's still greater than Sanji's, for instance), and the crew's bounties are all outdated by now (and then again, Jinbe's frozen bounty is outdated as well). If Jinbe ends up joining, he will be in a nebulous place along the monster trio. I don't think we will get a clear answer, but I'm sure as hell that Jinbe is above the "in-between trio" of Robin, Franky and Brook.

Well but you know the debates wouldn't be any fun once again... People always talk about Sanji and Zoro being near equal and discuss/flame about it... if suddenly Jinbei will join, which he will, and be stronger than Sanji (Zoro will always be 2nd) this discussion is dead and the whole comparing their feats and the "rivaly" wouldn't get much attention.

I think the 3 of them have surpassed him but Jinbei will still be up with them. But we have waaaay to less to tell it for sure.

[Darker]

Sorry that I have to join the off-topic discussion for a moment

The average life expectancy of normal human in One Piece is 100 years

Because Brogy (or Dorry) stated that Giant tribe's life exp. is 3-times more than human, and it's about 300 years

Problem solved - -

[I survived the buster call]

Hmm. I could see Jimbe joining, being the second strongest, but have no interest what-so-ever in being second in command, thus preserving the status-quo, more or less, of the Sanji-Zoro rivalry, though I'm not sure if that is what will actually happen.