Berserk

[Jekkie]

Pippin of course

[tarrin4ever]

@Robby
I think we can both agree that it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be.

Now I don't have any problems reading subs. I've always been a fast reader. And if One Piece has done anything for me, it's made me very adept at handling subtitled content. At 300 episodes over the span of 3-4 months, it bloody well should've! But there's still a disconnect, despite how small it is and how much my brain is working to hide it. I'm can sometimes read the show faster than they're speaking, I know they're gonna get interrupted by the other character before they do. It's like watching something with the audio a half a second ahead/before the video.

Yes, quite easily. Good acting and bad acting are easy to distinguish, after even a little exposure to a different language. High and lows, grumbles, nuance, screams, whispers, excitement, fright, cries, these things are universal.

Live action japanese tv is full of terrible acting. So is anime. But its still the original intent.

And I'm glad you can. I'd like to think I can, but since I've never taken a japanese language class in my life I wont claim to have expertise on it. Because my brain might just be filling in the gaps for me. I've never read a book where one of the characters phoned in his performance.

Plus there's still the issue with inflection and emphasis. The REEEEALLY hard to hear stuff, and if you're hearing it at that level you might as well switch off the subs because you might just be fluent already.

Spoiler:

Random Naruto Fan: Gawd, narutos eng voice suxxs!! He sounds like old woman buying groceries fukkin dubs suck. The jap version is sooo much better.

Does that still annoy anyone else?

As far as dubs go, I can take them or leave them. At best they'll keep true to the original language, or failing that they may inject enough of their own personality that still fits the show and keeps it just as entertaining. At worse they're fucking 4kids level stupid. Maybe just enough awkwardness that it's distracting or they're just plain boring. Then I'll flip on those subtitles.

But I'll enjoy even a competent dub that can capture just enough of the old show that it's not distracting and lets me connect with the show better than watching it subbed.




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Pippin of course

Oh sweet jesus, they're gonna make him Griffith. I'm calling it now.

[RPGJay]

Actually I can sort of see Yuri Lowenthal being cast as Griffith.

[Gliblord]

Sucks. They completely missed the nature of the original's deadpan humor.
It's like the Japanese take on 30 Rock, someone fucked up.

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Wow that is wow

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Check this out, see what you think of this exploration of Berserk's "believability"

exploringbelievability.blogspot.com/2012/04/analysis-berserk.html

[RobbyBevard]

I do like that people always point to Cromartie as a *great* dub... when its really not. Its a case where ADV has their usual level of Atrociously Dubbed Videos... and it works as camp... in context. Like Springtime for Hitler. It wasn't *supposed* to be that way, it just reached a goofy result by accident. And maybe makes the comedy style easier for american tastes. But its nothing like the original. At all. Nor is it well acted. At all.

It's an adaptation with its own spin on it. But not a good dub.

Goldenboy might just be better in English because of the lead's unique voice, but its not exactly high art to begin with.

Plus there's still the issue with inflection and emphasis. The REEEEALLY hard to hear stuff, and if you're hearing it at that level you might as well switch off the subs because you might just be fluent already.

I'm not. I'm really not.

If *pressed* I can pick out a few dozen words. I absolutely need subtitles to follow the dialogue. But I was able to follow inflection, tone, EMOTION, the first time I started watching foreign film. Tiny nuance comes later.

I can however, watch something as simplistic as say, pokemon, in raw japanese and follow it.

Random Naruto Fan: Gawd, narutos eng voice suxxs!! He sounds like old woman buying groceries fukkin dubs suck. The jap version is sooo much better.

Does that still annoy anyone else?

Not when it's still incredibly true.

I understand people having problems with adult Goku having a woman's voice. I understand that *completely*. But don't for a second try to pretend that Sean Schemmel is actually *good* or *appropriate* for the role (even after nearly 15 years!) let anywhere near the range of Masako Nozawa. With a single Kamehameha or a scream she outdoes him easily.

The fan parody DBZ abridged however, *does* have a perfect English Goku. its not like I'm inherantly against the idea of a voice being in English or anything.

[Chicken]

I do like that people always point to Cromartie as a *great* dub... when its really not. Its a case where ADV has their usual level of Atrociously Dubbed Videos... and it works as camp... in context. Like Springtime for Hitler. It wasn't *supposed* to be that way, it just reached a goofy result by accident. And maybe makes the comedy style easier for american tastes. But its nothing like the original. At all. Nor is it well acted. At all.

It's an adaptation with its own spin on it. But not a good dub.

I agree. It has a certain "so bad it's good" quality that makes it appealing to me. Though it is different from the original, it was refreshing. It is the only dub I have watched that was (though not superior to the original) tolerable, which is why I mentioned it.

P.S. No one could replace Wakamoto as Mechazawa for me.

[tarrin4ever]

Not when it's still incredibly true.

I understand people having problems with adult Goku having a woman's voice. I understand that *completely*. But don't for a second try to pretend that Sean Schemmel is actually *good* or *appropriate* for the role (even after nearly 15 years!) let anywhere near the range of Masako Nozawa. With a single Kamehameha or a scream she outdoes him easily.

Except they (those naruto fan) fail to recognize the japanese voice is not only a 40+ year old woman, but they sound almost EXACTLY THE SAME! You'd be hard pressed to find someone who matched that annoying voice. I think for them, they're too focused on reading the subs (and possessing little understanding of the language) to even notice this.


And yes, TFS freakin nailed Goku. Not by matching the voice, but by capturing the essence of the character. Albeit a bit more exaggerated.

[iMustang]

Found this one the Berserk wiki earlier, and it didn't seem to be posted so I thought I'd share:



Also, Berserk Film's facebook page say they talked to capcom about making a video game tie-in... Not exactly sure what they mean by that but the popular theory seems to be Dragon's Dogma from the people posting on it. They also seem interested in bringing over the soundtrack and having a theatrical release but didn't confirm if they will or won't.

[Zack]

.....It's pretty weird seeing Caska in that dress in a promotional poster considering she only wore it in one chapter.

[Nidhoeggr]

I like the poster, but the fact that we still haven't heard about a new chapters makes me very sad. Miura will most likely publish even less chapters than 2011 at this rate.

[m00n]

.....It's pretty weird seeing Caska in that dress in a promotional poster considering she only wore it in one chapter.

Indeed, it gives the impression that Guts and Griffith fighting over Caska is the central theme of the movie, when it was more an effect rather than the cause.

[Broda]

I just wondered if Kentaro Miura thinks he's immortal or something. Not trying to be offensive here. It's a real Masterpiece, but i just thought about if the series will ever end. From my perspective, the series is quite far from ending and if he releases chapters at this pace, he might not be able to finish it properly.
Miura is 45 years old right now (going to be 46) and when we're VERY optimistic he will release chapters every 3 months. So about 4 chapters a year. Providing that he won't ever get any diseases from old age and will continue this series until he's 85, it gives us 160 chapters to go.
But that's all highly optimistic and still the number of chapters doesn't sound enough imo. And if i'm informed correctly he's working on the tv series right now and has/will have even lesser time for the manga. I'm just really concerned about the series getting the ending it deserves.

What do you guys think about it?

[Hiroy]

Whatever happens, happens. Enjoy the ride.
That's my motto.

[Pookiez]

he releases 1 volume every year so that's about 10 chapters each year. But as Hiroy said just enjoy the ride.

I honestly try to forget about Berserk when it's on hiatus. I'm just pleasantly surprised when it resumes.

[RobbyBevard]

I just wondered if Kentaro Miura thinks he's immortal or something. Not trying to be offensive here. It's a real Masterpiece, but i just thought about if the series will ever end. From my perspective, the series is quite far from ending and if he releases chapters at this pace, he might not be able to finish it properly.

He's said in interviews he's well past the halfway point and on the last third of the story, and the worlds merging was a very, very clear third act kick off point. Assuming his pace gaging isn't as bad as Oda's, and how long the story already is, he's probably got about 10 years left to go. He's also stated repeatedly he doesn't want Berserk to be his only work.

Miura is 45 years old right now (going to be 46) and when we're VERY optimistic he will release chapters every 3 months. So about 4 chapters a year.

He gets more done than that. Its usually a 3 month break, then releases 3 or 4 chapters. (That he was working on during the break. Its a publishing hiatus, not a work hiatus) He usually gets through a volume a year, sometimes more. Plus, thats still plenty young by artist standards. It's not an incredibly physically demanding job. In their 40's is usually when most artists hit their peak.

Providing that he won't ever get any diseases from old age and will continue this series until he's 85, it gives us 160 chapters to go.

Or he can, you know, go until he's 55 at a a volume a year which gives us another 100 chapters, which is plenty to wrap up if from elf land it then launches into the final arc. The entire Golden Age story was about 80 chapters, an it covered years and wars and huge amounts of character stuff and setup. The lost children arc was about 80 chapters, and both halves of Hawk of the Millennium Empire Arc were about 60 chapters each.

And if i'm informed correctly he's working on the tv series right now and has/will have even lesser time for the manga. I'm just really concerned about the series getting the ending it deserves.

Its not like he's going to be personally writing or directing the tv series. At most he's going to stop in the studio once every two weeks to say "use this music" or "do that there". If anything it gets him out of the office and interacting with people, which is good for him. He was involved in the previous anime too, and the series wasn't delayed then.


You seem to be having the usual reaction of someone who just got through the series and is really starting to feel the breaks for the first time, and had the realization that "it's going to take a long time for this to actually finish! It's already been running for as long as I've been alive and that's scary!" Relax. It's a long runner. It'll go how it goes. If the author dies before the end... it happens. But the series is not going another 40 years. Closer to 10. It's nearer the end than the beginning.

It'll probably wrap up around the time One Piece does.

Hey, Wheel of Time is finally going to finish next year, and its been running since 1990, and through the author's death!

[Broda]

Indeed, i finished reading through in december and started to get a little panicky there. But your comments were comforting. When he plans to wrap it up in approximetly 10 years there's nothing to worry about.
Hope the next chapter is out soon.

[Jekkie]

Movie 2 pics, looks like they've improved the CG.

[Unrequited]

I was wondering if anyone had any personal gripes or criticism against Berserk? Just thought it'd be interesting to hear some. I've read it over such a long and disjointed period of time that nothing particular comes to mind.

[Silence]

My gripe is not really so much against the comic (which is stellar) as it is against the publishing schedule. But since I know that Miura is working through the whole thing and it's the magazine that sets the schedule and releases the chapters as they come, even that's not a problem for me. We get them when we get them, and you make do with other series in the meantime.

But getting only a few chapters every once in a while results in the in-between chapters - the ones where it's just Guts cutting up mooks - making me feel impatient for the character driven ones.

[Gliblord]

I wish Casca hadn't gotten raped into insanity.