Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra

[maxterdexter]

Azula's fall was surprisingly dark for Nick, can't believe they pulled it off. How did they get Nick to okay that?

They probably told them that Katara was going to tentacle-rape her, then that zuko was going to burn her head off, and then that appa was going to land on her, repeatidly, and then eat her.

[Thousand Lion-chan]

I would have been PERFECTLY fine with spirit bending... if it had ever been mentioned before the very end. Or if Aang had gone looking specifically for that answer because he had the idea to do it. SOME setup, SOME foreshadowing.

Instead, in the very last episode, its was a case of "Oh yeh, I COINCIDENTALLY met this lion turtle thing two episodes ago, and OFF CAMERA I learned this technique that can cheat what everyone says I have to do." It was a complete deus ex machina in every definition and intent of the term.

And no. Mentioning a Lion Turtle once for half a second in the library in season 2, DOESN'T count. If Aang ahd gone, "Oh look, this book says Lion Turtles were masters of the spirit world, but vanished into legend"... that would at least have been SOMETHING. if it had a cost to it, it wouldn't have been a *total* cheat.

All the problems of that ending and the entire series could be summed up by the fact that it was the last season. The writers had no idea what to do with it so they just crammed in a bunch of pointless filler and ate away the time for relevant development. A shame.

[Md-Martin]

Even if it was planned from the start, the way it was presented made soul bending an asspull. The writers should've better foreshadowed the idea within the story more, even if Aang himself didn't know about it. Though what CU said about Aang being adamant in his beliefs and doing it his own way was what the writers intended.

It's all the worse when I was listening to the commentaries and how one of the biggest themes is working hard to gain your abilities and nothing is just given. Soul bending was pretty bad, but at least Aang had inner turmoil to try to find the answer. Him somehow regaining the Avatar State mid battle was a lazy way for him to win in the end.

Not related but Azula's defeat on the other hand, was well done IMO. It was subtle, but there was a hint of Azula starting to lose her edge even in her last scene before the finale.

What made it worse for me is that Aang never had this problem with killing Ozai during the Day of Black Sun....when he (thought he) had the best chance to get him. I mean you could say he planned to capture him since all that Hakoda was saying was "Aang had eight minutes to defeat the Fire Lord". But once they caught him....then what? The Day of Black Sun was obviously not going to be the end of the war since it was half way through the series, but all of the major problems presented during Sozins Comet weren't present here.

[taboo]

Azula's fall was surprisingly dark for Nick, can't believe they pulled it off. How did they get Nick to okay that?

it's pretty much kids stuff compared to some of the things they've done in the past

[Kareem Said]

All the problems of that ending and the entire series could be summed up by the fact that it was the last season. The writers had no idea what to do with it so they just crammed in a bunch of pointless filler and ate away the time for relevant development. A shame.

I've heard that it wasn't their fault. The filler thing anyway. I've heard that Nick basically forced them to do the filler. Executive Meddling at its finest. And by the way, while the filler was pretty annoying I did find the Beach episode and the episode where Aang couldn't get to sleep, to be quite hilarious.

And on the whole I liked the finale, the only real chink in the armor was the lack of forshadowing for spirit bending. That was bothersome. But almost everything else was great and very satisfying in my opinion. Also the Boiling Rock two parter and The Day of Black Sun episodes were great as well.

Still the cheating around the "Aang has to kill Ozai" dillema and the first half being mostly filler does make it so that I can't really put Season 3 above Season 2 since season 2 was great in that it had practially no filler. That and the excellent writing and characterization. That's just my two cents on the issue.

[Bill]

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I've heard that it wasn't their fault. The filler thing anyway. I've heard that Nick basically forced them to do the filler. Executive Meddling at its finest. And by the way, while the filler was pretty annoying I did find the Beach episode and the episode where Aang couldn't get to sleep, to be quite hilarious.

Nope. The fillers are just the writers way of exploring the world, but really if you look at what the creators said Nick was surprisingly very open to their ideas.

Its really the creators who wanted a trilogy(since they think of Avatar as an epic movie series like Star Wars).

[Gizmo]

What made it worse for me is that Aang never had this problem with killing Ozai during the Day of Black Sun....when he (thought he) had the best chance to get him. I mean you could say he planned to capture him since all that Hakoda was saying was "Aang had eight minutes to defeat the Fire Lord". But once they caught him....then what? The Day of Black Sun was obviously not going to be the end of the war since it was half way through the series, but all of the major problems presented during Sozins Comet weren't present here.

Yeah...these things should've been addressed at least in Nightmares and Daydreams. The commentaries did seem to say that the second opening did allude to Aang being afraid of murder when he went to the avatar state in the North.

For the third season, the only "filler" that I heard Nick asked for was the Painted Lady episode since Nick needed a green episode. The rest of those episodes did have some kind of purpose in the story.

[Md-Martin]

On the one side of my favorite episode("Sokka's Master) is in season 3.

[RobbyBevard]

Sokka's Master would have worked better if Sokka had actually left the group for an episode or two. (He didnt do anything in the next couple anyway, only had one or two lines.) Give him some time to actually learn sword play, instead of apparently mastering it overnight.

But the entire first half of season 3 was filler. Yes, they all did something, but any one of them could be cut without a real loss and we'd never know something was missing. The dancing episode may have been funny with Sokka's beard and all, but... it was filler.

[Samwize78]

I liked how Season 3's first half was filler. But, again, they could've used those episodes to develop the plot more.

[RobbyBevard]

I liked how Season 3's first half was filler.

But if it wasn't all filler then they could have...

But, again, they could've used those episodes to develop the plot more.

yeah. That.

Foreshadowed. Wrapped plot threads. Had a real conclusion. Dealt with repercussions to things. Shown Iroh being a badass. Explained combustion man. Had Zuko in the group for more than 3 stories.

[Gizmo]

But the entire first half of season 3 was filler. Yes, they all did something, but any one of them could be cut without a real loss and we'd never know something was missing. The dancing episode may have been funny with Sokka's beard and all, but... it was filler.

The dancing episode was good for Aang/Katara shipping

But yeah, it would've been better to try to wrap up stories instead of keep trying to bring up new plot points in the 3rd. A fourth season would've been a lot nicer.

[Samwize78]

Hopefully Korra's writers and Mike & Bryan will both be 100% in sync this time around. They said that the series will be filler free, so hopefully this mini-series will have all it's loose ends tied at the end as apposed to Airbender.

[captain usopp]

was that before or after they decided to make extra episodes?

[Samwize78]

Before. So now it's all up in the air unless they answer that question at the Korra panel at SDCC.

[Samwize78]

News from Comic Con! Alison Wilgus tweeted this new picture of Korra riding what appears to be her Spirit Animal. The fabled Polar Bear-Dog that fans have been speculating about.


Also, this Saturday from 4:00 - 5:00 will be the 1st The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra panel in room 6BCF during SDCC this weekend. That same morning the creators themselves along w/The Track Team will be at a signing for a brief period. Hopefully at the panel we will be getting some concrete news.

Edit: Also on sale there (and everywhere else for that matter) is the Lost Adventures comic book collection, featuring all the comics printed in the late Nick Mag, as well as some that never made print due to Nick Mag's untimely retirement. It's a cool 240+ pages for 15$ so pick it up if you have the chance!

[Bill]

Eh, despite Korra having the generic 'tough gal' personality I wonder what her past is and I'm interested with her chemistry with the new villain (who sounds interesting) and her accomplices. I can't wait to see what an old fart Aang has become, and how this series ties together with the old.

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it's pretty much kids stuff compared to some of the things they've done in the past

I meant dark in tone, that's just gross and not meant to be taking seriously(since Zim is a comedy show)

A kid having complex disturbing psychological visons of her mother, that causes her to go bat-shit insane is much more darker to me, that's Evangelion territory.

[Satsuki]

When you say "old fart" I'm assuming you mean when Aang talks to Korra from the Spirit World, as Aang is dead in this series.

Love the Polar-Dog!!! I want a plushie!!!

[Bill]

Ah yes, kinda disappointed with how the creators treated Toph she could have had so much potential but she gets shafted horribly in the last season because apparently the creators wanted a 'trilogy' and she now she kicked the bucket.

[maxterdexter]

When you say "old fart" I'm assuming you mean when Aang talks to Korra from the Spirit World, as Aang is dead in this series.

Love the Polar-Dog!!! I want a plushie!!!

Aang is going to aparear as we remember him, the spirit guides take the form that the person sees him/her self. We can safely asume that Aang would keep his spirit young all his life.