Hm, now it'll take even longer to get a new cabinet.
Hm, now it'll take even longer to get a new cabinet.
I think I'll do myself a favor and skip over the brainless lunacy that is the American right-wing and bring in something relevant to this discussion.
WARNING: LINK LEADS TO THE RAVINGS OF THE RABID ANIMAL THAT IS THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE MINDSET
Between this, Israel, and the police, my faith in the United States of America is effectively in the negative range.
Last edited by RBoar; August 21st, 2010 at 09:55 AM. Reason: I'll delete this post if this has been brought up already.
Side note: The more I hear 'I have no problem with the mosque at other places in NYC but this is sacred ground', it pisses me off more and more. Don't cloak your xenophobia under the veil of a national tragedy. Let that freak flag fly for the whole world to see.
Last edited by SuperJew; August 21st, 2010 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Trying to stay away from talking about Israel because...well...shit's complicated.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Sean Schemmel has an opinion about this - he posted it on his Twitter.
He says America is Xenophobic to Islam because he doesn't see uproar about Cathlolic Churches being built near schools.
And that if you have to think of the Mosque in the very worst way atleast it will prevent further bombings.
Originally Posted by Sean Schemmel
I believe Protestant Churches located near Abortion Clinics would have been a more apt comparison. As for whole 'sacred ground' business: has it ever crossed anyone's mind how hilarious it is to call it such a thing when not a few minutes closer are, at the least, bars and strip joints?
This is anti-intellectual masturbation and pandering of the worst kind.
Last edited by RBoar; August 21st, 2010 at 02:13 PM. Reason: REDACTED BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHO SEAN SCHEMMEL IS.
I'd like to think they are planning something really good to change the way people perceive Islam, if it is so, what better day than that day, maybe they are planning some kind of memorial for those who passed on 911.
If that's not the case I think it'd be really tactless and dumb from their part.
Quick someone call Ja Rule, we need his opinion on this matter.
Last edited by Mugiwara_no_Ice; August 21st, 2010 at 05:18 PM. Reason: Hahaha thank you Dave Chapelle.
Originally Posted by Mohammad Asad
Off topic, but Geeze, But... why do you think standardized tests are good to begin with, never mind wasting valuable class time prepping for them. That whole discussion seems to have been passed over to merely accepting that there’s need for more prep so you can do better on the tests. Argh! A topic for another thread perhaps, but a personal pet peeve of mine.
You speak about these posters being "too young, and too liberal" to understand, as if those things are somehow intertwined, and when they get older they will automatically be less liberal, as if supporting the basic right to freedom of religion is a “liberal” cause to begin with. You mention how you stood and watched (from a distance) as your neighbors died, as if that somehow makes your opinion carry more weight.
Well, If that's the bullshit measure of the value of an opinion on this issue that you apply, here's mine. I am old enough that I was married and expecting when this happened.
My husband worked on Wall Street. He arrived at his stop, Wall Street, which is right behind the historic Church there behind the towers, on the #4 train, a train that was routed under the towers, precisely 15 minutes before the first plane hit. He walked to his office, rode the elevators up, and watched in horror along with the rest of his co-workers, all of Manhattan, all of the country, all of the world... as the second plane hit and the two towers burned--as people jumped rather than suffer whatever fate awaited them inside. He tried to leave, but had to wait out the cloud of dust from falling towers. After the dust settled enough, he walked over 42 blocks north to Grand Central, along the way seeing the havok and chaos of the city that day first hand--saw a woman get run over, and people too glazed with shock and horror to even be able to respond, among other things. Once there he was lucky enough to get a train, and he arrived home, one of the lucky ones. There he was told by me to come in through the garage and strip downstairs before coming up since there'd been reports that the dust could be infected with some sort of micro organisms as some new sort of warfare, and I was pregnant, so as insanely relieved and happy as I was to see my husband arrive home safe and sound, I was also scared of what he could have on his clothes. That fear was not laid to rest for at least a week, as I recall, so we lived in fear of that stuff, just like everyone else who was there.
Does that give my opinion more weight somehow?
I have friends and neighbors who were directly affected in ways very close and personal--it's not my place to give details. Theirs are not my stories nor is it right that my choice on how to respond be affected by them, and it would be beyond arrogant of me to assume I have the right to take on their burden and use it as some sort of holy shield to use in some patriotic holy war against the perpetrators of this atrocity.
The project is slated to be built on property that is not at ground zero. It's two blocks away. Being hit with falling debris does not make it ground zero. There was a ton of dust from those buildings falling, not to mention the smoke and ash--all of that was debris. Are we to start calling every conceivable place that stuff fell "sanctified ground" now? Does that mean I should have preserved my husband’s unwashed clothing as somehow sacred because he had Twin Tower dust on them? Even Westchester, where you say you live, got it’s fair share of dust and ash falling on it when the wind blew in the right direction.
Others here have answered your… ideas far more calmly than I am able to. I feel just as much or more emotion over the events of 9-11 as you, but most of mine is a deep sadness over the changes that day has wraught on my country (yes, amazingly, even though I’m an educated liberal, this is my country, too.)
I had a friend whose Grandfather was in the Italian army during WWII. He was captured by American troops and sent as a POW to Hawaii for the duration. He was treated so well, that after the war he emigrated here. That is the place I want to call home. Shame on you for falling for the cries of spittal faced talking heads who seem to be interested in nothing more than dividing the country into factions. Don’t listen to them. We are all Americans--Muslim Americans are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. We, as Americans, all have common interests and the only way to meet them is to work together. We need a strong two party system—we need each other, and we need to be able to compromise. That requires reasoned intelligent discussion, not name calling and hate mongering. I see none of that. That makes me afraid. Some cultural center a couple blocks from ground zero? Nope, not so much.
Last edited by I survived the buster call; August 21st, 2010 at 06:24 PM.
mugiwara vs. Sean Schemmel, battle of the century.
"The common man is the most powerful man. Long live the proletariat."
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