General Philosophy discussion

[THE SEA]

On the argument about nihilism, my take is, the reason nihilists haven't killed themselves is because...well, that is their instinct. Our instinct. To survive. As a specie.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Question for someone who knows a little Heidegger; Can someone inhere explain "throwness", if you can please? Thank you very much.

[The Beast]

The concept of throwness is basically a rejection of Descartes's philosophies ("I think, therefore I am existing at this moment," etc), the idea that there is a dualist system of the thinker and the observer which exist independantly. Throwness is the idea that we are propelled into an environment that we cannot fully comprehend and it is our finite life that gives us the drive and meaning. We don't begin life as rational thinkers, but rather become so deeper into our lives. So rational thinking isn't a feat humans do well and abstract thoughts are not a natural state.

[THE SEA]

It's a really cool concept.
I learned lots of awesome perspectives, just to forget them and act with my impulse. My rational consciousness has lost interest in basically anything in the world.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Hmmm I heard it somewhere else used differently. I geuss you can't just have an easy answer when talking about these concepts. I'll simply have to go study some Heidegger. Thanks!

[The Beast]

The summation can be difficult. The "thrown" aspect is that humans are thrown the world. Experiences create the events of our lives and they are the personal reality. Maybe that helps a bit?

Are you studying in a class, or just reading up for fun? Because if it's the latter, chronological order is always really important in grasping philosophies fully.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Oh just for fun. And I found an introduction to philosphy talking about it. If I understood it well, like you said it's the aspect that we're thrown into this world without any kind of personal choice playing a role in it, and we make it bearable because we accept that as a fact (that's why it's also called facticity).

[kagexp]

- This test is kinda rough around the edges isn't it... Well fun nonetheless. Hehe, One piece teaches us to be Hedonistic. :D It can't be coincidental that so many people follow that philosophy.

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You Scored as Hedonism Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”


Hedonism
95% Strong Egoism
70% Justice (Fairness)
65% Utilitarianism
65% Existentialism
40% Nihilism
40% Apathy
30% Kantianism
20% Divine Command
10%

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

One piece teaches us to be Hedonistic.

What! Where?

I can't say I know what hedonism is supposed to be. But if you define hedonism as: the goal in life is to have pleasure; then I have some gripes with it.
The thing is: What does the hedonist think about someone who dies before he ever got the chance to have pleasure; Was that human's life worthless?

[THE SEA]

The most horrific combination is Hedonism X Nihilism. "Yeah life is meaningless and morality is total shit so while not have fun and satisfy our animal urge regardless the consequence."
Guro manga is full of such nihilistic hedonism.

[Chocula]

Well, not every nihilistic concept rejects morals. Besides, why would a nihilist want to kill himself? Life is as meaningless as death to him so there wouldn't be anything to gain.

[THE SEA]

Besides, why would a nihilist want to kill himself? Life is as meaningless as death to him so there wouldn't be anything to gain.

If you have no will to live, the obvious result is you will die.
Why would a nihilist wants to eat and finds a job if the person doesn't find any meaning in living?
Well, instinct.
We fail as a specie when we start to prefer what's harmful to us.
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Well, not every nihilistic concept rejects morals.

Moral nihilism, to be specific.

[Chocula]

If you have no will to live, the obvious result is you will die.
Why would a nihilist wants to eat and finds a job if the person doesn't find any meaning in living?

Pleasure or satisfaction? You're right, instincts play an important role but I wouldn't say it's the only thing that keeps nihilists from comitting suicide. You can still enjoy certain aspects of life without believing in a meaning.

[kagexp]

I haven't read up on Nietzsche for quite some time so do correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't it a part of being a nihilist to accept the meaninglessness and then create your own path with your will or something? Like a Greek God or something... And the ultimate goal to live life to the end with no regret?
And a nihilist do things only out of instinct right? Does that mean retaliation, acts of anger or happiness are out of the question? I mean that would be a reaction right?

Btw. Is it just me or are philosophers major hypocrites? Thinking Rousseau and his children here...

[Manny]

I won't bother posting the results, but I got 85% apathy. Probably a small sign of this is my avatar.

[kagexp]

Say, does Charlie Sheen count as a Nietzsche Superman?

[THE SEA]

Nietzsche is not a nihilist. A nihilist doesn't try to perfect himself to give his life a meaning.
In fact, Ubermensch is Nietzsche's solution to save the world from the darkness of Nihilism.

[kagexp]

Okay. :) Sorry if I wasn't clear but what I meant was if CS was Nietzsches kind of Superman or as you say more correctly Ubermensch.
Not that it matters or is that philosophical, just thought it was kinda funny that CS of all people seems fits the criteria for an Ubermensch. But yeah, I don't know enough about Nietzsches philosophy so maybe CS is just nihilistic.

[THE SEA]

There are no boring humans, only bad communicators.

[Sniper King]

I probably won't post much in this thread...I just like reading other peoples' thought, and not saying my own, in fear of making myself look like a fool.
But I guess I can post this.

Hedonism 65%
Justice (Fairness) 65%
Existentialism 55%
Utilitarianism 55%
Kantianism 30%
Strong Egoism 20%
Nihilism 15%
Apathy 10%
Divine Command 10%

Dunno about Divine Command, I'm not religious or anything.