Community

[Silver R. Bolt]

http://www.nbc.com/Comic-Con/video/community-comic-con-panel/1409922/

NBC cut and edited their own high quality version of the Comic Con. Don't be fooled by the inaccurate banner, they're talking Season 4.

[Silver R. Bolt]

http://www.reddit.com/r/community/comments/wtbzs/community_nominated_for_outstanding_writing_in_a/


Its been 3 years guys, and we finally got a nomination for an Emmy, Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series for Remedial Chaos Theory. I feel like we should've got a lot more, compared to Big Bang Theory's 5.


Oh man, Big Bang Theory got a nomination for "Outstanding Technical Direction, Camerawork, Video Control For A Series", its a multicam show... There is no camera work.

[Nex]

This makes me hate the Emmy's even more. I would have rather no nominations at all. I mean they're not going to win after all. They kept Community out of all the big categories. I mean is Writing even awarded during the actual show?

[Silver R. Bolt]

The day Inspector Spacetime fans weep.

[MagiciteKefka]

I just have to pop in quickly and express my feelings.

I'm looking forward to season 4. Especially after Comic Con, the two new show runners seem like cool guys who genuinely cares about the show. That could just be a ploy, who knows, but the cast seems to trust them well enough.

I guess the entire cast will return as well, since we haven't heard anything about that. They are 90% of the humor, so I really don't see how that can fail. I'm still interested about the future of the show, and how especially Chevy and Donald will do in that case. Those are the most likely people to go I feel.

[Shuhan]

The day Inspector Spacetime fans weep.

Wh...what?! H...How could they do this T_T

[Silver R. Bolt]

Because of Community, when ever I get into a fight I like to throw in what I call "Wingers" to take away some of the tenseness of an argument. Right now on Facebook people are arguing over the whole Jim Henson Cick-fi-la incident. I through this out there after stating my opinion.

Its Christian fan-base will remain the same, most of the general public will keep eating, they might lose a few Muppet fans. But for the most part nothing stops people from the norm. I mean we're gonna eventually run out of gas, we're gonna destroy the planet, and we still keep giving Big Bang Theory Emmy's.

Do you guys do that?

[tatermoog]

Behold, probably the worst attempt at referencing Community I've seen: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/9...are-same-show/

[Nex]

Behold, probably the worst attempt at referencing Community I've seen: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/9...are-same-show/

Dude. We are on a roll. Another thing we agree on!

I read that yesterday and just wanted to yell at the author. It doesn't work at all. Community's characters are much more 3 dimensional and developed than the Scrubs crew (though I still do really like the show.)

[tatermoog]

Aw, you had to ruin it.

Scrubs characters weren't any less three-dimensional, just lost track of them by the time the series was over, plus a much more conventional format. Sure, Ted, Laverne, and some of the others were one-trick ponies, but some of the stories they did with Cox especially were pretty damned amazing character studies.

J.D.'s also very three-dimensional. It's just that by Season Seven, almost all of those dimensions suck.

[Nex]

Aw, you had to ruin it.

Scrubs characters weren't any less three-dimensional, just lost track of them by the time the series was over, plus a much more conventional format. Sure, Ted, Laverne, and some of the others were one-trick ponies, but some of the stories they did with Cox especially were pretty damned amazing character studies.

J.D.'s also very three-dimensional. It's just that by Season Seven, almost all of those dimensions suck.

I remember Dr. Cox being very 3 dimensional. But with JD, Turk, and Elliot, it seems like they'd have their moments, but overall it just seemed like the same thing. I haven't done a series watch through since I first did one a couple years ago, so that could be hindering my recall, but I just remember them mainly being one trick ponies.

[tatermoog]

I remember Dr. Cox being very 3 dimensional. But with JD, Turk, and Elliot, it seems like they'd have their moments, but overall it just seemed like the same thing. I haven't done a series watch through since I first did one a couple years ago, so that could be hindering my recall, but I just remember them mainly being one trick ponies.

Again, it had eight seasons to follow the same patterns, so some of the developments got ironed out by the nature of sitcoms. But overall, the arcs for Turk and Elliott--cocky mildly self-centered surgical intern to family man and voice of reason and gawky hyper-competitive rich girl to neurotic but self-possessed private practice doctor--were both very satisfying. J.D.'s was pretty rough and only good if you only remember the high points, and by the end I think Bill Lawrence decided arrogant me-first types were funny: see CougarTown for more examples.

Of course, part of the problem is that each season had that typical amnesia about development. During one season, Cox would learn to be less of an arrogant SOB and care more about his family. Next season, he'd be about a half-step further than he was at the beginning of the preceding season, but that process would begin again. But that's no different from Jeff's constant struggles with arrogance or Troy's journey into manhood that never seem to completely materialize. For all Harmon's vaunted Conrad-Cycles, the characters tend to end up pretty close to where they started as is typical of the format. What's laudable is that he wants them to go anywhere in the first place.

[Nex]

Funny you should mention Harmon's cycles, becaue he actually mentions this in his one specifically for TV:

Instead of an episode ending with change, it has to end with the admission of the futility of change. http://channel101.wikia.com/wiki/Story_Structure_105:_How_TV_is_Different

But his characters changed more than any of the other shows even if Jeff often regressed. Though, at each half season mark he did take a step forward that he never did regress behind again.

This is also my one problem with Arrested Development. None of those characters grew at all. In any way shape or form.

And I totally see what you're saying about Scrubs, and I agree with you. It's also why I hate the idea of shows without set end dates, which is why Community always appealed to me, because to Harmon it could only every be a 4 part story. Or 3 in his case.

How I Met Your Mother has finally set a date that they have to meet the mother by otherwise all continuity the show has will be shot to hell, as Ted has to have a daughter by 2015, which means he has to have met his wife by 2014.

But yeah, it's a standard problem for tv shows in general that have any semblance of an over arching story.

I do remember some of those things about Scrubs, but only now that you mention them.

[tatermoog]

...just wanted to say it should have been Campbell-Cycles.

:(

[Nex]

...just wanted to say it should have been Campbell-Cycles.

:(

XD I didn't even notice that either.

[tatermoog]

Thought occurred to me the other day when I was getting ready to make a different point: you know who really deserves a helluva lot more of the credit for Community than he gets? Joel McHale.

And yes, I know, he gets plenty of attention, but bear with me. This show was largely picked up as a vehicle for Joel McHale, and it's pretty clear for the first ten episodes that he was supposed to be the main character with a bunch of loonies surrounding him. Really, at the time, he was the only one with any star power whatsoever, with Glover still a bit of a niche favorite and Chevy Chase not having done anything good for years.

However, when the other actors proved to be much stronger than expected and when Harmon pulled the show away from the focus on Jeff, I never had a peep out of McHale. If anything, he's ended up being the ad man for the rest of the crew, getting them dozens of appearances on The Soup and being extremely gracious about the rest of the cast whenever he's complimented.

For a guy that made his living being a bit of a tool on E!, that's unexpected.

[project1980]

Forgot about the DVD this Tuesday.

[Silver R. Bolt]

Got the DVD yesterday. I was a little sad to see that the set has been dropped down to 3 disc. The cover case might be ass but the actual DVD cases are pretty neat. They're NOT AS detailed of season's past, with what looks like only the Dean writing on everything.


Remedial Chaos Theory and Competitive Ecology order has been swapped to reflect the production order. Same with Urban Matrimony and the Sandwhich Arts and Corroboratory Impressionist. Thought interestingly enough Digital Estate Planning remand in an awkward spot.


Speaking Digital Estate Planning commentary, Dan makes joke about how the Season 1 commentary was him saying everything, but season 3 is just "this is an episode" and the Commentary isn't as interesting or informative as I'm used too. But I've only watched a few random episodes and not the full season worth of Commentary so I might be speaking too soon.

[andre]

Thought occurred to me the other day when I was getting ready to make a different point: you know who really deserves a helluva lot more of the credit for Community than he gets? Joel McHale.

And yes, I know, he gets plenty of attention, but bear with me. This show was largely picked up as a vehicle for Joel McHale, and it's pretty clear for the first ten episodes that he was supposed to be the main character with a bunch of loonies surrounding him. Really, at the time, he was the only one with any star power whatsoever, with Glover still a bit of a niche favorite and Chevy Chase not having done anything good for years.

However, when the other actors proved to be much stronger than expected and when Harmon pulled the show away from the focus on Jeff, I never had a peep out of McHale. If anything, he's ended up being the ad man for the rest of the crew, getting them dozens of appearances on The Soup and being extremely gracious about the rest of the cast whenever he's complimented.

For a guy that made his living being a bit of a tool on E!, that's unexpected.

I don't think the show would have survived if it was all Jeff like most of the first season. Abed and Troy needed to take over!!

[Taggerung]

I don't think the show would have survived if it was all Jeff like most of the first season.

Yeah Jeff was a problem. He was an awful person in need of some fixing and while the first season looks at that a lot I think the show matured greatly when it showed that even the people trying to fix him had their own problems. I don't think the show needs to be about any one of the characters in particular. At this point I think they're all good and interesting enough to share the spot light but that takes really good writing. Really I never saw Joel Mchale as having any star power. The Soup airs on E!. Who watches E!? I sometimes saw clips of him on the internet but he was never the type of actor or even the type of character that could prop what community has become on his shoulders. If he's not saying anything about it it's because he knows it and it's not like he's been written out of the show, not even close to that.