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    That was a good finale, I'm loving this series. I'll most likely try to pick up the comics eventually, and I'm half tempted to order the first season. The beginning of the episode was great to see too, though it took me a second to figure out what was happening because of the change.
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    I thought the finale was pretty bad. The way the CDC was set up was asinine. "Once the generators go out, let's just program the building to self-destruct. GENIUS!"

    Aside from black lady biting the dust, Shane nearly raping Rick's and getting a few hints about the whole epidemic, there was hardly any development. And I'm sorry but the writers need to cut back on the melodramatic bullshit. The test subject being the doctor's wife was so predictable and the execution of the reveal came across as forced.

    Hell, I'd go as far to say that the CDC in its entirety was forced. I'm not usually one to be nitpicky when it comes to TV shows. I usually just sit back and enjoy, plot issues be damned. But the flaws in this episode were just too big for me to ignore.

    Oh, and the whole talking computer deal was pretty lame.

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    Dr. Jenner: Whisperwhisperwishper
    Rick: You don't honestly expect me to believe that?
    Dr. Jenner: That's up to you.

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    It did feel a bit... underwhelming. We didn't get an explanation or a solution, Jenner was really vague about everything. I was expecting a lot more, but I'm hoping they will have another season that will make up for that ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Monotone View Post
    I thought the finale was pretty bad. The way the CDC was set up was asinine. "Once the generators go out, let's just program the building to self-destruct. GENIUS!"

    Aside from black lady biting the dust, Shane nearly raping Rick's and getting a few hints about the whole epidemic, there was hardly any development. And I'm sorry but the writers need to cut back on the melodramatic bullshit. The test subject being the doctor's wife was so predictable and the execution of the reveal came across as forced.

    Hell, I'd go as far to say that the CDC in its entirety was forced. I'm not usually one to be nitpicky when it comes to TV shows. I usually just sit back and enjoy, plot issues be damned. But the flaws in this episode were just too big for me to ignore.

    Oh, and the whole talking computer deal was pretty lame.
    All that stuff was development. I don't think this is the type of show you think it's going to be. I'm glad we didn't get answers from the CDC. This is about survival. They're not going to find some miracle cure and solve everything. They're basically going to deal with the mental and physical stress of the zombie apocalypse like real people, not super heroes.

    Really short of something like resident evil what did you want to happen down there. What would've made the show more interesting...

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    Theory that I would hate to happen.
    Rick died in the hospital, he's a new type of walker, still has the blue shit the doctor showed.

    Or
    Spoiler:

    His wife is pregnant, something we know happens in the comic, which at this moment should be taken as a grain of salt seeing Shane was supposed to die ages ago.


    That's all I can see the guy whispering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordzeb View Post
    All that stuff was development. I don't think this is the type of show you think it's going to be. I'm glad we didn't get answers from the CDC. This is about survival. They're not going to find some miracle cure and solve everything. They're basically going to deal with the mental and physical stress of the zombie apocalypse like real people, not super heroes.

    Really short of something like resident evil what did you want to happen down there. What would've made the show more interesting...
    Yes, all of that was development, but it wasn't enough development. Or rather it was development that could have happened without all of this CDC stuff. I'd say that they could have used another cliche and just have the survivors find an abandoned science facility and come across some transmission stating how screwed they are. That could have served as a more efficient way of handling that plot point IMO. Perhaps one of them would do something dumb and call the attention of a whole mess of zombies and one of them would have to distract them. The black lady agrees to do it since she's tired of all of this survival nonsense and gets devoured by the zombies as the group reluctantly drives away. Yeah, that's also pretty cliched but it's far better than "BOOM BIG EXPLOSION" and it would certainly add to the helplessness of the situation.

    I am not expected the group to be superheroes, in fact, I want the opposite. I want them to traverse the country with no idea as to what's happening around them. As sadistic as it sounds, I want them to screw up from time to time in such a way that they pay dearly for it. I want the odds to be against them: no science facility, no vato nurses, just them trying to scramble for food and water. I'm not looking for Resident Evil fare type of stuff. I'm looking for a slow descent into madness in which there may be no escape from. I would be perfectly content if they never touch upon the cause or the cure for the zombie apocalypse. Just the suspense and the tension that would accompany the group as they try to survive the zombie apocalypse is enough for me. So yes, as you said, this is about the physical and mental stress of the characters and it could be done without shoehorning that horrible cliche of "WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?"
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    The CDC was necessary to get the whole "maybe there's a cure" thing out the way. It makes their journey seem worse because we as an audience won't keep wondering when the dues ex machina is coming.

    There is no cure. No chance for things to be like they were. Now, the group has to live with that knowledge and still find a way to survive.


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    Ok, that makes more sense, but I guess for a finale I was hoping for a bit more. I really need to read the comics though. I swear I've seen them at the comic shop at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nectar View Post
    The CDC was necessary to get the whole "maybe there's a cure" thing out the way. It makes their journey seem worse because we as an audience won't keep wondering when the dues ex machina is coming.

    There is no cure. No chance for things to be like they were. Now, the group has to live with that knowledge and still find a way to survive.

    exactly. I don't even get how you got "what has science done?" from that episode Monotone. The guy at the CDC didn't know anything. He didn't know what caused it or how to stop it or even what it was. He was basically say i'm the savior you were hoping to find and i'm just as clueless as you.

    Obviously there are going to be some cliches, there's only but so much you can do with a zombie apocalypse that this generation hasn't seen before but it was nice to see all the characters letting their hair down for a couple of moments. If all that had happened in some abandoned place with a machine instead of an actual person we would've never seen Rick's confession that he didn't believe anything was left. We also would've never seen the human side to the scientist struggle to combat whatever the zombie stuff is. So are you saying had the finale done it your way you would've said it was a great episode or would you have just come here and complained about cliches again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordzeb View Post
    So are you saying had the finale done it your way you would've said it was a great episode or would you have just come here and complained about cliches again?
    A bit of both actually . Also Nectar's right, it did serve as a means of showing that there was no cure and they were screwed. As for the "WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?" part of my post, that was some huge word jumbling on my end. I meant to say that most zombie films/shows/whatever have this huge science facility and that sole scientist that's trying to find a cure.

    Meh, still didn't like it though. It just felt weak to me, like it needed some kick. The television equivalent to hot sauce if you will. But hey, different strokes, different folks yadda yadda.

    The talking computer was still pretty lame.
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    Alright...I'm going to have to be the killjoy.

    This show drags on WAY too much. And if that WAS the season finale, what a bullshit season finale.

    Spoiler:

    -I could not care less about any of these characters. Glenn is by far my favorite, and possibly the only person I don't want to die. Anyone else, I don't want to die either because they are a child, and seeing a child die is depressing.

    Rick annoys the shit out of me. Shane turned from redeemable to rapist, which REALLY writers....REALLY!? I was cheering him on when he beat the shit out of that son of a bitch wife beater, but now he's trying to rape the main guy's wife? What the fuck?

    "Blar! My best friend is back, and I was happy having sex with his wife. But now that my best friend is back, I don't get any sex and nobody is listening to me anymore. So now, I'm going to be the most irredeemable character next to the racist!"

    Lori is okay. She seems to have a brain and is the actually median between the two cops. I'd say she's my third favorite character. First being Glenn, second being the black chick, but she's out of the picture now.

    But everyone else (including Shane and most likely Glenn) is just fodder. No one interests me. Yeah, I felt bad when one of the sisters died, but it didn't really move me. I could have cared less about that one guy who was biten and left at the tree. And my God, they are REALLY dragging out the red neck guy with one hand making his return.


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    First, you barge into this scientist's place, eat his food, drink yourselves to a stupor, and then you scream at him for answer. Most redeemable characters EVER!

    Then, we create some bullshit that Dr. Jenner, BECAUSE HIS LABRATORY IS BLOWING UP, has given up all hope on the survival from this apocalypse. Right. Cause he can't move from where he is WITH THE KNOWLEDGE he has to another facility that could possibly have a working generator, and start again. What fucking sense does that make?

    You're a scientist! You've just gained dozens of meat shields to transfer you from one lab to another. Use them to capture zombies to use a live sample to find the cure. Be their medic. Contemplate surviving. GET THE FUCK TO FRANCE YOU FUCKTARD!

    "NO! I go down with this place because that's how it goes for me! There's no hope so why bother trying!"

    If you found the fucking cure once, you'll fucking find it again!

    And of course, Shane is now the most irredeemable fuck next to the racist brothers after this episode. That's what you get for going back to your comatose best friend, and protecting his family from the zombie apocalypse. Granted, he's an asshole for attempting to rape Lori, but the writers made the nonsensical development of character.


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    I'm sorry. I know I'm bitching relentlessly, but I have five friends confronting me, telling me this is the greatest series ever created, questioning my liking of this series, and I just don't see it.

    And that's just it. I really don't see it.

    I fucking love zombies, but my God, are these survivors unappealing to me. I barely care about their survival. There are hardly any zombies in half of these episodes. We spend five minutes with a bullshit, unneccessary discussion just to point out development and character relationships. Why? To kill them later and get a reaction from us.

    You want to know why that doesn't work? Characters die every five fucking minutes. Stop using shock deaths to make us keep watching!


    You know what would be nice? A zombie survival series dealing with 4-6 survivors, each with awesome-great personalities all sticking together. They'll run into a few other survivors who might not make it or split away from the group.

    AND IF SOMEONE DIES, it is on the season finale. And it is ONE CHARACTER who dies, and that character was redeemable, and not a rapist. And when the character died, the character showed no regret upon their choice and was happy to be with the team.

    I'm sorry. When people die every five minutes, I really don't care. This is just like Heroes. Why should I give two shits when the writers are just going to kill everyone off anyway.

    "What this? Matt is having a romance with super speed chick?" DEAD. Nothing. "Huh? Black chick possibly has a chance to be an interesting character outside funny and smart quirks?" Nope. Sorry.

    I want to watch a series with a collection of interesting characters. Not a collection of fodder.
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    I'm sorry. When people die every five minutes, I really don't care. This is just like Heroes. Why should I give two shits when the writers are just going to kill everyone off anyway.
    Spoiler:

    Morgans son Duane dies, Shane dies, Carol dies, Lori dies, Dale dies


    But some of this may not happen, they are straying from the comic, however, they still have some small key events happening.
    Spoiler:

    But the thing is, the show/comic is called The Walking Dead. It may be a show about zombies, but it's really about those who aren't dead. The survivors are The Walking Dead. The show is meant to put the fear of survival into the viewers mind, but so far, except for a few episodes, this season hasn't done it that well. Whether we like it or not, the show is about Fodder. Interesting characters who die off quite easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanialG View Post
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    Morgans son Duane dies, Shane dies, Carol dies, Lori dies, Dale dies


    But some of this may not happen, they are straying from the comic, however, they still have some small key events happening.
    The Deaths:
    Spoiler:
    Duane dying is sad, mostly because I think that means Morgan will most likely have no reason to live. Losing a child is sad, no matter how bad a story can be.

    Shane, not only did I know he'd die, I can't imagine him living long next season.

    Carol dying is a bit sad, due to her daughter. I'll admit it will suck when she dies.

    Lori would suck to die, especially if she is pregnant. Did she die while she was pregnant?

    Dale would kind of suck, but it would not be anything that would crush my soul.


    If anything, I think Lori and maybe Carol would be the only members of that group to survive.


    Spoiler:

    But the thing is, the show/comic is called The Walking Dead. It may be a show about zombies, but it's really about those who aren't dead. The survivors are The Walking Dead. The show is meant to put the fear of survival into the viewers mind, but so far, except for a few episodes, this season hasn't done it that well.
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    And I respect that. I'm not asking for the story about zombies.

    I'll respect that it is trying to bring fear to the thought of zombie survival, but with the exception of the conclusion of episode 4, it hasn't really given me an emotion close to fear.

    I won't bash the comic, since I haven't read it. But the delivery of this comic as a television series has been pretty crappy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insider2000 View Post
    The Deaths:
    Spoiler:


    Lori would suck to die, especially if she is pregnant. Did she die while she was pregnant?

    Comic book spoilers

    Spoiler:
    Lori does gives birth but later on she's running with the baby and gets shot causing her to fall over crushing the baby, so they both die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltabrain View Post
    Comic book spoilers

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    Lori does gives birth but later on she's running with the baby and gets shot causing her to fall over crushing the baby, so they both die.
    Spoiler:

    Damn! That's cold!

    I don't think that would be shown on television though. That's pretty dark to be shown on television.

    Something tells me that I should be reading the comic instead of watching the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insider2000 View Post
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    Damn! That's cold!

    I don't think that would be shown on television though. That's pretty dark to be shown on television.

    Something tells me that I should be reading the comic instead of watching the show.
    Spoiler:
    They've also implied that the child was actually shanes instead of ricks.

    Theres many things that have happened in the comics that would be too dark to show on television, I mean the first arc of the comic ends with carl killing shane.
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    Reading a wikia on the series.

    Damn, there are a ton of shit that most likely won't make it onto the show. Why didn't they make this an HBO series?

    This stuff is grim as hell. THIS is something I can understand as 'the fear of survival'. This sort of stuff would scare the crap out of me.

    Not fond of the artstyle of the comic, but hey, it's a horror about zombies, beauty isn't really necessary.
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    Carl killing Shane made Carl go down a path of getting fucked in the head, he killed one of the Twins(comic only characters), Shane, he protected his dad from zombies, he's growing up in a world that should otherwise give him traumatizing fear. I think that's what makes his character important.

    If Breaking Bad can show a kid kill a drug dealer, then die himself, then The Walking Dead can too.


    As for something else I'm questioning actually happening here..
    Spoiler:
    Will Andrea end up with Dale like in the comic? Or will it be more of a father figure type relationship, where he protects her at any cost. Amy and Andrea in the tv show to me seems more like they're his kids he never had.


    There's tons of gruesome deaths that I hope make it into the show.
    Spoiler:
    The Prison, I just really want it to happen. Tyreese was one of my favorite characters, dying a death I feel is just as horrifying as Lori and her daughter. Beheaded.


    One of the things I like about the tv show, is the make up department. It's professional quality, especially the bike girl.

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    Damn, I really shouldn't have read all these spoilers...

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