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    I remember quite a chunk of the 4th book being faily pointless (outside of the Cersei, Jaime, Iron Island and Dorne stuff most it was just "Sam's on a boat!" "Arya's training!" "Brienne's wandering around!" "Sansa Littlefinger's being awesome!" It was entertaining enough but I felt a large part of it could have been edited out.

    Which doesn't bode too well for the 5th book when it does get released.

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    Can someone tell me what this is about (and why it's excellent)? I'm getting interested...

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    It's a massive fantasy series (like Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, etc. etc.) with an enormous cast of characters. Despite being a work of fantasy with dragons and magic and monsters and all that, the fantasy parts are very few and far between and mostly serve as creepy, mystical shit that happens beyond our view (i.e. people aren't conjuring fireballs to cook their eggs in the morning). For the most part it resembles a medieval political thriller about controlling land and inheritance squabbles and war--hence the title of the first book, Game of Thrones.

    Even though many characters are relatable and sympathetic, virtually every one of them is a shade of gray, not black or white--and the few that are that extreme are usually swayed toward the other direction over the course of the story. Innocence is corrupted, evil is humanized, and so on. Also, the author pulls no punches: many central characters die and it is often shocking when they do. It grabs you much harder if you emotionally invest in the characters because you cannot assume everything will turn out fine in the end, like in most cheesy fantasy.

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    That sounds pretty damn awesome. It's like a Joss Whedon story for adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airflow View Post
    I remember quite a chunk of the 4th book being faily pointless (outside of the Cersei, Jaime, Iron Island and Dorne stuff most it was just "Sam's on a boat!" "Arya's training!" "Brienne's wandering around!" "Sansa Littlefinger's being awesome!" It was entertaining enough but I felt a large part of it could have been edited out.
    I agree. Although I did enjoy AFfC, the absence of certain POVs were definitely felt while I was reading the book, while others (Brienne, Sam) just felt drawn-out and somewhat lackluster; most of the information gleaned from these characters probably could have been condensed in fewer chapters. I have to say I found the continuous POV-hopping in the Iron Islands to be a little off-putting, although it's good that this area is getting an inside view, so to speak (and the same goes for Dorne). I did enjoy reading Cersei, Jaime, Sansa, and Arya's segments quite a bit, although Arya's chapters felt more like a tour of Braavos, while Sansa was really only intriguing due to the machinations of Littlefinger.

    AFfC is by the author's own admission half a book and sadly, that is pretty much how it reads. Hopefully the 5th installment won't feel quite so disjointed. The introduction of certain new POVs in the next book certainly look promising, as does the return of other, more crucial characters, so my hopes remain high that it will live up to the standard the series has set for itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    That sounds pretty damn awesome.
    It is, and stephen is spot-on in his summarization. The books are well-written, sophisticated, richly detailed, and very intriguing.

    My only complaint, besides the delays, is that the series is starting to grow a little too large for its own good. I don't want to see this series go down the road that Jordan tread. That aside, it's definitely a series worth checking out and one that I would gladly recommend to anyone, regardless of their interest in fantasy.


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    Yeah, and there are a few caveats:

    - the books are enormous, so it'll take you a long time to get through them, BUT:
    - they're so addictive (especially the first three) that it'll destroy your ability to focus on anything else until you finish them, BUT:
    - then once you're done, you're stuck in the same boat with all the other people who have been following the series from the start and have only had one book to read in the last ten years (TEN!)

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    I would honestly love to post in this thread, but I am deathly, deathly afraid of spoilers.

    I... I want to marry this wonderful series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airflow View Post
    I remember quite a chunk of the 4th book being faily pointless (outside of the Cersei, Jaime, Iron Island and Dorne stuff most it was just "Sam's on a boat!" "Arya's training!" "Brienne's wandering around!" "Sansa Littlefinger's being awesome!" It was entertaining enough but I felt a large part of it could have been edited out.

    Which doesn't bode too well for the 5th book when it does get released.
    I think it was supposed to be give us an idea of what life is like for the peasants or something... It was a bit of a disappointment after the first three books, but it wasn't all bad. Cersei's stupidity was fun to read about.
    The fifth book should be more interesting, judging from the spoiler chapters that have been released so far.

    Anyway, I don't really think the TV series will do justice to the books (like any adaptation ever has...) but I guess it will be something to watch while waiting for A Dance with Dragons (I've been waiting since 2005).

    Quote Originally Posted by Dervish View Post
    I don't want to see this series go down the road that Jordan tread.
    Jordan's series wouldn't be half as long without the braid-pulling and in-depth descriptions of dresses. Such a bad series...
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    Fun news guys.

    They're filming the movie in my country:D

    Oh and there's a shitstorm about them destroying an environmentally protected area during shooting.
    http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...wejra-disaster

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    IT's also fun how in this series, the closer to God-like status a character gets has NOTHING to do with their phisical strength or prowess in battle or anything like that. Littlefinger is the most broken character in the whole saga by far, and he's done everything just with his cunning acts and charisma and intelligence.

    But since I'm a classic Hack & Slash kind of fantasy fan, I'm really anxious to see how kickass Arya will get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicken View Post
    Jordan's series wouldn't be half as long without the braid-pulling and in-depth descriptions of dresses. Such a bad series...
    Don't forget "arms crossed beneath her breasts." I swear, he had that one phrase on auto copy and paste.
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    Fantastic books. Waiting for the tv series!


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    Someone once told me that if I loved the plot/characters in Dragon Age so much that I would adore this series. Is that true?

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    Don't forget "arms crossed beneath her breasts." I swear, he had that one phrase on auto copy and paste.
    I have to give him props for writing the most annoying female characters in any work of fiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    Someone once told me that if I loved the plot/characters in Dragon Age so much that I would adore this series. Is that true?
    I can't really see that many similarities between the two, tbh. This series is much more "low fantasy" than Dragon Age. Give it a try anyway. =]

    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I've been keeping myself occupied by reading the Malazan series. Now THERE'S a guy who can write a shitload of good, solid content in a short amount of time.
    I missed this post before. Did you hear that he just finished book 10? The guy is a machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    Someone once told me that if I loved the plot/characters in Dragon Age so much that I would adore this series. Is that true?
    It's a fantastic series all around, regardless of what other stuff you like..

    But it might also never reach its ending, what with the ONE book coming out in the last 10 years.

    The hope is that the massive writers block came from deviating from his original plans, and that after book five, he'll slide back into a better pace and get one out every 2 years again so we'll have all 7 by say, 2015. ...That's the hope anyway.

    But as good as the series is... Don't get into it just yet.
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    So you're telling me to wait until the rest of the books are out?

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    I'm doing a replay of through Dragon Age: Origins right now Satsuki, and honestly, some characters / plotlines in it feel like they were downright homages to the Song of Ice and Fire series. Robby says wait, but I say don't. It's A++++++++ goddamn fantastic stuff that doesn't pull any punches and is short on "a wizard did it" cop-outs. Even if you expend yourself on the main series, there are a edit: a few sidebooks and novellas set in the same world.

    After reading the Name of the Wind and A Game of Thrones my standard for fantasy novels soared to hithertofore untold heights. It's the goddamn bar.
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    There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.

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    That'd be my suggestion. They won't get any worse with time and they'll still be excellent and new to you later, (and it really is a fantastic series) but the wait will go away... if it ever finishes. In five years, it'll still be really good books... with an ending... maybe. Right now? Its four fantastic books that may never finish. (He swears up and down book 5 is nearly done, and so does his editor... but he was saying that in 2006)

    There's more than a few cliffhangers at the end of book 4 that have been dangling for a few years now. I started the series back in college so I was caught up when book 3 came out. One book in the 10 years since then has REALLY sucked. I'm patient, but... that's reeeally pushing it.
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    Oh wow. It's been that long?

    ...On second thought.... :|
    Quote Originally Posted by Wagomu View Post
    There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.

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    Yeah. The first book came out in 1996, the second in 1998, and the third in 2000. Two years apart is a fine and reasonable pace for ongoing novel series of that length and quality

    Then the fourth wasn't till 2005, and the fifth still isn't out, even though 4 was split in half to accommodate it.

    A quick wikipedia check says A Feast for Crows was November 8, 2005. So yeah, almost exactly five years ago now, and there's still no announced publication date, so even if he finished tomorrow it wouldn't be for another 5 or 6 months. One book in 10+ years is a really lousy pace. ESPECIALLY when it has cliffhangers and isn't self contained.

    Its been long enough I'll probably have to reread the whole thing when the next one gets announced, its been nearly that long since I read the first book.
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