+ Reply to Thread
Page 996 of 996 FirstFirst ... 496 896 946 986 994 995 996
Results 19,901 to 19,911 of 19911

Thread: The Nintendo Thread

  1. #19901

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Exorcist95 View Post
    And how exactly does that affect you? How does that justificate that stupid thing that you wrote?
    Because your response is just as childish, you basically are insult someone just because of his opinion. If they want to spend their money on this, well is their problem, not yours.
    What people decide to pay for or not dictates to a company what they do or don't do. When you tell a VIDEO GAME company that you'll buy their products whether it's a quality game or simply a tech demo with cardboard boxes, that just sends the message that they ultimately do NOT need to actually give any fucks about the quality of their games.

    It's the whole bit of economics people don't think about when they keep wondering "but people have fun, what's wrong with this?" without realizing that supporting weaker products discourages investment in more robust experiences. Especially in a video game industry rife with high-profile companies intent on finding bullshit ways to gouge money out of consumers who ultimately just want quality games.

    I also fail to get why people WANT to pay for these when, for lower, much lower prices, they could pursue equally (or more!) creative alternatives for their kids. The gimmick of Nintendo selling this to surround their current system is just that, a gimmick, and people who defend it because "it's fun for kids" are not looking at the reality that this is not a sort of idea that kid toys are exactly lacking in.

    Furthermore, you also come from this entitled opinion that what anyone might think about what Nintendo does is equal to anyone, where to some of us discussing what video game companies do is something we do and think about as a career and life thing, and as a result the question of "but if I find it fun it should be ok to everyone" is asinine. Why not walk into the house of a movie critic and tell them they're assholes for dissecting a movie despite the fact you find it fun.

    Just like with the Amiibos and those movil games, the success or faliure of this doesnīt mean nothing, is just another product.
    So if you donīt want this you still have Dark Souls or Bayonetta or Metroid, so, what is the problem here?
    Just because you have no interest in having standards regarding what these companies sell you for your entertainment, don't come in here acting like you're higher and wiser than people who HAVE developed standards and a history with this companies to know what's bullshit and what isn't. Because ultimately that's what annoyed me about your entry post, the instantaneous might with which you walk in to treat CCC and I like we're assholes without even considering our position.
    Like that I don't shut up about games? Here's my game design blog
    Twitch Channel: twitch.tv/Nephy4


  2. #19902

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Exorcist95 View Post
    So if you donīt want this you still have Dark Souls or Bayonetta or Metroid, so, what is the problem here?
    Nintendo doesn't develop Souls or Bayonetta, and Metroid isn't the best example of a series that the company is exactly loyal to...?
    The huge success of the Wii (on the heels of perfection incarnate: the Gamecube) taught Nintendo a bad lesson (bad for people who want capital going towards core first-party series) - that goofy peripherals and non-traditional controllers created with the buzzwords "family friendly" and "non-gamers" in mind, sell. It's indirectly why we got DKC Returns with awful non-optional waggle-to-roll controls that made speedrunning sessions nightmarish, and more recently, that infuriating shit in Odyssey where you're forced to shake the whole unit (if you're going portable) to use animal buddies' special moves. In fact, all of the shaking in Odyssey was frustrating, because they haven't come out with Joycon Motion Plus yet.
    Those experiences were made tangibly worse because some higher-ups said "motion controls are now what we do, ergo they are mandatory."

    They charge insane amounts of money for balance boards, MotionPlus (because the preexisting motion capabilities weren't good enough for the stain of a Zelda game they ended up mangling), and now cardboard, the (presumably) target demo apparently eats it up (yeah, I'm guilty of that re: Skyward Sword), and they're encouraged to continue in that direction, which could gosh darn well divert resources away from...y'know...games. Yeah I get that that's capitalism but c'monnn the last F-Zero was 14 years ago. This feels like somebody's pet project that got some of those sweet sweet Switch profits thrown at it because why the heck not, and that does make me want to insult the executives and their implicit enablers.

    EDIT: Oh. Noqanky said the things I wanted to say in the hour I was collecting my thoughts and typing this haha

    This conversation is reminding me of how people continue to buy demonstrably overpriced Apple products because they're white and shiny and because branding. People line up out the door for the stuff, so the price never drops, and in the court of public opinion they get away with practically bricking old phones to get people to buy new ones. Not an exact analogue in plenty of technical respects ("Macs are better for artists/musicians"- I get it), but, like..."Cardboard...with a Nintendo sticker on it! Wowee!" (In this tortured analogy, I guess PCs are the empty refrigerator box in the backyard that Calvin would turn into a transmogrifier or spaceship for Spaceman Spiff)

  3. #19903

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    So, the tech demo with cardboard isn't tech demo a with cardboard priced, but full game with silly peripheral priced? I do wonder how many 1-2 switch or Nintendo land were ever sold? I'd pay 10$ for the box set, and nothing for the games.
    3DS FC: 0516-7666-3837
    Pokemon X

  4. #19904

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    It's a frustrating step backwards to me because I like to think the early success of the Switch can be attributed mostly to how absurdly strong its first year lineup of games was. In isolation, fine, sure, they sell some overpriced cardboard, but yeah, if they're turning just as much profit from that crap as something like Xenoblade, we've got a real problem here. Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo is just weird and out of touch or if they're predatory and this definitely crosses into the latter (though I guess they can be both).
    Quote Originally Posted by Noqanky View Post
    Why not walk into the house of a movie critic and tell them they're assholes for dissecting a movie despite the fact you find it fun.
    I'm totally with you on everything but I'd be lying if I said this isn't something I kinda sorta want to do lol.

  5. #19905
    Discovered Stowaway fana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    France

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    Is it really that hard to imagine that Nintendo can do this thing and still make their regular games ? I don't see how this Labo can impact the games that their studios are currently making and will make in the future.

    Anyway, the review are great enough that I would like try it one day.

  6. #19906
    Whirlwind of Cabbages Yobiyopi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Italy

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CCC View Post
    Nintendo doesn't develop Souls or Bayonetta, and Metroid isn't the best example of a series that the company is exactly loyal to...?
    The huge success of the Wii (on the heels of perfection incarnate: the Gamecube) taught Nintendo a bad lesson (bad for people who want capital going towards core first-party series) - that goofy peripherals and non-traditional controllers created with the buzzwords "family friendly" and "non-gamers" in mind, sell. It's indirectly why we got DKC Returns with awful non-optional waggle-to-roll controls that made speedrunning sessions nightmarish, and more recently, that infuriating shit in Odyssey where you're forced to shake the whole unit (if you're going portable) to use animal buddies' special moves. In fact, all of the shaking in Odyssey was frustrating, because they haven't come out with Joycon Motion Plus yet.
    Those experiences were made tangibly worse because some higher-ups said "motion controls are now what we do, ergo they are mandatory."

    They charge insane amounts of money for balance boards, MotionPlus (because the preexisting motion capabilities weren't good enough for the stain of a Zelda game they ended up mangling), and now cardboard, the (presumably) target demo apparently eats it up (yeah, I'm guilty of that re: Skyward Sword), and they're encouraged to continue in that direction, which could gosh darn well divert resources away from...y'know...games. Yeah I get that that's capitalism but c'monnn the last F-Zero was 14 years ago. This feels like somebody's pet project that got some of those sweet sweet Switch profits thrown at it because why the heck not, and that does make me want to insult the executives and their implicit enablers.
    It's true that the Wii outperforming the Gamecube ten times taught them a bad lesson for the long term after the initial success, that coupled with Iwata's ideal of making the medium available to anyone resorting to something simple and familiar, which sadly turned out with the vast majority of people having their fun with it and then moving on without sticking to the medium as Iwata and Nintendo hoped they would do.
    The big difference is that videogames should be available to anyone, but not every game should. In contrast to the simplicity of the Wii or DS, this cardboard nightmare seems the opposite of practical and inviting to a non gaming audience. Anyone could pick up a Wiimote and have fun without learning the intricacies of motion controls, but good luck turning a random person into a Nintendo/videogames fan by introducing them to fragile, complicated pieces of cardboard to integrate with the 300$ console.

    It could be wonderful however to have parents spend their time with (little) kids and figuring out how to create all those megazords, or why they even purchased it in the first place. This too though has a very big problem underneath that they still haven't noticed apparently: kids dont like to be reminded they are kids, they like to feel like adults and especially as teenagers most of them would hate to spend time with their parents, or even be seen by their peers with the cardboard backpack and be bullied to death, with possibly the Switch being crashed alongside it.

    In all honesty, Labo seems to be made by the same team of 1-2 Switch, and it's more than likely just to test the waters since it will be released *after* the first successful year, and *before* either E3 or Christmas. We can imagine what a laughably weak first impression the console would have made if this was the launch game instead of Botw.

    We can argue and be shocked about its existence all we want, but as long as it doesnt tamper with the big releases (like Amiibos and PS+ do sometimes), it should be just a weird experiment that will be featured as a stage in Smash 5, and possibly even as a character with the Robot. I would say its very likely to sell 300k copies at most and fail, which should teach them the lesson that games like Botw and Odyssey can move 6 million copies, and weird experiments sadly don't turn people into gamers as Iwata once hoped.

  7. #19907

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    Took me like five minutes but

  8. #19908

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    God DAMN it Nintendo, just when the world thinks you can't out Nintendo yourself, you do it AGAIN.

    This company is the real world living version of "Holy my beer."

    Congratulations you insane Japanese bastards..
    3DS Friendcode: 1177-6707-2664

    Quote Originally Posted by KzTxL7 View Post
    I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.

    You won this week Fairy Tail.

  9. #19909

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    This project is likely headed by the division that works on the games like Miitopia. I highly doubt they would be taking directors away from their more traditional franchises to work on this stuff. This is the company that despite the obvious success they could have in mobile and their shareholders constantly hounding them about it, still stay committed to home console development and treat mobile games only as a potential gateway into their full software.

    They may stray in some weird directions once in a while but they've never abandoned their core competency. Even if they may have carried some of the wrong lessons over from the Wii to the Wii U, the Wii U still ended up having an incredible first party lineup. Labo is not to my tastes at all but I'm not concerned about it entirely shifting Nintendo's focus or anything like that. If anything, extra revenue from diversified venues will allow them to continue funding niche games that won't make that much money on their own but serve to diversify their portfolio, like Xenoblade. And speaking of Xenoblade, the fact that Nintendo does continue to fund a series as niche as that should already tell you they are dedicated to maintaining a strong software lineup.
    Legend of the Strongest Onani Master Kurosawa


  10. #19910
    Acting the Goat Wagomu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Location

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread


    3DS FC: 0662-3589-2887
    NNID: Gibbs-free

  11. #19911

    Default Re: The Nintendo Thread

    This is something that if I were 20 years younger I'd have been really into. I actually bought similar Lego kits and Remote Control Cars and Robotics kits (these cost a lot more than these too) and other similar stuff so I can definitely see the potential. And hey it looks like there'll be games that go with this which makes it sound more fun.


    It's not for me now, I couldn't justify me spending that much money on something and then having it be put away or just having it take up space but it's not designed for the adult in mind. And my adult mind cannot want to spend the amount of money on these things for that. If I had kids that were developing an interest in building stuff or how stuff works or whatever I'd be more inclined to pick it up and that's what nintendo seem to be going for.

    And hey, even if nobody wants it'll end up being one of those weird little oddities that Nintendo did that people speak of like the Virtual Boy and ROB
    Winner of Arlong Park's 2011 Member Award: Most Perverted Member.

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 2 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 2 guests)

     

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts