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    Quote Originally Posted by Motoss View Post
    I think in a lot of ways the amount of skin shown (which is steadily increasing throughout the series), is a detractor to One Piece. Just look at the beginning of the series (Buggy and AP arcs), and tell me that Nami's design is better now than it was then...I think most people would prefer the "old" Nami from way back. Elfin Lied is an anime series where this was a problem, it is an excellent series with a great story and really pulls at your heartstrings at times, but because there is so much nudity, it is hard to take it seriously.
    I thought that it was in one of those Oda interviews that Nami started dressing the way she did specifically after Arlong's defeat because she felt could be around people she trusted and didn't necessarily have to be on the run. Which was I believe the explanation from her closed toed boots to open toed sandals.

    I surprisingly don't mind Nami's skimpy attire, I don't know if it's because the body types are so cartoony I can't really equate it to something vulgar lol. She knows she's cute and much like Boa she uses that to get what she wants. And well the use of fan service with her isn't constantly in your face or always out of place unlike scenes in Fairy Tail and Kenichi, I feel.

    At any rate the guys can have their Nami and Robin fan service. I get my Zoro lol.

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    I honestly don't know how or what Oda thinks about (other than porn, penis jokes, poop jokes, eating meat, Morning Musume, Manzai performances, Rock music, Rap, Quinton Tarantino, the Great Mazinger, defeating Pretty Cure, his wife, his daughter, his friends, video games), but I probably think too much about how he thinks. A habit that I wish to keep, since I am a science student.

    Edit: Oh, and apparently Oda actually likes vocal talents like singing, so I should have just listed music in general.

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    Women in OP?

    We've got all types, all sorts all tastes; from Alvida's reshape to Big MUM. As Kizuchan said before, is the character what matters, I thought we got that message after the Fishman Island arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sag d seb View Post
    Women in OP?

    We've got all types, all sorts all tastes; from Alvida's reshape to Big MUM. As Kizuchan said before, is the character what matters, I thought we got that message after the Fishman Island arc.
    yeah but people will still argue over sexism for eternity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouDNewb View Post
    yeah but people will still argue over sexism for eternity.
    half of those people don't know how sexism works any way.

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    I think fan service comes from Women and Men in One Piece equally. All the guys in One Piece are ripped and show off that fact constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFalcon View Post
    half of those people don't know how sexism works any way.
    Yeah thats the fun of it :p
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    I appreciate Oda’s crazy drawing style and i don’t really mind his fondness with gigantic boobs and such.
    On the serious side i would really like to see a well developed female character, this manga needs a serious badass woman the kind of beautiful dangerous...mysterious female character, i mean Robin & Hancock is cool but well their just not enough (AT ALL), and we just found out that Big Mom is fat huge ugly man-eating monster which is fine but we still need the classic dark obscure pretty lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lint789 View Post
    I think fan service comes from Women and Men in One Piece equally. All the guys in One Piece are ripped and show off that fact constantly.
    LOL--not all women think of guys that are "ripped" as the epitome of manhood, which by definition makes them not really fan-servicey for the majority of women. Fan-servisey girls seem to be primarily about their huge boobs and waspy waists--which does in fact seem to be attractive for a large percentage of male readers, on the other hand. Just sayin'. I've read the argument, somewhere, that even the "ripped" males could be more for the male readers, in that they tend to reflect more of a male fantasy of male perfection and what they think women want, as opposed to what many women (NOT all women) would ask for if they were ever asked, and I sorta think there's at least a modicum of truth there...

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    It seems that what counts as fanservice for women seems to vary far more wildly than it does for men.

    Honestly I don't know what women want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouthNinja View Post
    It seems that what counts as fanservice for women seems to vary far more wildly than it does for men.

    Honestly I don't know what women want.
    Scientifically proved, that what females like depends on what part of cycle they are in.

    Most girls, especially the ones in anime fandoms, like bishies, though, there are no classical examples of this category of characters in One Piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I survived the buster call View Post
    LOL--not all women think of guys that are "ripped" as the epitome of manhood, which by definition makes them not really fan-servicey for the majority of women. Fan-servisey girls seem to be primarily about their huge boobs and waspy waists--which does in fact seem to be attractive for a large percentage of male readers, on the other hand. Just sayin'. I've read the argument, somewhere, that even the "ripped" males could be more for the male readers, in that they tend to reflect more of a male fantasy of male perfection and what they think women want, as opposed to what many women (NOT all women) would ask for if they were ever asked, and I sorta think there's at least a modicum of truth there...
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    I agree that women don't think the same way about male bodies as men think about female bodies. It's just how the hormones work.

    The most female "fan service" I've seen out of One Piece may be Chopper and all the cute critter side characters, including humongous ones like Megalo, Surume and Wadatsumi. I can't really speak for women however because I'm not one.

    Anyway, I think Oda's work would be acceptable as gender unbiased when Oda's own daughter becomes eager to watch through a marathon of One Piece episodes. There's a good reason why Pretty Cure has that edge.

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    Since I started reading manga back in the day. It seems that if a manga writer wants fan service to appeal to girls, the male character is either super feminine in the face and a tall willowly body with some muscle tone, silent, a bit of a jerk or just flat out dangerous, or they look down right helpless, short, large eyes, very awkward around women, but can try to fight for his dream, love interest, whatever. And if these two types wind up in the same show...that's a whole other can of worms.

    One Piece doesn't seem to have the super pretty male or the adorable (human) male. I don't think of the animals as a female fan service thing...I dunno maybe some girls want them as a stuffed animal version, but I find a lot of Oda's animals to be too ridiculous or just unappealing.

    The muscular, rough, manly men seem to be there to draw in the guys. A "Hey, is this guy cool? You wanna be like him, right?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    Since I started reading manga back in the day. It seems that if a manga writer wants fan service to appeal to girls, the male character is either super feminine in the face and a tall willowly body with some muscle tone, silent, a bit of a jerk or just flat out dangerous, or they look down right helpless, short, large eyes, very awkward around women, but can try to fight for his dream, love interest, whatever. And if these two types wind up in the same show...that's a whole other can of worms.

    One Piece doesn't seem to have the super pretty male or the adorable (human) male. I don't think of the animals as a female fan service thing...I dunno maybe some girls want them as a stuffed animal version, but I find a lot of Oda's animals to be too ridiculous or just unappealing.

    The muscular, rough, manly men seem to be there to draw in the guys. A "Hey, is this guy cool? You wanna be like him, right?"
    I think Luffy when he's just being himself would be main fan service, due to him being not very muscular looking and he normally is hopeless by himself which he states when fighting Arlong.

    But how did this topic change into a fan-service discussion haha?
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    I think Luffy when he's just being himself would be main fan service, due to him being not very muscular looking and he normally is hopeless by himself which he states when fighting Arlong.

    But how did this topic change into a fan-service discussion haha?
    Because when you bring up how women are portayed they tend to fall into a fan service category every now and then lol. I was mostly talking about if there were any characters to be used to draw in a female demographic. I feel Luffy doesn't count in that regard. But Luffy's personality would place him more in the "rough or comedic" category. And he's very asexual. >_< It's weird to explain. But the Anime how to draw books has a section on personalities and the face types that typically go with the style. He'd be the innocent ruffian or whatever lol. Large round eyed, messy hair, scar or bandage.

    He's a good main though definitely. I remember that this was pretty much the first anime where I liked pretty much all the main cast. I think Oda came up with a fairly good mix. I'm even warming up to Brook. It took me a long time to get used to Franky too. Nami I never really liked. She had a few moments that I thought were funny or what have you, but I didn't loathe her or anything. Greedy characters just bugged me. Robin I think I liked from the get go cause of her dark humor.

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    in terms of design id say that women in one piece are generic for the most part...... and this highly obvious if u compare most of the females you see in the background: their faces and body types are almost the same

    unique female characters almost always stray from the norm, by this ill take kokoro - baasan..... and mole DF user from alabasta , both are completely unique and similar because of their purpose in the story: comedy
    ____we could argue that thats not their purpose(molewoman is fodder who looks like a mole w/o transforming and kokoro was a kindly, wish-i-dint-know-what-u-are guide)... but enough of that later.......

    even hancock looks very similar to most attractive background females who sanji chases around..... only the flowery backgrounds and other characters convince us she's a special beauty case......

    the kuja pirates island was the first major improvement on female character portrayal in my opinion based solely on variation in looks

    in terms of personality...... OP is a-ok in my book coz we get to see all kinds

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    I think with regards costumes, people should read this -

    http://zaewen.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/when-is-it-sexist-a-chart-that-doesnt-get-it-quite-right/

    having chests on display doesn't make men "equally sexualised". To do so they'd have to be in a seductive pose with their balls half hanging out. It sounds ridiculous, but we're used to it with women.

    That said One Piece is above average for Shonen from a feminist perspective as a shonen. Traditionally unattractive women are displayed in positive roles. I was fairly impressed with Dadan as while she was masculine she wasn't depicted as being quite as "ugly" as the other fat or physically strong female characters. I thought Lola would have been pretty cute if it wasn't for her ridiculously large lips as well, though she seemed kind of weak especially for a New World pirate. Nami & Robin seem to be in control of their sexuality to some degree and there aren't many moeblob characters.

    However there are too few female characters in general, I Guess that's an audience thing but still, Fairy Tail manages a fairly even spread, and it doesn't use the traditional wimpy spellcaster trope to get away with it.

    I often wonder if the tiny waist, large breasts was actually a parody of anime/manga females rather than fully intentional. Or Oda is just bad at drawing women.

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    Also, I liked that the Kuja tribe weren't shown as "feminazis" or something ridiculous. They were just following traditions, they didn't necessarily agree with them.

    However I'm concerned with Hancock. To be honest, I really want Hancock and Luffy to end up together, but not like they are now. I'd like them to be on an equal footing. I think Hancock is still very scared from her childhood and sees Luffy as a reprise from that because of how openly he defies the Celestial Dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessOfTheCrystal View Post
    However there are too few female characters in general, I Guess that's an audience thing but still, Fairy Tail manages a fairly even spread, and it doesn't use the traditional wimpy spellcaster trope to get away with it.
    Yeah, well, at least Oda doesn't bombard us with the female equivalent of, as you put it "[..] seductive pose with their balls half hanging out". Some people like that sort of thing, I guess, but I'm glad it's not in One Piece to that extent.

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    I get the feeling though that Fairy Tail's cheesecake may simply come from the sheer number of female characters in it, and that if One Piece had that many it may go down that road. It's a shame, because on one hand you have great characters like Erza, Mirajane, then you have Lucy.

    I've never really liked fanservice unless it hits all the right "Carry On" Notes(I'm a bit of a Cutie Honey fan for some reason).

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