What do you think of the way women are portrayed in OP?

[Gliblord]

There's an enormous difference between a character doing something that's fanservice and a character that just so happens to appeal to girls. Nothing Doflamingo or Crocodile ever do is fanservicey - same with Marco and Ace. The anime will sometimes add extra fanservice to appeal to girls, I admit, like how they completely gay-ified Marco, etc. but that was never anything Oda put there in the first place.

What would you say would be fanservice for girls then? Hypothetically.

[Crossword]

Violence against women, hmm. I guess one of the reasons why they don't tend to get as heavily/graphically injured as the male characters (unless it's being deliberately played for shock value) or simply have them fight other women instead of guys is to avoid coming off as misogynist and other uncomfortable implications that can arise from the image of a man deliberately bringing physical harm to a woman. And on a shallower note, bruises and blood on a girl's face just doesn't look pretty.

From my experiance this definitely holds true in mainstream anime/manga. Which was why I was taken off-guard by a recent episode of To Aru Majutsu no Index where Accelerator delivers a knuckle sandwich to Awaki's face and this was the result.

[Gliblord]

Violence against women, hmm. I guess one of the reasons why they don't tend to get as heavily/graphically injured as the male characters (unless it's being deliberately played for shock value) or simply have them fight other women instead of guys is to avoid coming off as misogynist and other uncomfortable implications that can arise from the image of a man deliberately bringing physical harm to a woman. And on a shallower note, bruises and blood on a girl's face just doesn't look pretty.

From my experiance this definitely holds true in mainstream anime/manga. Which was why I was taken off-guard by a recent episode of To Aru Majutsu no Index where Accelerator delivers a knuckle sandwich to Awaki's face and this was the result.

There are certainly those unfortunate implications, but I think a good writer can even it out or even neutralize it with females whacking males just as hard.

[Reyairia]

What would you say would be fanservice for girls then? Hypothetically.

This:

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Needless to say, I'm in no way expecting that in One Piece.

[Gliblord]

Isn't that a rather extreme standard for what's considered fanservice for girls though? I mean you don't find any yuri moments in OP either. Or are you saying that it takes more for girls for it to be really fanservice.

[lutetapper]

I don't view the fanservice or aesthetics of the females poorly, but their roles are ill-defined compared to the men, I think. Obviously, there are more male characters than women, but I don't think I've liked the womens' roles all that much.

Sadi-chan - she was just a sexual, BDSM character who's fighting style involved pain and moaning. I think if Oda had written her differently, I could have taken her more seriously and she might have been stronger.

Vice Admiral Tsuru - she's strong, there's no doubt, but her Devil Fruit power is just as sexist as you can get. Laundry? Really? Maybe I'm looking at it through my own socially-constructed lens. If it were a man with this DF, it'd be comical, but when it's a woman, it's strange. I don't know if that's my fault or if the role is just bad.

Hancock - speaking of DF's, hers is also a bit sexist in my opinion. Her abilities all revolve around making people gawk at her, love, and other such things. I think she could have been a fine warrior without any of that, true to amazonian spirit.

Alvida - her devil fruit made her unfat and pretty, enough said there.

I'm sure there are other instances, and there are definitely women in the series who do their job well...but I just notice that they're never as strong or never reach the same potential as the men. I'm just waiting for a crazy femme fatale to come along, really. Caterina Devon might be a step in the right direction, but she's more interested in shopping than this debate, apparently.

[Reyairia]

Isn't that a rather extreme standard for what's considered fanservice for girls though? I mean you don't find any yuri moments in OP either.

uh... Califa vs. Nami again?
"She's so sexy, if she were my secretary I'd be so happy!"
Not to mention the clothes tearing.

It really doesn't matter what happens, but how it's portrayed. The doctor in that picture was just giving the other a massage, but the way it's portrayed...

[Gliblord]

I don't view the fanservice or aesthetics of the females poorly, but their roles are ill-defined compared to the men, I think. Obviously, there are more male characters than women, but I don't think I've liked the womens' roles all that much.

Sadi-chan - she was just a sexual, BDSM character who's fighting style involved pain and moaning. I think if Oda had written her differently, I could have taken her more seriously and she might have been stronger.

Vice Admiral Tsuru - she's strong, there's no doubt, but her Devil Fruit power is just as sexist as you can get. Laundry? Really? Maybe I'm looking at it through my own socially-constructed lens. If it were a man with this DF, it'd be comical, but when it's a woman, it's strange. I don't know if that's my fault or if the role is just bad.

Hancock - speaking of DF's, hers is also a bit sexist in my opinion. Her abilities all revolve around making people gawk at her, love, and other such things. I think she could have been a fine warrior without any of that, true to amazonian spirit.

Alvida - her devil fruit made her unfat and pretty, enough said there.

I'm sure there are other instances, and there are definitely women in the series who do their job well...but I just notice that they're never as strong or never reach the same potential as the men. I'm just waiting for a crazy femme fatale to come along, really. Caterina Devon might be a step in the right direction, but she's more interested in shopping than this debate, apparently.

I agree with some of these--Alvida is a stupid character and in my opinion should just go away, the "she got slim!" conceit is insulting and not all that funny. Some of them though I can forgive due to hilarity. A laundry DF! And Hancock in general is just sweet.

I wonder how her DF power would work with a male user. I mean a girl swooning over a guy is not exactly unheard of. Frank Sinatra could use MERO MERO to good use if he were an arrogant emperor I think.

Also wasn't good ol' Sadi-chan explicitly strong enough to keep all the Minowhatsits in line? I think that's pretty cool. I even recall a scene where she breaks a bridge with her whip, which is both badass and hawt.

[Reyairia]

Sadie-chan is a purely fanservice character, even if she is strong. You can't really deny that at all. She practically orgasms in the manga.

[Gliblord]

uh... Califa vs. Nami again?
"She's so sexy, if she were my secretary I'd be so happy!"
Not to mention the clothes tearing.

It really doesn't matter what happens, but how it's portrayed. The doctor in that picture was just giving the other a massage, but the way it's portrayed...

I guess you could call that stealth yuri, but Nami was clearly not into that shit when the fight actually started, humorous "I want her to be my secretary" comment notwithstanding. Whereas in your picture both males clearly are into it, which (maybe in my eyes only) it's the consensualness that makes it hawt/fanservicey. If it's sekuhara I ain't getting tittillated, but then again I may be the outlier here.

[Roku Ou Gan]

Women in One Piece are portrayed to have potential to be as strong or stronger than men. Not many other manga does that. I like it.

[Gliblord]

Sadie-chan is a purely fanservice character, even if she is strong. You can't really deny that at all. She practically orgasms in the manga.

I guess that means I can forgive their being essentially fanservice incarnate as long as they're also badass/hilarious.

[Reyairia]

I guess you could call that stealth yuri, but Nami was clearly not into that shit. Whereas in your picture both males clearly are, which (maybe in my eyes only) it's the consensualness that makes it hawt/fanservicey. If it's sekuhara I ain't getting tittillated, but then again I may be the outlier here.

Clearly? Nami said Califa was sexy and that she'd want her as a secretary. She also behaved strangely with Vivi in the baths. Nami has shown no interest in men herself unless it was to dupe them into giving her treasure or whatever. You really have to wonder if Nami is attracted to women or not.
Besides, some people get turned on by rape, especially in Japan. It doesn't take away from the fanservice if it there is consent or not.

Anything Sadi-chan did to anybody in ID wasn't consensual either, yet she's a character that's clearly, clearly fanservice.

[Kylor]

There are certainly those unfortunate implications, but I think a good writer can even it out or even neutralize it with females whacking males just as hard.

I don't even think that a good writer even needs to show a female forcefully striking a male in order to not have implications, unless, of course, that's what their going for and it works in the story. Really, I think that showing a male character hitting a female character is acceptable, as long as it makes sense given the context of the story. For instance, if the woman seriously needed to have violence inflicted on her (Such as if she was attacking the male, and he was acting in self defense, or if she was about to do something dangerously foolish and could not be stopped any other way) and if it is clearly shown that the assaulter in question would do the exact same thing to another male, or if the violence is to demonstrate how much of an asshole the male character is. In such cases, the context of the act of violence should be used to determine whether it's alright or not, and from there, it's up to the audience to decide.

[Makeemum]

Oda's fanservice is pretty much just fairy big boobs and fairly suggestive clothing, hardly any dedicated Fanservice scenes or even panels unlike some mangas (Fairy Tail), you can tell he doesn't try too hard to give his women sex appeal, Amazon Lilly is a prime example of that, just imagine what an Arc with the Main character in a island full of women could've been in the hands of other mangakas

[Baldulf]

Women in One Piece are portrayed to have potential to be as strong or stronger than men. Not many other manga does that. I like it.

We haven't heard of any woman who wanted to be the Pirate Queen (let's wait to Big Momma, maybe she has ambition enough)

[sanji499]

Nami vs Hancock would be the ultimate fight.

[SingingThroughTheStorm]

I mentioned the whole moment with Nami and Kalifa couple pages back. Nami said how sexy it was. No further quotes needed.

Sadie, my god I can't stand that character. Porche was annoying enough for me, she wasn't god awful though. Then came Sadie, everytime I heard or saw that moan, I got more irritated. I think that it gets more annoying as it goes on. It seemed to be done 25+ times.
I heard "MMnnnmynnnmmmooo" for the 20th time, I was about to punch the dang computer.
I then we had Ivan transforming into a busty women, uuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhh.

I will admit the way Mrs. Double Finger walked was just about as bad. Although it was an amazing moment when Nami got the spikes through the foot and kept going.

[SingingThroughTheStorm]

I think certain aspects of Nami would make sense. I think the greed was mainly because
as a child she was poor, she became worried about money. If someone you loved (let along a parent)
gets killed right in front of your eyes, wouldn't you become more greedy? I think that is a deep part of her character. Arlong told Luffy that Nami was pretty cute, though. Wouldn't the whole experience with Arlong not make you want to be so revealing?

[Gliblord]

I don't know, Sadi-chan didn't really bother me at all. I mean it only makes sense for a sadist of her caliber to be employed in such a sadistic prison, plus it's just funny. Ivankov's turning into a busty woman also didn't bother me either, though the fight between those two was disappointingly kind of lame.