By that theory we would have seen almost all of them. Enel and Ace seem to be able to use their DF powers to move in air for a certain amount of time. Maybe even Crocodile. :closedeyeOriginally Posted by Janken Jack
By that theory we would have seen almost all of them. Enel and Ace seem to be able to use their DF powers to move in air for a certain amount of time. Maybe even Crocodile. :closedeye
The only one of them that can possible fly must be Ener in that case. He can like, float on the clouds or something. XD
I don't think Hattori will be a DF user. In that case, who will fight him? Maybe Paulie, but that's like the only option I can think of.
Old school lurker.
Maybe the five discludes Logia users, who all seem to be able to achieve some sort of flight. (For Aokiji, think Iceman)
Pardon me but, even Luffy can move in air for a certain amount of time. Gomu Gomu Rocketto! What I think is that Logia users cannot "fly". They can only "float", and it is rather limited too. Eventually they will come down, because they can't really give themselves lift in the air. It's just that their particles are spread out and thus are much lighter in the air.
I recall when Ace destroyed the baroque work ships, he jumped in the air, destroyed them ships, and floated back onto his boat thing. I really don't think logia users can fly.
Eneru also didn't fly. The closest airborne-ness we've seen is when he sits on the cloud emitted from the dial. Other times he got to a high ground, he actually used a medium to conduct himself there. This is what I think.
But Luffy requires something solid to grab in order that he can change directions in the air. And I think Ace, Enel and Crocodile can use their DF powers to boost up and change directions in the air without needing something solid. If Smoker´s powers allow him to do that, I don´t see much reason why Ace´s and Enel´s fruits couldn´t do that. On Crocodile I´m still not so sure though.
Ace needs to push off from the ground for his lift, and even so, he didn't truly fly. Enel can't really. He couldn't fly. Just conducting himself through a medium to move fast... Smoker.. I don't really think even he flew. Sure, he went up really high and stuff, but he was still ultimately touching the ground with the bottom part of his smokey self? Even if he did leave solid ground, take it as a jump, ya? Crocodile's is most improbable. His Logia fruit is... solid. Sand. Okay, I shall try to draw an example.
Say those antigravity cars we see in futuristic animations, they have no wheels and float around, but they can't really fly. This is the impression I get from the Logia fruit powers. They're sort of like that. Hope I can draw that picture clearly to ya. Obviously being elements (and not living beings with muscles) and being able to move around as elements can't really be explained by current scientific knowledge, so even debating the idea of movement in those forms would be the same as debating the idea of flight in those forms.
My explanation: The logia power(s) allow(s) the user(s) to convert his body tissue, muscle and all, to and fro, to his element, at his will. Sand, electric, fire muscles serve the same function to sand, electric and fire bodies which normal muscles do to normal bodies. Even if they're not muscles, it's some form of oddity that the user has control over which can propel himself. Other modes of movement would be from the element's properties itself, ie, the conducting of eletricity, the weight of sand and ice (lighter and heavier), etc. The elemental limbs cannot be seen because they take a different form, eg. a leg and a wheel, and this is something different. I hope I made myself clear.
I like trying to explain fantasy physics, but I do think we're all just overreading alot here. XD
Luffy, obviously. He'd try to eat Hattori. =D
I´m not talking of what they did in the manga but of what should be possible with their DF powers. Ace and Smoker I see to be able to use their power to boost them up like jet´s do it. Enel actually to though it would be smoke and fire that push him up but the power of lighting.
And Crocodile has the power to create sandstorms. I don´t see why he shouldn´t be able to transform his lower body to a small sandstorm part that lifts him up like a propeler lifts up a helicopter.
If that's the case.. Geppou of the Rokushiki would be considered flight, ne?
Yeah, but if these were considered flight, then Pell+Enel+Ace+Smoker+Crocodile already equals to 5. Surely there're more Tori Tori models?
Were talking about Defil Fruit powers here.
I just brought Enel, Ace and Crocodile in as a counter argument for when Smoker got mentioned in that context. I actually wanted to say that it can´t be Smoker because if he take him, then we could also take the other three and then we would have all the five already. Maybe I should have used a better argument to counter that theory then to bring in all those names because they apparently caused more confusion. Well then here´s the easier counter argument:Yeah, but if these were considered flight, then Pell+Enel+Ace+Smoker+Crocodile already equals to 5. Surely there're more Tori Tori models?
Peruh, speaks about Zoan type Devil Fruits when he made his comments. Logia users are excluded. Actually the sole title of this thread mentioned that already.
Yeah, that I know. I meant that every little thing like that should not be considered flight, and brought that in as comparison.Why then we are in agreement! XD
We sure are. I think the whole confusion in our discussion was when I wanted to point out the difference in how Ace/Enel/Crocodile/Smoker would change directions in the air and how Luffy does it. :biggrin:
I don't know where you get this Zoan stuff from.BW: Pell...?!!
Was that "PELL THE FALCON"...?!!
The strongest warrior in all of Alabasta...!!!
The "Toritori fruit", model "Falcon".
One of the only five types of "Flying Powers" ever discovered...
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
A golden eagle version would be....pure awesome.
Or an owl.BIG SPECTACLES!
Didn't see this before, but, flamingo? I support you!!! XD
you guys have to set what is flying and what is going really high and work has flying.
most logias can simulate flying. but they all have weakness, while Aokiji could pull a IceMan it's not flying. Croc can be a sandstorm but that's hardly flying also (though should be a awesome counter against flying oponents) and it also won't allow him to fly over water. Now Ace i think it's different, we don't know how his DF behaves but personally from me it's the most powerfull see this: while other Logias are made of a element, Ace's power is pure energy. He consumes elements, so i think that HE could fly. Smoker also might be able to float, since he is made of smoke he should be able to perform a wind walk, but not actually flying, and of course maybe do a smoked iceman.
sooo, i think that actual flying will be in charge of the flying zoans AND maybe Ace. The others can reach the sky and do something but in that territory they would be in great tatical disavantage to real flyers like Pell.
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Personal interpretation. If they say "Tori (which means bird) Tori Fruit, model Falcon" then I understand it as that there is five different Tori Tori fruits. Otherwise the fruit could have been the "Falcon Falcon Fruit" (sorry but I don´t know what falcon means in japanese).
And since it is specifically mentioned that the falcon type is one model of a Bird DF, I understand it that the other four are also bird DF´s. And that would be Zoan types. It makes plausible sense to me.
I know that the quote you mentioned doesn´t use the term Zoan type, but we keep it on that level, then I can say that the same quote never mentions anything about the five types of flying covers being Devil Fruits.
4 other bird types i wanna see:
Turkey (Luffy's dying to roast this guy)
Crow
Parrot
Dodo(I know they're extinct, but who knows, it is ODA after all)
And it´s not the real world to begin with.
i just hope the Dodo fruit is a kung-fu fighter like those in IceAge animation
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