We sell they buy. Up until now, they weren't being used on the people, so we had no reason to jeopardize the contract. It's business.
You wouldn't be calling it "fucking disgusting" if they weren't using them on the people, so let's not jump to such things just yet.
Anyway, I show my support for the people of Egypt.
i was actually going to make a thread on this topic, but i was thinking jerk disease could probably do it better. well informative. i wish for the best in egypt
Thanks man, this topic made things easier to understand a thing that I really wanted to know more about.
I wish that people of Egypt would be able to kick that despot Mubarak out of office but I dont think its very likely, Mubarak and his goverment is really fond of being in power and they will not give up on power in their lifetime, as long they are backed down by police and military any hope of revolution will be dealt with extreme measures.
Mubarak will be backed up by other Arab leaders in this matter and he is free to use extreme force to crush any hopes of rebellion, of course there will be internation outcry for too harsh methods but everyone knows that it will only take couple of years before its forgotten by everyone.
Egypt lives by tourism though so they might have to cover their hands to silk before they grab the hammer to crush rebellion lest they scary tourists off (who are only intrested to lay in beaches and observing some pyramids).
Unfortunately some of the rebels are anything but liberal and if they somehow manage to overthrow Mubarak and his totalitarian rule Egypt might face new age of repression and a brutal massacre targeting of kopti christian population in nation who has been living in relative peace with rest of the population up to date.
It says it's offline for me.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night I can feel my leg. And my arm. Even my fingers.
The body I've lost. The comrades I've lost. It won't stop hurting. It's like they're all still there. You feel it too, don't you?
Thanks to denial, I'm immortal!
Maybe they shouldn't piss off their neighbors by doing things like promising not to build settlements and then going ahead and doing it anyway. Even then, it's not like any of their neighbors is going to risk Israel glassing their capital just for the sake of Palestinians. Talk of Israel being erased from the map is nonsense.Originally Posted by Shandian
Reading the thread title, it smelt a bit jerkish. My sense of smell is almost as good as my gaydar.
But seriously, this is crazy interesting. I never imagined Egypt could be in such upheaval, be it possibly for the better. Ignorance sucks.
its pretty much going to be a given that there is going to be massive losses :(
And why I don't like it any more than you do, I also don't think we should be blaming our government in anyway. If Egypt didn't get them from us, they'd get them from somewhere, we were just the best deal.
Would it somehow make it better if they read Made in Russia, England, China, etc. on them?
Personally, I don't give a fuck who made them, I care about how they're being used. That's what's fucking disgusting, not that they read "made in the U.S.A"
I'm willing to follow you on "we funded them for use not on people" but don't use this non-logic nihilist excuse bullshit on me.And why I don't like it any more than you do, I also don't think we should be blaming our government in anyway. If Egypt didn't get them from us, they'd get them from somewhere, we were just the best deal.
Do you not fucking get the entire concept that we are highly supportive of a repressive regime in the first place?Personally, I don't give a fuck who made them, I care about how they're being used. That's what's fucking disgusting, not that they read "made in the U.S.A"
Are you so goddamn dense that you don't understand that people didn't really care about "hey this one object was made in the US" so much as what that symbolizes in large?
This is one of the surrogate babies we let suck on our teat for our aims in the region, their military is a giant bubble because we fund them. You know what helped in Tunisia? That the government wasn't being pumped full of boom boom money.
If you believe you live in an electoral democracy, and you fucking do and should be more grateful for it now then most times, you should feel slightly gross and wanting to effect change in your countries policies.
I'm sick of this reactionary knee jerk reaction of when any amount of negative spotlight gets thrown back on the US for some people who would say anything about any other country turning immeditaly to garbage like "IT WOULD BE SOMONE ELSE LOL".
You don't get to care about what X is used for when where X came from is just as important. Military support from other nations is a CENTRAL part of international understanding.
Refusing to pay attention to one to care about the other is a lie.
And why do you think we have this photo. Huh? Why?
Why are Egyptians holding up "MADE IN USA" to the camera? Why do you think they're doing that? What do you think our hypocritical position toward Egypt is doing right now? And how dense can you be to think something like that doesn't matter? Do you know anything about the Iranian revolution? How about the Khmer Rouge? What about the Taliban?
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