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    For me, this thing with the shackles is too subtle to lead to Dofla's escape from Impel Down.
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    A few months ago, I made a topic in which I discussed the theory that as an Eastern Style Dragon, Kaido’s inability to be killed is in part derived from incredibly good fortunate, afforded to him by his mythical zoan fruit. I’d like to revisit that theory now that Kaido’s devil fruit has been officially confirmed in chapter 999.

    Although Kaido has proven to be incredibly powerful, we have also seen him nearly defeated by Kozuki Oden and wounded by the Nine Scabbards. Although the text box which appears in the final panel of chapter 795 describes Kaido as the ‘strongest creature alive,’ his introduction also makes it clear that he is not unbeatable. I believe Oda has thus set up an intentional misdirect

    Kaido has suffered defeat as a pirate seven times. He has been captured by Marines or enemy ships 18 times. He has been tortured and lived as a prisoner. He was sentenced to death forty times. When he was hanged, the rope snapped. When he was put under the guillotine, the blade cracked. His hobby has been attempting suicide. Kaido is not undefeatable, but he is unkillable. And I think there is a very clear and important distinction between the two.

    We finally got a clue as to why Kaido can’t be killed in chapter 970. Oden is about to deliver a finishing blow when Higarushi, without Kaido’s knowledge or authority, imitates Momonosuke, thus diverting Oden’s attention. Pure, dumb luck saves Kaido from what would seem to be certain death.
    In East Asian folklore, Chinese style dragons (like Kaido) may often represent good fortune. Accordingly, I believe his power bestows upon him incredible good fortune in battle. If there is a remote chance, diving from a sky island, that one can collide with the Earth and survive, that a rope will snap or a guillotine will crack in an attempted execution, the odds are always in Kaido’s favor.

    In my original video, I posited that Kaido possesses a mythical Dragon Zoan fruit, but we learned in chapter 999 that Kaido in fact possesses a mythical Fish fruit – and though this initially came as a shock, it also makes perfect sense.

    Of course the hints were there all along for readers more well versed in the Japanese language as well as Japanese folklore and mythology. There is a Japanese folktale of a Koi or a Carp which swims upstream and against all odds passes through the Dragon Gate, and is thus rewarded by the gods for its perseverance by transforming into a Dragon.

    When the Straw Hat Pirates first arrive on Wano, they are greeted by a school of giant Koi fish swimming up the waterfalls surrounding the island and Kaido’s mustache in both human and dragon form closely matches the facial structure of a koi.

    Uo Uo, the name of Kaido’s fruit is also contained in the Japanese characters for his distinctive laugh pattern Worororo.

    I didn’t catch the fish connection, but I believe this revelation only further reinforces the notion that the good fortune factor is in part responsible for Kaido’s inability to be killed. Kaido, specifically, is themed on an Eastern style Dragon as is, seemingly, Momonosuke.

    Like eastern style dragons, Koi Fish are similarly associated with good luck or good fortune in Japanese folklore. Kaido’s power is derived not from an ordinary fish fruit, but a legendary or mythical model.

    We actually have good reason to believe that Mythical Zoan are not simple transformation powers like regular Zoan fruit. Marco’s phoenix flames have a healing, restorative property, matching the fabled powers of a phoenix in real world myths and folklore. The Kitsune fruit possessed by Catalina Devon similarly affords her the ability to transform. Though his powers have yet to be explained in full, Kurozumi Orochi possesses a mythical zoan which is seemingly based on the tale of the Yamata no Orocihi.

    It thus would make sense for a mythical Fish, turned Dragon fruit to grant its users additional powers which correlate to real world folklore. Kaido possesses the ability to fly using flame clouds and the nature of his transformation is seemingly based on the folktale by which his powers were inspired and his character arc seems rooted in the symbolism associated with koi turned dragons.

    Kaido was described as a rookie during his time with the legendary Rocks Pirates. We learned in 999 that Big Mom gave Kaido his mythical Fish fruit on the day Rocks collapsed following the incident on God Valley. Koi are not only associated with good luck, but are also a symbol of strength and perseverance, the traits for which the fish turned dragon was rewarded in the story of the dragon gate.

    These qualities may certainly be attributed to Kaido whose character arc seems to be centered on achieving the pinnacle of strength. We gained insight into his motivation through his recent battle with the Nine Scabbards. We have known for some time that Kaido’s intent is to start a global war, but his motivating desire remained unclear. Kaido tells the scabbards that a brilliant death is the mark of a great warrior, a completion of their life or their journey.

    During his introduction, Kaido admired the brilliant manner in which Whitebeard exited this mortal plane. Yet Kaido has proven himself time and again incapable of achieving that which he most desires – a brilliant warrior’s death.

    His crew is named the Beast or Animal Kingdom Pirates and his subordinates are all powered by zoan fruit – his commanders, the Tobi Roppo and the Calamaties are specifically based on ancient model zoan fruit – creatures long extinct in the real world. This would seem to be an intentional allusion to the natural world where survival of the fittest holds sway.

    Kaido started from the bottom on Rocks (I guess you could call it Rocks Bottom) and worked his way to the top of the food chain as one of the most powerful pirates in the world of One Piece – the strongest creature alive. His narrative and thematic arc seems centered on the principle of strength and perseverance, beginning as a small koi fish, but persevering, climbing the waterfall, and against all odds emerging as a dragon, the most powerful creature to have ever lived in the world of One Piece. Kaido has walked the warrior’s path and now all that remains, all that he hopes to achieve is a brilliant death to complete his journey to the top.

    In designing Kaido’s mythical zoan powers, Oda is clearly drawing not only on the fabled powers of a dragon, but also the symbolism associated with dragons in real world Japanese folklore. As we have established, Kaido’s narrative arc, his motivating desire are certainly rooted in the symbols of strength and perseverance.

    When Big Mom first pitched teaming up to Kaido, she said he owes her a lifelong debt. As we have recently learned, this debt was incurred when Big Mom gifted Kaido his devil fruit on God Valley. She says Kaido owes her a lifelong debt, which likely implies that his possessing the Fish Fruit is somehow responsible for his survival.

    And this is where good fortune provides an ironic twist.

    As I said, I believe Kaido’s dragon form affords him good fortune and is in part responsible for his winning streak, yet his inability to be killed has also deprived him of that which he desires – a glorious warrior’s death. And so, Big Mom granted Kaido both his greatest gift and his greatest curse. In 999,

    His devil fruit has allowed Kaido to become a great warrior, evolving from koi to dragon as he fought his way to the top – and to be clear, I do believe Kaido is incredibly powerful. Now that he has reached the apex of strength, Kaido wants to exit the stage in brilliant fashion, but fails to do so time and again because of the good luck or good fortune afforded to him by the same devil fruit power which made him such a powerful warrior.

    Interestingly, I think we were given a hint by Oda during Kaido’s introduction that this is the case. The narration box reads, ‘In a one on one fight, always bet on Kaido.’ The Beast Pirates and the upper echelon of the subsidiary Donquixote Family have names themed after card games or, in other words, games of chance.

    Basil Hawkins agrees to join Kaido when his tarot card reading shows the odds are overwhelmingly in Kaido’s favor.

    Koi Koi is a Japanese game played with Hanafuda cards. The phrase koi-koi translates to ‘come-come’ in Japanese, signaling a player’s intent to continue the hand – perhaps referenced in the opening of this story saga when Fujitora says he keeps placing the same bet on Luffy. I’m going off of the Wikipedia page for Koi-Koi here, so forgive me if there are any inaccuracies here – I’m not familiar with the game beyond the film Summer Wars in which it featured prominently.

    It’s worth noting that Momonosuke has a ‘special’ artificial Zoan which seems to be very similar to that of Kaido’s. If, in addition to its transformative power, the artificial zoan fruit imbues Momo with the same good fortune that has kept Kaido alive for all these years, Momo could be the key to finally ending Kaido’s winning streak.

    To lend a bit more weight to this theory, there may be evidence that Momo has also been imbued with good fortune. The Scabbards arrive on the scene at the exact moment Momo is to be executed by Kaido, thus sparing his life. Kaido’s introduction into the story is accompanied with narration boxes describing forty failed attempts at capital punishment. Thus, Momo’s survival may parallel Kaido’s providing further evidence that Wano’s future Shogun may be the true key to its liberation.

    The story saga began on Dressrosa with Fujitora placing a bet on Luffy – and perhaps with Momo’s good fortune on his side, the House will finally lose as the curtains close on Wano.
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    The World Government's attitude towards the Void Century is basically Oda's attitude towards giving clear hints (he usually files away anything that might let one guess beyond the surface proceedings of a chapter, or a very strict regimen of details and meanings, and prefers to only "tease" hints) and especially story developments that are close to existing theories about what will happen. I think this is a little psychological revelation.

    (This is not a complaint, that is not the point, it is just something I see an amusing parellel in.)

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    Rocks killed Brook to obtain the Yomi Yomi no Mi.

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    Wrong thread, pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    Wrong thread, pal
    That’s my theory! The O in Rocks’ jolly roger looks like Brook’s soul form. I think that Rocks was killed at God Valley and inhabited Teach’s body. That’s why Teach doesn’t sleep.

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    God I would hate it if after 23 years it turns out that One Piece is just another series where the main endgame villain is the same person that was beaten by the previous legends and has been laying low ever since to bide their time and strike back at the most opportune time.
    The leitmotiv in this series is passing on wills and dreams. Blackbeard being a flesh suit for Xebec goes against that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    God I would hate it if after 23 years it turns out that One Piece is just another series where the main endgame villain is the same person that was beaten by the previous legends and has been laying low ever since to bide their time and strike back at the most opportune time.
    The leitmotiv in this series is passing on wills and dreams. Blackbeard being a flesh suit for Xebec goes against that
    If Brook’s soul can leave his body, I’d imagine Rocks can as well. Defeating Blackbeard may involve splitting these “parts” of himself — allowing Luffy to take on Teach while Brook gets his rematch against Rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyuukarubi View Post
    If Brook’s soul can leave his body, I’d imagine Rocks can as well. Defeating Blackbeard may involve splitting these “parts” of himself — allowing Luffy to take on Teach while Brook gets his rematch against Rocks.
    Brook is supposed to beat the legendary pirate that took both Roger and Garp teaming up to defeat in a battle that erased the entire island from existence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    Brook is supposed to beat the legendary pirate that took both Roger and Garp teaming up to defeat in a battle that erased the entire island from existence?
    Yup. The very same Brook that continues to get in good hits on Big Mom (see WCI and Wano). The same one who viewed Roger as nothing more than a greenhorn (Ch. 506).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyuukarubi View Post
    Yup. The very same Brook that continues to get in good hits on Big Mom (see WCI and Wano). The same one who viewed Roger as nothing more than a greenhorn (Ch. 506).
    Brook's devil fruit gives him a leg up against Big Mom's. I hate to start a "who's stronger" discussion but do you honestly think he could beat any other big shot like Kaidou, Whitebeard or Shanks in a 1v1? Never mind that getting good hits in is far away from actually beating someone. The Akazaya got a few good hits in. Now they're lying bloodied on the floor and not getting up anytime soon.
    Brook saw Roger as a rookie because that's what Roger was at the time, simply a newcomer. That doesn't say anything about people's strengths or abilities. To Big Mom and Kaidou, the five people standing in front of them right now are rookies. And they will be beaten by them.

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    - Marco was charmed by a certain with long term nefarious in mind schemes someone into going to Wano, ie hypnotism. He will do something to more directly betray the good guys.

    - The Minks will also betray their allies, having been made privy to some startling information by Kaido and other traitors. Not only are there many serious misconceptions about their history with the Kozuki, they like Zunesha also have a prior debt that must be repaid, superseding their vows to the Kozuki. This also applies to Zunesha; it will betray the Minks in turn.

    - Kidd's magnetism will be rendered useless by Prometheus/Kaido's heat. Gets swallowed up by Big Mom's new non-ferrous, environmental homies.

    - Killer's losing use of his hands, if not losing them completely.

    - Law's getting cut to pieces ( false alarm death ). Hawkins took a lil souvenir from Law during their last encounter. Someone, probably Brooke, is going to take a shot at Hawkins, leaving Law sliced up badly. We may get a scene of Kaido/Big Mom going hog, cutting Law to "pieces." Really, Law made innovative use of his powers: he cut himself to pieces, non-lethally, ahead of time. Too bad for him that Hawkins is a a cunning foe, and sniffs this out, landing Law in prison regardless.

    - Kaido defeats Luffy in a manner reminiscent of Urashima' embarrassing defeat: Luffy will be left w/ a massive handprint in the shape of a dragon's claw -- the TALON of the Celestial Dragon. Kaido has his own version of Gear Third in the form of morphing his arm into his draconic one, full scale. It also be cloaked in haki/flames, leaving Luffy charred. Fight ends the way it began

    - Several of these characters will learn surprising facts that'll leave them unwilling to lay a hand on their enemies or hinder their ability to do so from the shock: Jinbe vs Who's Who, Franky vs. Sasaki, Sanji vs. King, probably more as we move along.

    - Who's Who reveals he's the son of Fisher Tiger. Is it a lie? Yes and no. It produces the desired effect nonetheless, causing Jinbe to hesitate.

    -King is a woman. With a third leg.

    - Back to Jinbe, it gets worse. Fate's going to turn against the good guys by piling heaps of disadvantages onto them. In Jin's case, he'll suffer a debilitating bout of weakness mid-battle, owing to his past encounter w/ BM at WCI. He didn't walk out unscathed; he offered up his life in exchange for his crew's by spinning the wheel of Misfortune, and he lost out on a lot of life-span.

    -Zoro's gonna take a swing at Kaido from behind in cheap fashion, probably because of Enma going into business for itself again. Too hard a swing, cause the sword will break upon Kaido's back. Or I should say shell, cause Kaido's part Kappa. Or Fishman, depending on what system they use to to categorize a Sea Turtle-type, racially speaking. Also, he's got a turtle shell emblem adorning it too, probably looking like the 64 hexagrams of the I-Ching.

    - Tama's also going to "betray" the good guys by releasing her hold on the SMILES from Udon she's controlling. Once she sees them getting brutally taken down, bravely sacrificing themselves for her sake, Tama will gradually lose heart and break down, unable to stomach what she's doing. This will lead to a certain Baboon looking for payback later.

    This turn might be prompted by Komachiyo's own refusal to follow her orders prior. She never kibi dango'd on him, which might lead to him trying save the Baboon, the two now friends. Stressing out, Tama might fuck up by remarking on the baboon being an ex-enemy, maybe even tries forcing a kibi dango on doggo...only forKoma to swat it aside and/or nip her; mark of a bad dog owner.

    - Expect some chicanery during the fight calling back to Kaido/Oden's fight. Could go a lot of ways, but what's certain are the outcomes: Kidd ending up pissed at Luffy, and Kaido's victory leaving a bad taste in his mouth, because Luffy had him in bad spot at one point ala Oden, or Luffy refuses to take advantage of a cheap tactic by Kidd, something. This will inform Kaido's next decision as to what to do with them.

    - This one may be overboard, but King won't just be the one to defeat Sanji based on a lil technicality...SHE'll be using a HIDDEN APPENDAGE to do so in humiliating fashion, sure to leave Sanji fans incensd...as Oda fully intends, for now; It's part a long game, so Sanji fans shouldn't fret...they'll just need to remain patient. Basically, King's got a third leg/bird talon and is going to pull a TESTICULAR CLAW HOLD to squeeze Sanji's nuts into submission. Sorta like what Robin's done in the past.

    - Nami is going to "betray" the allies as well. Her weakness is children, and seeing Tama being threatened will lead her to throw down her arms and surrender. So much for that comeback.


    - You can probably sense a pattern forming here. Zoro's "betrayal" will probably involve him freezing up due to one or more of his principles getting violated, e.g inability to cut down women ( he just doesn't realize it, more similar to Sanji than he'd care to admit ) ), his sword shattering, Kaido or Big Mom somehow ending up naked haha ( remember Zoro's remarks earlier in the arc ). Double jeopardy if it's the return....of NAKED BIG MOM. Also, she's the one to kick his ass, not the one he came to defeat, Kaido.

    Zoro fans best learn patience too. It's going to be rough for everyone involved.


    - Chopper's "betrayal" amounts to healing the enemy, even when he def shouldn't. Or failure to fight back against traitors, people he considered friends. Maybe both. Chopper's long had trust issues ( swinging in both directions ) that'll be exacerbated by the betrayal of Tristan...and Miyagi - the mastermind and anti-scapegoat of the Minks' betrayal.

    - Robin's "betrayal" probably follows Nami's in a way. She'll surrender and offer up her services in deciphering poneglyphs to spare the lives of comrades in danger of being killed. If Toko's somehow made it to Onigashima, it's a wrap. Robin's been tapping into her own maternal instincts lately, after all. Speaking of which, going back to Nami...the other Numbers are women, and may have babi oni w/ them? Uh oh.

    - These remaining are also bigger, stronger, and smarter than their male counterparts. Sexual dimorphism favors the females in the Ancient Oni line. Worse still, they'll kick the guys awake, revitalizing them through either fear or Sanji-like surges of inspiration.

    - Brooke's "betrayal" amounts to hesitating against Hawkins when he learns how his powers work. Hawkins will probably have voodoo dolls infused with both allies and enemies alike, leaving things too unpredictable for Brooke, who's unable to sacrifice any allies to whittle down Hawkins' extra ilves.

    - Going back to Luffy, as alluded before, he's gonna refuse to exploit some distraction engineered by Kidd, prob Yamato showing up to fight, only for a desperate Kidd to take her hostage, surprisingly leading Kaido to hesitate. Cue Luffy PUNCHING KIDD for threatening a friend + Luffy not wanting to win this way. So much for being a pirate, a world where cheating's fair game.

    - Kaido, the Calamties, the Tobiroppu...all have Fishmen blood to some extent. All have other exotic bloodlines too, as is already evident with oni-types like Black Maria and Kaido, for starters, King's ( Tengu ) race...doesn't end there, but for now, the big reveal will be how they all embody the Way of the Ocean ( one translation of Kaido's name ).

    We're going to see them all going Super Fishman, Derringer-style, in one big mass reveal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    Brook's devil fruit gives him a leg up against Big Mom's. I hate to start a "who's stronger" discussion but do you honestly think he could beat any other big shot like Kaidou, Whitebeard or Shanks in a 1v1? Never mind that getting good hits in is far away from actually beating someone. The Akazaya got a few good hits in. Now they're lying bloodied on the floor and not getting up anytime soon.
    Great question! While I don't believe that Brook could beat any of the Four Emperors right now he has time to grow. This also potentially changes if this is a battle between souls. It'd be interesting to see what happens when a soul has ambition (haki).

    Brook may even die again at the end of the series — before meeting Laboon; he's always been a contender. But the Straw Hats can return to the Twin Capes and sing Binks of Liquor in his honor and remembrance.

    As far as the Akazaya Nine goes, I actually have always viewed them as mid-tier characters. They're like Chaka, Pell, Wiper, or Paulie. The scale of One Piece has gotten bigger, but the formula hasn't changed.

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    Brook saw Roger as a rookie because that's what Roger was at the time, simply a newcomer. That doesn't say anything about people's strengths or abilities. To Big Mom and Kaidou, the five people standing in front of them right now are rookies. And they will be beaten by them.
    We don't know how prolific the Rumbar Pirates were. It's possible that they were big shots (Worst Generation-level in Brook's era). The Rumbar Pirates died due to poison, as their enemy poisoned their weapons upon attacking them. But it's possible that they drove off their attackers.

    The Rumbar Pirates were active during the time period when the goal wasn't to find One Piece, but rather to circumnavigate the globe. I don't think that we know exactly why Roger and Yorki had this goal in mind, so it'll be interesting to understand this time period a bit better.

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    At one point during the fight with Big Mom and Kaidou, Sanji will arrive. Big mom will be furious at him saying it's all his fault she had to kill her daughter for what he did during cake island. He will get mad like never before and manage to land one hit on Big Mom (you know, just for team sanji out there).
    Later on, we will learn that Pudding is not dead but she changed her mother memories so she could escape her life and be with Sanji one day.
    I want my dofla VS Robin!

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