Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2

[Katzztar]

From a moral viewpoint, you're probably right, from a scientific viewpoint, that's just dumb. Guess which one Vegapunk is more likely to follow?

Good people often do questionable things for the sake of Science. Plus, we still don't know if he's doing all those experiments willingly or just following orders.

Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.

[King Cannon]

Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.

They're called "Pacifistas" for a reason. They were created for a "good cause". Vegapunk could believe this.

The WG most likely doesn't care about the morality behind those practices (they don't follow Moral Justice after all). If it were to help them deal with pirates, they would allow it.

And I reinforce again: We still don't know if Vegapunk is doing all those experiments willingly or not.

[Motoss]

Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.

I'm not convinced they Vegapunk is actually using corpses. Think about it, Kuma himself is not a corpse, and modifying other people's corpses to look like Kuma would seem to be unnecessary (in fact, a variety of forms would be more useful). I think it is more likely that Vegapunk has some way to actually clone (make copies) of the original Kuma, and uses these copies to improve the design.

[Nycprodigy]

Is it so hard to just leave the pacifistas as advanced robots. Kuma is the first one experimented on and he gave "birth" to the idea of making the new paacifistas. Didn't think it was so hard to understand.

[MBL]

This may be a little exaggerated, but about Roger's Devil Fruit (if he had one); I think it was some kind of Gold Devil Fruit, you know turning himself and objects around him to gold. I've had this thought for a long time now. It could be a reason why the Government calls him Gold Roger, and it would support the fact that One Piece is not a typical treasure like Gold and Diamonds.

Again, it may be exaggerated, and sorry if this has been said before.

[RomanceDawn]

The Midas Midas no mi?

[Nautilus]

I like the idea but I do believe that the reason he was called Gold Roger was because his name was Gol D. Roger but the marines sort of combined it together.

[Katzztar]

I'm not convinced they Vegapunk is actually using corpses. Think about it, Kuma himself is not a corpse, and modifying other people's corpses to look like Kuma would seem to be unnecessary (in fact, a variety of forms would be more useful). I think it is more likely that Vegapunk has some way to actually clone (make copies) of the original Kuma, and uses these copies to improve the design.

Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.

[King Cannon]

The Marines probably made up the whole "Gold Roger" thing to cover up his connection with the Will of D.

[Razza]

I think the whole Kuma theories is over complicating things a bit. Vegapunk won't just go gung-ho on Kuma, putting a wire here and there etc.The bodies would have been used for experimenting and testing cyborg designs before he made the real thing. Than, when Kuma was complete, he was replicated and refined over time.

[King Cannon]

Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.

How long will it take to you to realize that the WG doesn't care if corpses are used to create weapons? They aren't above taking down a ship full of innocent people just to kill a little girl.

This is already the third time I'm adressing this: We don't know if Vegapunks is doing all those experiments willingly or not. And even if he's doing it willingly, he could be doing it with good intentions. The Pacifistas were made to hunt criminals, after all.

[Katzztar]

How long will it take to you to realize that the WG doesn't care if corpses are used to create weapons? They aren't above taking down a ship full of innocent people just to kill a little girl.

Please go re-read my posts. I never argued that the WG care about that. My posts are how we fans see Vegapunk as good or evil. Many fans refuse to see that there is a middle area, it is not all black or white.

This is already the third time I'm adressing this: We don't know if Vegapunks is doing all those experiments willingly or not. And even if he's doing it willingly, he could be doing it with good intentions. The Pacifistas were made to hunt criminals, after all.

Good intentions still do not excuse some acts. If slavery is wrong, so is descracrating the dead.

I am not saying that Vegapunk is totally evil. I am saying that he is a complex character that is in the middle. It may be by choice or by force, Moral justice or Absolute justice, doesn't matter whcih one it is. My point is that Vegapunk is not a sterling good boy, as a few people are saying. Why is it so hard to accept?

We accept Franky and he was the leader of thugs who mobbed Usopp. Franky has fists made of steel but that didn't stop him from hitting Usopp when Usopp dragged himself to thier hideout, beggign to return the moey they stole. I do not deny that Franky was a lowlife back then but Franky is my 3rd fave Strawhat, with Usopp being my first.

I am not bashing Vegapunk, I am accepting that he is more complex than just "good or evil". It is complexity that makes the best characters. I am wanting to point that out so people will appreciate the full impact of the character of Vegapunk.

To deny that Vegapunk has negative points is selling his character short.

[King Cannon]

Nobody here is calling Vegapunk a saint. He could be genuinely good-natured, despite his questionable experiments.

[akagami7]

Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.

Are you sure? look at waht i've qouted here

In what chapter Sentoumaru said that Pacifistas were built from human corpses?

here

Spoiler:

http://i24.mangareader.net/one-piece...ece-925075.jpg

although i think there was a translation issue as well with this one.

Oh, So it was in the war, because of that I haven't found it reading Sabaody arc.
Thanks.

Yeah, I think this was one of two translations that seemed to question whether or not the whole case with the corpses was accurate or not..

I honestly don't know which is true, though, to be honest, as I'm not exactly fluent in Japanese. However, if I remember correctly, I think the actual subbed episode didn't use the "corpses" portion of the dialogue, though I might be wrong.

aohige's translation for the same

"pirate: I've heard rumors.. that Dr Vegapunk is developing a "Human weapon", and have been sending prototypes into missions!!
But why do they all look like Kuma!?"
from chapter 562.

afaik anime too used the same thing , no mention of corpses there.

[Katzztar]

Are you sure? look at waht i've qouted here

ahh, sorry I'd like to answer you but I don't understand what you're mean here.

Since you emphasised the part where I say "Oda said its corpses in the manga" I would have thought you were asking me if I was sure on that statement. But you quote another personthen copied the question aksing where it was said, and another person gave the link (same page I've given a link to in a previous post) to where the manga says it.

So, on what are you asking asking me am I sure on?

[nanly]

I have one here! http://peacetheory.wordpress.com/pon...est-swordsman/

// Zoro’s scar is the mark of a challenger to Yoru who has lost.
Assumption: We are indeed correct in calling Rayleigh’s old cape the cape of the strongest swordsman.
<-> Zoro fought Mihawk but received no scar earlier in the series
--> Mihawk used a dagger.
<-> Rayleigh has a scar.
–> Presumably because Mihawk had to use Yoru to defeat Rayleigh for his cape.
<-> Zoro trained with Mihawk and now has a scar.
–> Presumably because Zoro is so strong that Mihawk had to train him with Yoru.
<-> Mihawk has no scar.
–> Presumably because he beat whoever he had to for Yoru in order to become its owner.

What do you guys think? I think it explains neatly why Mihawk has Rayleigh's cape, and why Zoro and Rayleigh have scars but Mihawk doesn't.

EDIT: So there's a huge problem with this - Rayleigh had his scar way before Mihawk should've been old enough to do any real damage to him. The only explanation at this point is that Rayleigh got his scar from the previous owner of Yoru, but now I'm just making the theory fit the theory and that's bad science. Leaving it up for the sake of transparency/inspiring conversation/thought :P

[akagami7]

ahh, sorry I'd like to answer you but I don't understand what you're mean here.

Since you emphasised the part where I say "Oda said its corpses in the manga" I would have thought you were asking me if I was sure on that statement. But you quote another personthen copied the question aksing where it was said, and another person gave the link (same page I've given a link to in a previous post) to where the manga says it.

So, on what are you asking asking me am I sure on?

read till the end, the last guy who participated in the discussion posted this

aohige's translation for the same

"pirate: I've heard rumors.. that Dr Vegapunk is developing a "Human weapon", and have been sending prototypes into missions!!
But why do they all look like Kuma!?"
from chapter 562.

afaik anime too used the same thing , no mention of corpses there.

as you see aohige's translation is completely different.

[Md-Martin]

This whole argument really makes me want to get to the Vegapunk arc already. I want to finally see what has caused him to stay with the Marines and cause him to work on the Pacifista's, let alone give Kuma some free reign before he "died".

[Quinn Sankari]

OKAY BIG LONG LIST OF THEORIES TIME ALL UP INS.

First off some current stuff.

The Punk Hazard the fire/ice island is the place Akainu and Aokiji had their duel. Ace caused the snow to stop on drum island for three days just for being there. Imagine what two Admiral Class Logias going all out in a fight would do to a place.

The shichibukai that the dragon/torso inside the dragon (It wasn't really clear god following manga is hard.) was talking about was Trafalger Law maybe? Or maybe Buggy I guess. Hell it might be Buggy in there actually ya know what fuck it I don't even know I hate following manga it is so confuuuuuse. Gonna watch this all in the anime later anyway and it will make sense yay!

Jimbe is gonna be the first of a sort of...Division Commander? Sort of like Marco and Juzu and Ace were of the Straw Hat Pirates. Or maybe just an ally pirate ship. Whatever he'll fly the straw hat's flag but not be an official group member I think.

aaaaand now some broader generalizations.

First off I predict we will meet (Not counting flash back characters) exactly one more D. and he will be an up and comer rookie pirate with Ace's fruit.

Also Don Flamingo is gonna be an arc boss for sure prolly' working for the Goureisei or whatever.

And Dragon maybe might be an arc boss and has either a Wind Logia or a Dragon Mythic Zoan.

I think Bonnie is important to the World Government cause her fruit is what keeps the Goureisei alive.

Kaidou is almost certainly just a massive bag of dicks and I think that Moria might team up with the straw hats if and when the time comes for them to square off against Kaidou.

I think more Samurai are gonna show up and that Zoro's mentor guy in east blue was one of them.

Also I think we're gonna see Coby and Halmeppo again and they will be Vice Admiral and Rear Admiral respectively.

Also since Akainu is now Fleet Admiral and Aokiji is now a fugitive. I think. While the pool of characters capable of stepping up isn't huge. I'd place my bets on Momonga (the Vice Admiral who escorted Hancock to Impel Down) and Onigumo (the Vice Admiral who cuffed Marco with sea stone at Marineford)

[AppleSauce]

OKAY BIG LONG LIST OF THEORIES TIME ALL UP INS.

First off some current stuff.

1. The Punk Hazard the fire/ice island is the place Akainu and Aokiji had their duel. Ace caused the snow to stop on drum island for three days just for being there. Imagine what two Admiral Class Logias going all out in a fight would do to a place.
2. The shichibukai that the dragon/torso inside the dragon (It wasn't really clear god following manga is hard.) was talking about was Trafalger Law maybe? Or maybe Buggy I guess. Hell it might be Buggy in there actually ya know what fuck it I don't even know I hate following manga it is so confuuuuuse. Gonna watch this all in the anime later anyway and it will make sense yay!
3. Jimbe is gonna be the first of a sort of...Division Commander? Sort of like Marco and Juzu and Ace were of the Straw Hat Pirates. Or maybe just an ally pirate ship. Whatever he'll fly the straw hat's flag but not be an official group member I think.
4. First off I predict we will meet (Not counting flash back characters) exactly one more D. and he will be an up and comer rookie pirate with Ace's fruit.
5. Also Don Flamingo is gonna be an arc boss for sure prolly' working for the Goureisei or whatever.
6. And Dragon maybe might be an arc boss and has either a Wind Logia or a Dragon Mythic Zoan.
7. I think Bonnie is important to the World Government cause her fruit is what keeps the Goureisei alive.
8. Kaidou is almost certainly just a massive bag of dicks and I think that Moria might team up with the straw hats if and when the time comes for them to square off against Kaidou.
9. I think more Samurai are gonna show up and that Zoro's mentor guy in east blue was one of them.
10. Also I think we're gonna see Coby and Halmeppo again and they will be Vice Admiral and Rear Admiral respectively.
11. Also since Akainu is now Fleet Admiral and Aokiji is now a fugitive. I think. While the pool of characters capable of stepping up isn't huge. I'd place my bets on Momonga (the Vice Admiral who escorted Hancock to Impel Down) and Onigumo (the Vice Admiral who cuffed Marco with sea stone at Marineford)

Hmm.. let me see here.

1. Already brought up and it could be possible but Not likely unless Akainu is capable of Summing Volcanic Mountains.(it could be the same island though)
2. Possible or most likely
3. Possible as well but i think not. Jinbei will join alone and his crew will be free from the shackles of Big Mom to go home.
4. I don't think so or at least i hope not. I don't want to see Ace's fruit again. I don't mind seeing more D's though
5. oh Doflamingo requires more than just 1 arc.
6. Dragon is most likely a Paramecia.
7. Duh.. we know Bonnie is important to the Government.
8. Kaido also got beef with Drake so... we will see.
9. We know their are more Samurai's on the island. and Zoro's Sensei being from Wano is New to my Ears.
10. No way.... Coby or Helmp Cannot be VA not yet. Rear admirals maybe.
11. Aoi kiji is not a Fugitive(from what we know so far). I really want to see if there are new admiral as well...