Yu-Gi-Oh! US Deal Terminated - 4Kids Sued For Millions

[Chopperrules]

One Piece wasn't heavily changed for the anime though. Yes it has changes but not to Yu-gi-oh!'s degree. I don't get why you'd want to get a redub of the Yu-gi-oh! anime when the original was edited in the first place! That doesn't make any sense.

Seems a bit wierd to criticise the 4kids version for being edited when the japanese version is still a mess.

I'm done arguing with you. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Just because it's not the same as the manga doesn't mean it's still not good.

As mentioned above, the original Full Metal Alchemist (not Brotherhood) deviated from the manga and was still very good.

And filler aside, the anime doesn't differ from the manga as much as you're saying. It still follows the same plots. I guess season 5 was changed the most, but Battle City was almost scene for scene the same, with some of the dueling sequences different.

[RobbyBevard]

I still remember in the fourth pokemon movie 4KIDS had the Japanese studio create 3 minutes of new footage and added excessive bonus lines because they thought so little of their viewer's intelligence.

The Japanese audience can pick up on the nice subtle bit, but the American audience? Hoo boy, they're dopes, can't trust them! Gotta make it as glaring and obvious as possible and turn it into the entire point of the movie!

[SympathyX]

I'm done arguing with you. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Just because it's not the same as the manga doesn't mean it's still not good.

Wasn't really arguing tbh dude. I didn't say it wasn't good. I just don't think it'd be worth redubbing. Especially not after all this time anyway. Theres a lot of episodes and last time they tested the waters nobody bought the dvds. All I was saying was that at least the superior version is all readily available in english.

And filler aside, the anime doesn't differ from the manga as much as you're saying. It still follows the same plots. I guess season 5 was changed the most, but Battle City was almost scene for scene the same, with some of the dueling sequences different.

It's a shame they never expanded on Death-T and Monster World instead of cramming them into bizarre shitty one offs that made little to no sense. Some of the best stuff is in the first couple of volumes and it'd have been great to see it re-animated. Wasn't a big fan of Season 0. Battle City wasn't so bad, true but going into a long Virtual World filler right in the middle was weird and broke it up far too much.

I actually fucking loved the Orichalcos filler.

[Chopperrules]

Wasn't really arguing tbh dude. I didn't say it wasn't good. I just don't think it'd be worth redubbing. Especially not after all this time anyway. Theres a lot of episodes and last time they tested the waters nobody bought the dvds. All I was saying was that at least the superior version is all readily available in english.


It's a shame they never expanded on Death-T and Monster World instead of cramming them into bizarre shitty one offs that made little to no sense. Some of the best stuff is in the first couple of volumes and it'd have been great to see it re-animated. Wasn't a big fan of Season 0. Battle City wasn't so bad, true but going into a long Virtual World filler right in the middle was weird and broke it up far too much.

I actually fucking loved the Orichalcos filler.

Well okay, maybe I'm just misunderstanding. It's hard to read into posts sometimes over the internet, so sorry.

I agree about season 0/series 1. Some of it was good, but the final volumes before the card games were handled pretty bad by the anime, more specifically Death-T, which is one of the best arcs before the card games started up.

It's true the Virtual World comes out of left field, but in the original it actually fits well with Kaiba's character and a lot of the dialogue between Noah and Kaiba and then Noah and Yugi really make sense and fit well with the series. It does a good job setting the stage for the rest of Battle City and for Yugi, his spiritual journey as a whole. Well, that's just my opinion. That is one of my favorite arcs in the anime under Battle City. Doma is also good. The Memory World arc was good in the anime, but made a lot more sense at times in the manga.

Anyway, as for a redub, I doubt it'd happen anyway. At best, I'd hope for 5D's to get a re-dub, but even that is probably expecting too much.

[RobbyBevard]

Battle City wasn't so bad, true but going into a long Virtual World filler right in the middle was weird and broke it up far too much.

Thats an inevitable problem when a manga does a 2 or 3 year arc and the anime is right behind it. At least they opted to do a bonus story rather than horrendously pad out the actual story that followed with lots of staring, raction shots, and randomly cutting away to other locations, ala Dragonball.

But yeah, they probably should have started that *before* the final leg of the tournament (with Marik revealed and half the cast in a coma and whatnot). If they'd done it right after getting on the blimp it wouldn't have been so bad... and they could have fillered Marik and Mai and Bakura in, I guess.

I actually fucking loved the Orichalcos filler.

The Orihalcos filler was great. Some genuine threat and stakes going on in that one. And Yugi actually LOST a damn battle.

(Of course he lost, he had more life points. The person with the life points closest to 0 always wins. ESPECIALLY when the opponent has more points than they started the game with. )

[SympathyX]

Well okay, maybe I'm just misunderstanding. It's hard to read into posts sometimes over the internet, so sorry.

I agree about season 0/series 1. Some of it was good, but the final volumes before the card games were handled pretty bad by the anime, more specifically Death-T, which is one of the best arcs before the card games started up.

It's true the Virtual World comes out of left field, but in the original it actually fits well with Kaiba's character and a lot of the dialogue between Noah and Kaiba and then Noah and Yugi really make sense and fit well with the series. It does a good job setting the stage for the rest of Battle City and for Yugi, his spiritual journey as a whole. Well, that's just my opinion. That is one of my favorite arcs in the anime under Battle City. Doma is also good. The Memory World arc was good in the anime, but made a lot more sense at times in the manga.

Anyway, as for a redub, I doubt it'd happen anyway. At best, I'd hope for 5D's to get a re-dub, but even that is probably expecting too much.

Hey man no worries.

I dunno, I liked the Gozaburo parts of it but I really couldn't get on with Noah at all. Isn't that the one where the big five come back as different Duel Monsters and summon the five headed god dragon at the end? ...yeah I have bad memories of that one.

...oh christ, wasn't Tristan/Honda turned into a Monkey?!

Season 0 was adapted pretty badly all around. Didn't like adding Miho to the cast and wasn't a fan of the changes to the games.

The memory world arc in the anime is absolutely bizarre. I swear I've watched it three times and didn't get what the actual deal with Bakura was at all. Read it once and it all became clear. Really loved the Monster World throwback. Orichalcos was the only filler arc I watched in the DM anime that I wasn't constantly screaming get the fuck on with it! I remember the battles on the train being pretty intense as far as Yugioh goes.

[Chopperrules]

But yeah, they probably should have started that *before* the final leg of the tournament (with Marik revealed and half the cast in a coma and whatnot). If they'd done it right after getting on the blimp it wouldn't have been so bad... and they could have fillered Marik and Mai and Bakura in, I guess.

This is my only issue with the Noah arc. It would have kicked ass if Malik and Bakura had larger roles (other than being the side psycho and in a coma buddy). At least Malik wreaked havoc in the end.

The Orihalcos filler was great. Some genuine threat and stakes going on in that one. And Yugi actually LOST a damn battle.

(Of course he lost, he had more life points. The person with the life points closest to 0 always wins. ESPECIALLY when the opponent has more points than they started the game with. )

Yes, the writing overall was good IMO. The dub was actually pretty decent, but the original had a lot more depth to it, going as far as to have Pegasus and Dartz make a lot of historical callbacks. Doma, much like the Yliasters in 5D's, are an interesting organization orchestrating the world politics from the shadows, something I always find interesting because it's probably true.

Hey man no worries.

I dunno, I liked the Gozaburo parts of it but I really couldn't get on with Noah at all. Isn't that the one where the big five come back as different Duel Monsters and summon the five headed god dragon at the end? ...yeah I have bad memories of that one.

...oh christ, wasn't Tristan/Honda turned into a Monkey?!

Season 0 was adapted pretty badly all around. Didn't like adding Miho to the cast and wasn't a fan of the changes to the games.

The memory world arc in the anime is absolutely bizarre. I swear I've watched it three times and didn't get what the actual deal with Bakura was at all. Read it once and it all became clear. Really loved the Monster World throwback. Orichalcos was the only filler arc I watched in the DM anime that I wasn't constantly screaming get the fuck on with it! I remember the battles on the train being pretty intense as far as Yugioh goes.

Yes, Honda was turned into a monkey.

The Big Five stuff was decent, but for me the arc doesn't pick up until Noah battles Kaiba. As a villain, Noah is pretty interesting for me. The original is much better because his death in the dub is completely numbed down and you don't really care, while it's much more touching in the Japanese.

And your comments about Bakura are quite true with the anime versus manga. I still like Bakura as a villain and enjoyed him in the anime as well, but they really screwed things up with not explaining how he split himself so many times. The manga was clear from the beginning - he split is soul in his battle with Malik into the Millennium Puzzle and that was that. In the anime, he seriously split his soul about 5 or 6 different times. And the actual Thief Bakura character was written off as only being possessed by Zorc, while in the manga he himself was also a lunatic and was one of the ancestors of present day Bakura.

Don't get me started on how Zorc was handled. The foreshadowing with Akhenaden was much better in the manga.

[RoboBlue]

4kids filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy: http://www.4-traders.com/news/4Kids-...-11--13596393/

[OrangeNinjasSucks]

Yeah Kahn definately saved his ass by stepping down with a buttload of money. There's no doubt he knew all was this was bound to happen.

[Malintex_Terek]

Yeah Kahn definately saved his ass by stepping down with a buttload of money. There's no doubt he knew all was this was bound to happen.

Anyone could have predicted this, and many did in fact (with reasoning, not just DIE4KIDSDIE). Kahn actually left during a humbling time, if he wanted to bail out earlier he could have made a lot more, like during 2004 or 2006 when the company was still doing good business.

It's the culmination of a long series of changes in how kids watch TV, there's no going back now.

[Retro]

4kids filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy: http://www.4-traders.com/news/4Kids-...-11--13596393/

...Ouch.

Well it was a hoot while it lasted.