Bleach Discussion 0: Quinzis and the Hollowcaust

[MasterKingJC]

Bleach Asylum:

castiel:
I hate Toriko and I have read it,going on adventures in search for food is not creative,,it goes overboard with the simplest things and the characters are one dimensional.
Your post seems familiar are you that guy on AP forums that bashes bleach and BA members in the Felch Discussion because I saw a post that was identical to yours.
Anyhow Im new here,I like this arc a big improvement from the recent one.

Regarding the rankings I never cared for it ,OP tops it every week and the FI arc is horrid,I just wish it was a fair process,like a group of individuals within WSJ who have an idea of what they are doing and rank the chapters accordingly.

AHAHAHAHA!
Looks like he's onto us.

Did this guy used to be a member here?

[Sonic Youth]

There's probably some lurking fans of Naruto and Bleach who'd never dare join the forum.

[Oga Simpson]

Bleach Asylum:

AHAHAHAHA!
Looks like he's onto us.

Did this guy used to be a member here?

Whoever he is, he's obviously insane! The fact that he has actually read Toriko and OP and still doesn't like them(well Toriko at least) makes his statement even stranger. Having said that, whether he likes a series or not is entirely up to him.

[Cyan D. Funk]

Suddenly I'm reminded of when Zephos presented posts from that OP MSN group in the criticism thread.

[MasterKingJC]

Yeah, but doesn't it seem weird that his first post on BA is just to coincidentally point out that one post on that thread is identical to another post on AP Forums?
It's too strange to just be a random lurker.

[Aaronrules380]

I love how he ignores that rankings are chosen by fan vote, which is about as fair as it can get as it considers what the readers enjoy. And having people within WSJ rank manga would be entirely pointless

[akagami7]

I don't understand how he thinks that there is only a guy who bashes bleach here.

[Bucephalus]

So what exactly is the point of Bleach at this point?

As horrible as the Aizen arc was, I definitely could have seen the series successfully (the word's relative) after Aizen died and Ichigo lost his powers. Maybe finally wrap up that poorly-structured romance between Orihime and Ichigo and just send off the series.

But instead Kubo launched into this utterly anti-climactic and awkward arc. How the hell is this series even going to end? The previous chapters had sort of built up Aizen as the ultimate, final villain, but then he got beaten and we just get these piece of shit clones like Ginjou who are too useless and unmemorable to replace Aizen's role.

[No Maam]

Yeah, why the fuck do you need an established tier system and world building and creative locations, when we can have the same spaces of white walls and ilustrated air , spiked up with clouds of swirling dust as we've had for the previous several hundred chapters.

Seriously, does that guy have some kind of allergy towards content ?

[Aaronrules380]

You know, I wonder how these guys would argue against the horrible inconsistency of Bleach if we brought up things like Chad's power having 4 different explanations. I imagine they'd either say it isn't important and it's just "minor details", or if they're really trying to look smart, they might argue the inconsistency makes Bleach better because it lets you pick and choose the explanation you like

[Tokoro Ataru]

The problem with Bleach compared to Toriko and a lot of the better shonen as of late is that Bleach more rides on an earlier style of manga storytelling that sort of doesn't work as well anymore if you're not good at it: making it up as you go along. Most of the successful shonen these days (OP, Toriko, perhaps Naruto early on) use a major factor of world-building in order to take something simple and expand it so that you see the small things yet at the same time it affects a bigger and bigger picture. It may not seem like anything, but it is growing into something massive that you will feel the effects of years down the line, as is the case with many successful novels.

Bleach on the other hand is on the old-school "make it up as you go along" focus. Sure there is some world building, but it is for the most part of the really short term while you just throw some crap around and hope something sticks. The reason it worked in the past is because there wasn't too many "rules" to write and to focus on in shonen manga or the stories were way simpler to make and easier to read week by week. But you can see major inconsistancies with these rules if you think too hard of them...trust me, when I translated "Kinnikuman", there were so many moments of wall-banging that I just have a ton of bumps on my head for how things were resolved. It doesn't take away from the awesomeness of Kinnikuman, but it does make one really realize that it's' the kind of series you just shouldn't think about.

Bleach is obviously the latter, which may not be a bad thing at first. Having a series where you don't have to think about these things and that are just made up as the author goes along can work if done right like in the old days. The problem...is Kubo. He has so little of an idea of what he wants to do with Bleach regarding what he wants with his characters and where he tries to take them and his obvious obsession with style over substance that it weighs everything down. If you look at Bleach from concept, you can figure out a ton of things that could be awesome and developed in the hands of a good author. But sadly, with Kubo being said author and artist, it just becomes one big pile of crap that just gets smellier and stupider the longer it sticks around. One can forgive insanity if the series remains awesome in some way (like in Kinnikuman), but it''s unforgivable when it's insane as well as incomprehensible. It's Kubo that makes one really realize why so many mangaka need to use world-building these days: so it doesn't end up like this.

And BTW: there is nothing wrong with putting style over substance...just make the style work instead of relying on cliches to further the mess that you are. Again: maybe Kubo has things that could work out if in the hands of a good mangaka, but even so he's behind it and we're stuck with what we have. That's why we complain a lot.

[Mortea]

There's probably some lurking fans of Naruto and Bleach who'd never dare join the forum.

1. Our forum is too masculine for them
2. We are not fanboys, we are fans. Our breeds don't mix.

I love how he ignores that rankings are chosen by fan vote, which is about as fair as it can get as it considers what the readers enjoy. And having people within WSJ rank manga would be entirely pointless

I see they will make up ANY bullshit excuse just to say that Bleach is offended (and point the culprit), and no one sees the true supreme beauty that shines over everything.

[No Maam]

You know, I wonder how these guys would argue against the horrible inconsistency of Bleach if we brought up things like Chad's power having 4 different explanations. I imagine they'd either say it isn't important and it's just "minor details", or if they're really trying to look smart, they might argue the inconsistency makes Bleach better because it lets you pick and choose the explanation you like

I brought that up on NF and the guy claimed how the first explanation "caused it", the second one "activated it", the third one "further evolved it" and so on.

[Strawhat Chan]

Yeah, but doesn't it seem weird that his first post on BA is just to coincidentally point out that one post on that thread is identical to another post on AP Forums?
It's too strange to just be a random lurker.

Maybe he's someone from here who secretly loves Bleach but too afraid to go against the us so he joins to bash it together with us!

[No Maam]

Maybe he's someone from here who secretly loves Bleach but too afraid to go against the us so he joins to bash it together with us!

..........Why are you all looking at me like that ?

Just because I have the most posts in every Bleach thread since I joined in doesn't prove a thing !

[Strawhat Chan]

..........Why are you all looking at me like that ?

Just because I have the most posts in every Bleach thread since I joined in doesn't prove a thing !

So it IS you! I knew it!

Guys, lets stone him with quality manga! that will teach No Maam!

[Kareem Said]

Let's see, quality manga: One Piece. Fullmetal Alchemist. Berserk. Hunter x Hunter. Toriko. Negima. Eyeshield 21. Beelzebub. Gintama. Soul Eater. I think that should be enough. READ THESE MANGA NO MAAM, YOU DAMN BLEACHTARD!!

But seriously that guy on Bleach Asylum. I actually agree that Toriko's characterization could use work, but when you're a fan of Bleach you honestly have no right to say that any other series has bad characterization. The Visoreds, The Arrancar, The Fullbringers, even most of Soul Society were terrible, one-dimensional characters as we've been over multiple times. The only major group of characters Kubo created that were actually pretty good were the Karakura Town residents back in the beginning of the series. Sadly the only one of those characters who ended up mattering in the long run was Ichigo (who lost what personality he once had.)

And that got me thinking about something else. We here at AP Forums are like most fans of any medium or work of fiction. We enjoy reading and watching stories with likable and memorable characters. Besides Toriko, all of the series I mentioned above that I really like, I like for the characters more than anything else. I love the characters personalities and seeing them interact with each other and bounce off one another. I like when they have dramatic moments where they get to prove themselves in dire circumstances. And I imagine most other people on this forum like those series for those reasons too.

And as for series that we here on AP Forums don't like: Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Rave Master, Gantz, Prince of Tennis, Reborn, Shaman King, InuYasha, Air Gear. There are many reasons why those series are reviled on this forum but with the possible exception of Naruto one of the biggest is that it's generally agreed that they're filled with one-dimensional, unlikeable characters with few exceptions. Of course ultimately characters *are* subjective, but I've found that a lot of Bleach's characters only really have fanbases because of their attractiveness. *cough* Byakuya. *cough* Hitsugaya.

We here at Arlong Park Forums don't bash series because we worship One Piece and we can't have any other series challenge One Piece's supremacy which is what the Narutards and Bleach fanboys imply. We just judge series based on the writing and how much we latch on to it, like any group of intelligent people. (I mean for Christ's sake pretty much every poster here has series they like just as much if not more than One Piece.)

Oh yeah. And Nausicaa. Read that series No Maam and wash away the brain washing Kubo has done to you! Please!

[killerbee1000]

Bleach Asylum:

AHAHAHAHA!
Looks like he's onto us.

Did this guy used to be a member here?

The first person that came to my mind was Zoom.

[MasterKingJC]

Oh, I forgot about Zoom. He was banned at least a year ago if I remember correctly.
I doubt it's him.

[pyromonki]

Bleach Asylum:

AHAHAHAHA!
Looks like he's onto us.

Did this guy used to be a member here?

I feel like I just did an Aizen reveal on the forum.

You're right... IT WAS ME.

"ZERO HOPE"