Marvel Movies Thread

[Hekti]

One thing that confused me a bit was

Spoiler:

How did Banner gain control of the Hulk? It seemed ambiguous for the majority of the movie wether he could control the beast or not and then when he transforms the first time he goes ape shit. But then he seems to be able to control it for the final fight saying "I'm always angry" which, while a great line, doesn't make a ton of sense...

Spoiler:

Well in The Incredible Hulk (the one with Edward Norton) it was indicated that he learned to control his transformation, but you're right. The whole movie it is like "we should pay attention that Banner doesn't transform by accident" and in the end it is a controlled transformation.

For me I think Banner can control most of the time if he wants to transform into Hulk or not but there are exceptions like getting shot or something when he just lose it and break out.

[Nex]

One thing that confused me a bit was

Spoiler:

How did Banner gain control of the Hulk? It seemed ambiguous for the majority of the movie wether he could control the beast or not and then when he transforms the first time he goes ape shit. But then he seems to be able to control it for the final fight saying "I'm always angry" which, while a great line, doesn't make a ton of sense...

Spoiler:

When he firsts transforms in the movie, it's not of his own will, which is why he isn't in control. He got hurt which caused the Hulk to come out of its out of its own accord.

Later he willingly becomes the Hulk after informing Captain that his secret is he's always angry. That's the kicker. Because he's always angry, he doesn't lose himself to it. He still has control. For the most part. As evidenced by the Hulk punching Thor, the Hulk is still willing to pick a fight.

So really it comes down to whether or not he willingly becomes the Hulk.

I think.

[RobbyBevard]

One thing that confused me a bit was

Spoiler:

How did Banner gain control of the Hulk? It seemed ambiguous for the majority of the movie wether he could control the beast or not and then when he transforms the first time he goes ape shit. But then he seems to be able to control it for the final fight saying "I'm always angry" which, while a great line, doesn't make a ton of sense...

Spoiler:

Loki's staff was messing with everyone's heads. He wasn't planting thoughts into them, but he WAS amplifying their actual angers and problems, which is what led to the big argument in the middle of the room and put everyone on high tension and disagreement.

So the first time he became Hulk, its because Loki pushed him into it, and because he was hurt.

The second time he CHOSE to become Hulk, so had control.

[Retro]

Spoiler:

Bruce also mentions that at one point he tried to kill himself by shooting point blank in his mouth. The Hulk managed to catch the bullet in his teeth and spit it back out. So it more of a "if he dies, I die with it" thing. Bruce has since then been trying to cooperate with the Hulk inside of him to keep him from raging and to only come out when both have a mutual desire for surivial. Like the previous posts said the first time was Loki's doing messing with the Hulk's head. The second time was a willing part on Bruce (and proabaly the Hulk wanting revenge for the humilation)

[Ubiq]

Spoiler:

Loki's staff was messing with everyone's heads. He wasn't planting thoughts into them, but he WAS amplifying their actual angers and problems, which is what led to the big argument in the middle of the room and put everyone on high tension and disagreement.

So the first time he became Hulk, its because Loki pushed him into it, and because he was hurt.

The second time he CHOSE to become Hulk, so had control.

Spoiler:

I need to watch it again, but hadn't Thor also knocked away Loki's staff by the second time he transformed?

But yeah, it was definitely the staff that was the problem the first time especially if that was the Soul Gem in it.

[Thousand Lion-chan]

I heard the full movie has about an hour of cut out material. I'm so buying the director's cut of this DVD!!!

[RobbyBevard]

Extended director's cuts aren't always better. Yes there's often a scene or two that, once they're back in make you go "Oh yeh, that belonged there, that fleshes the entire sequence out better", but there's also often stuff that drags down the pace badly and had every reason to be cut, or its just a random subplot that went nowhere. Deleted scenes are often pretty bad, and you can see why they were deleted.

Its actually a little worrisome when you hear there's an entire extra hour of material. If it was the first thing cut, rather than this moment or that moment, then... there's probably a reason. Editing down usually makes something stronger, not weaker.

Most of that will be 10 seconds here, 20 seconds there, a line of dialogue that was unneeded over here... its not like its going to be full blown 5 or 10 minute character or action sequences that were lost.

I can see there being some more explanations, character moments, action bits, but... an hour is a LOT to add to a 2 hour movie.

[Thousand Lion-chan]

Well there's this

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/avengers-...8Y8f4FmTNI#_=_

I think in this case, what got cut out was a bunch of character building moments that were great but affected the pacing. I thought the movie flew by pretty quickly so the more fun character interactions and witty banter the better. I've seen the movie twice (and will probably have watched it more times by the time the DVD comes out) so having something new even if it weakens the movie a little would be nice. It's still great to own such a DVD just for the tons of extra stuff like director commentary and whatnot. Do such DVDs come with both edited and uncut versions or just the uncut? Because then it would definitely be a worthy purchase.

[RobbyBevard]

Usually the theatrical and directors cuts are sold seperately... (and the director's cut comes months or even a year later) with different commentaries and bonus features. Totally double dipping to make you buy it twice. Except when its only like five minutes of additional footage.

Unless its Blade Runner and packaged with 28 different versions anyway.

[Thousand Lion-chan]

Oh boo. Welp, gonna have to buy them both then!!!

[Law of the sea]

The movie was more like X-men but not as bad as the x-men movies however the first x-men movie was ok it was just the later ones that sucked lol

[pyromonki]

Oh boo. Welp, gonna have to buy them both then!!!

Or... you could rent the first one to watch it again for a dollar and then buy the director's cut?

Just Saiyan?

[left4lol]

I'm surprised no one had brought up

Spoiler:

That all the alien suddenly died after their mothership destroyed

it's probably the most wtf scene for me in this movie.

The movie was more like X-men but not as bad as the x-men movies however the first x-men movie was ok it was just the later ones that sucked lol

What are you talking about the first class and x2 is a good movie. especially the first class.

[Nobodyman]

Spoiler:

Loki's staff was messing with everyone's heads. He wasn't planting thoughts into them, but he WAS amplifying their actual angers and problems, which is what led to the big argument in the middle of the room and put everyone on high tension and disagreement.

So the first time he became Hulk, its because Loki pushed him into it, and because he was hurt.

The second time he CHOSE to become Hulk, so had control.

Spoiler:

Oh, thank you for explaining that. I didn't get that Loki's staff was messing with their heads. I actually thought the scenes where they were fighting with each other were a bit contrived, but if that's the case, then yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

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I'm surprised no one had brought up

Spoiler:

That all the alien suddenly died after their mothership destroyed

it's probably the most wtf scene for me in this movie.

Spoiler:

What? You never saw Phantom Menace? Because droids and aliens are the same thing!

[Gekko135]

Movie was dope as fuck. It's honestly been a while since i've seen a REALLY good super hero movie. RDJ's Iron Man is sooo on point. And I really can't find any strong dislikes with the film. All exposition is taken care of... no origin movie bullshit that bogs down many comic movies (imo), we know these characters and now they're interacting with each other and kicking ass.

Spoiler:

I think the use of Loki (rather than a bigger hitter like Doom, etc...) and the generic enemies (mind controlled people and an alien army) worked for putting the main characters at the forefront and let the focus be entirely on them. The personality and synergy with the cast worked wonderfully and was really fucking fun. And Thanos at the end really made me smile!

[Ghosty Crabber]

That was definitely THE BEST and most enjoyable movie I have ever watched, for me at least, since I don't watch that many movies. But dayum, that final act has got to be the most epic battle ever in a movie, way better than Bayformers. Hopefully this movie beats Avatar for the box office performance.

[Law of the sea]

I'm surprised no one had brought up

Spoiler:

That all the alien suddenly died after their mothership destroyed

it's probably the most wtf scene for me in this movie.
What are you talking about the first class and x2 is a good movie. especially the first class.

If you read the real x-men comics/watched the first cartoons you would know it was not as good as the originals and they change the story as well lol.

[Huschel]

Whatever that boss as fuck line that random old man said to loki was. Hot damn.

Spoiler:

The guy in Stuttgart? Huh now that you mention it, he probably spoke German, didn't he? Didn't really think about it.

(Sadly, I don't remember what he said.)

[Hiroy]

I'm back. I haven't enjoyed a movie at theaters like that since Dark Knight. It was an excellent movie. The pacing and the character introductions at the beginning were a tad bit slow, but everything... wait lemmie spoiler tag rest as I go along

Spoiler:

but everything from when Loki first gets captured to the end was awesome. My favorite part of the whole movie is seeing the whole team bickering amoung eachother for thier own particular reasons. You get the impression that everyone in that room was equally dangerous with their own ideals and ego. It was just fantastic and it set the pace for basically the rest of the movie. Like it never really would have mattered if it was all action to the end from that point (which it was).

I can't think of a single character I disliked either, but I have favorites. Stark was mildly entertianing. He reminds me alot of me. Making jokes and witty comments in supposed serious conversations and is like like a completely different guy when he's down in action. Natasha had the best introduction. "I'm working". Agent Phil was a chock full of subtle humor. RIP dude. And Steve was an all round swell guy even though he may not seem spectacular on the surface. As far as "suits" go, I have it give it to Hulk. This brother had alot of awesome moments in the spotlight.

The action sequences were great too. I mean, it was choatic as hell, but I could tell what was going on. Now if only the hacks that direct/write storyboard for Transformers would learn from this movie. It's okay to be chaotic, but it's necessary you don't lose the audience... and this film has succeeded at avoiding that. Bravo! Will watch again.

[RobbyBevard]

Hopefully this movie beats Avatar for the box office performance.

Not likely. It will easily join the billionaires club at this rate, but Titanic and Avatar are the only one in the 2 billion club.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/