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    Quote Originally Posted by Outerspec View Post
    This is exactly my point. When it all comes down to it it's Jiraiya's teachings and Naruto's willingness to stick to them. Why is this now having such a big impact on Nagato when Nagato killed Jiraiya thus proving his teachings meant absolutely nothing to him? Hey, did Jiraiya ever give into hate? No. Nagato claims Naruto took a different path from Jiraiya but that's not true at all. He will believe in what Jiraiya believed in. You can quote Naruto on that.The problem is your example isn't making any sense in regards to their positions. You're putting the student in the teacher's spot and the teacher in the student's spot which completely skews the entire perspective and only serves as a loose represenatation of the situation in Naruto. If I took it too literal it's only because you gave an example of a teacher and 2 students. Lol, is it any wonder how I placed Jiraiya and his 2 students in that example?Again, I already know what Kishi tried to convey here. I understand Nagato was giving Jiraiya's beliefs a second chance but the way it was conveyed was total shit. It was rushed and it comes off as nonsensical especially after Nagato just finished killing Jiraiya, but was turned by some kid who said just give me a chance~
    Jman isn't the child of prophecy he told Nagato would be. Jman told him he would bring peace and not to give into Hate. He failed, which means Jman was lying and Jman way/prophecy is BS to him. Nagato also never got to show true Pein to Jman so your point is moot anyways. Be never tortured Jman like he did with Naruto. Naruto kicked his ass and still didn't kill him after all he did. Naruto isn't just some kid, he is Jman student too and the child of prophecy Nagato knows about. Naruto is filling the requirements of Jman child of prophecy no matter the pain he would feel. Nagato couldn't understand this which is why he started yelling and asking questions like "but why why do you know how much pain you will live with" Nagato wouldn't be shown to be questioning himself like that. He thought of himself has a god, but yet he was getting shaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tang na kr View Post
    Nagato initially followed jiraiya's path but couldnt handle the suffering and pain that came with regard to losing his friends,etc. So he stopped following Jiraiya's path and started his own one, that was based around pain. So when he killed jiraiya he had already stopped following those teachings but in naruto he saw an example of a pupil who was still true to that path. Deep down he knew jiraiya's path was right but he just couldnt resist his own hatred and gave into it. I dont remember exactly(so might be wrong) but didnt jiraiya himself feel that he had failed? I remember there being something about him failing and trusting nagato because of this(and the prophesy). I can be completely wrong about this as I dont remember it correctly and dont wish to go back and check.
    You're probably referring to around here.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-387-3/...apter-382.html

    Yeah, Jiraiya did begin to doubt himself but by the end of the chapter he manned up and never gave in. Actually, reading back on that I realize I made an inccorect assertion before saying that "never give up" was Jiraiya's belief. Nope, it was Naruto's first then Jiraiya took it on. Naruto though did take on the main beliefs that were in conflict with Nagato's. Those beliefs being of a world where everyone understands one another and the belief that one can end the cycle of hate and revenge through peaceful means.

    Given by the comments that the scene was changed in the volumes, I think even kishi acknowledges this.
    Yeah, it was changed and I can see where people are coming from when they're explaining Nagato's reasoning but it still comes off as too contrived for me. I want to accept it as something better. It'd lessen the disdain I have for Nagato's ressurection jutsu but Kishi hasn't convinvced me someone so full of hate and coldness can be so easily turned by a kid he just met.

    Remember Haku and Zabuza? Naruto was able ot make Zabuza cry for Haku's death because he served as Zabuza's "tool" for years and just died for him with no regrets. That made a lot more sense and it was much easier to understand how Naruto pushed through Zabuza's emotions to elicit his reaction. Naruto vs. Gaara. Gaara wasn't turned right on the spot like Nagato was. Gaara was defeated then hauled off to Suna and they found out both villages were tricked by Orochimaru, so Suna and Konoha became allies and the rest is hstory. Naruto and Neji, the fight was all about destiny. Neji believed Naruto's defeat was destiny so all Naruto had to do was defeat him to prove Neji absolutely wrong.

    Now we have Nagato. Naruto didn't prove his method to bring peace to the world was the right one because frankly he didn't have the time. He just had to count on Nagato believing in him and re-believing in the man he had killed. Nagato had to believe in Jiraiya's path through Naruto, the kid he just met. I think Kishi used more Talk No Jutsu to get Nagato on Naruto's side than anything. At least that's the way it comes off for me. The above examples have a sense to them that makes it work. The end of the Pein fight had to be updated a little but even then it's just not enough to make it work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gliblord View Post
    All right folks, I'm setting down to write the crackfic right now

    Which matchups would you like to see, fullbringers are fair game as well (by dint of magical shounen still alive no jutsu)
    You're really doing it? Can they be any characters? If so

    Urahara vs. Yoroichi
    Starrk vs. Ishida (gun vs. arrows, we can kill two birds with one stone here.)
    Unohana vs. Mayuri ()
    Kenpachi vs. Hollow Ichigo (or some equally crazy psycho, whatever)

    Kukaku vs.... I don't have a clue who would be a good match-up, but she needs to be present somehow. actually Yoroichi might be a better match for her. Urahara can fight Ichigo's dad. don't really matter. throw in don-kanonji, too.
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    Default Re: Blah Ramen is better with Ketchup I

    Excellent, excellent, duly noted.

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    Aizen vs Tsukishima

    Just because I need a good laugh.

    Also....for some random reason, I would like to see Orihime vs Zommari and Hitsugaya vs Barragan.
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    @Outerspec I can see where your coming from about it should of taken more time. I think Kishi just wanted to end Nagato right their through. He would of just went to Jail I guess, but Kishi likes to kill off his bad guys.

    Edit: Wow k didn't read Jman death in years. I forgot how good it was. I hope somebody gets a death like this in the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UchiaMadara View Post
    Jman isn't the child of prophecy he told Nagato would be. Jman told him he would bring peace and not to give into Hate. He failed, which means Jman was lying and Jman way/prophecy is BS to him. Nagato also never got to show true Pein to Jman so your point is moot anyways. Be never tortured Jman like he did with Naruto. Naruto kicked his ass and still didn't kill him after all he did. Naruto isn't just some kid, he is Jman student too and the child of prophecy Nagato knows about. Naruto is filling the requirements of Jman child of prophecy no matter the pain he would feel. Nagato couldn't understand this which is why he started yelling and asking questions like "but why why do you know how much pain you will live with" Nagato wouldn't be shown to be questioning himself like that. He thought of himself has a god, but yet he was getting shaken.
    Ummm...no. Jiraiya lived through a world war. You think he didn't know pain, loss, and suffering? Yet, Jiraiya still believed in his path and the world coming to understand one another and that was what he passed down to Naruto. Naruto was the naive one that needed to learn a lesson because he didn't know true pain, not Jiraiya.

    And where did you read Jiraiya told Nagato he would bring peace to the world but not fall into hatred? If you can refresh my memory on that it'd be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UchiaMadara View Post
    @Outerspec I can see where your coming from about it should of taken more time. I think Kishi just wanted to end Nagato right their through. He would of just went to Jail I guess, but Kishi likes to kill off his bad guys.
    This is what I've been saying all along. The ending didn't do the whole scenario justice. Pein kills hundreds of people then revives them after his faith is restored by a kid who's following the same path as the master Nagato just killed? What, I think it would have been a lot better without the mass ressurection and with Nagato more slowly turning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outerspec View Post
    You're probably referring to around here.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-387-3/...apter-382.html

    Yeah, Jiraiya did begin to doubt himself but by the end of the chapter he manned up and never gave in. Actually, reading back on that I realize I made an inccorect assertion before saying that "never give up" was Jiraiya's belief. Nope, it was Naruto's first then Jiraiya took it on. Naruto though did take on the main beliefs that were in conflict with Nagato's. Those beliefs being of a world where everyone understands one another and the belief that one can end the cycle of hate and revenge through peaceful means.
    I think it might be that one. Not sure as memory is very vague.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outerspec View Post
    Yeah, it was changed and I can see where people are coming from when they're explaining Nagato's reasoning but it still comes off as too contrived for me. I want to accept it as something better. It'd lessen the disdain I have for Nagato's ressurection jutsu but Kishi hasn't convinvced me someone so full of hate and coldness can be so easily turned by a kid he just met.

    Remember Haku and Zabuza? Naruto was able ot make Zabuza cry for Haku's death because he served as Zabuza's "tool" for years and just died for him with no regrets. That made a lot more sense and it was much easier to understand how Naruto pushed through Zabuza's emotions to elicit his reaction. Naruto vs. Gaara. Gaara wasn't turned right on the spot like Nagato was. Gaara was defeated then hauled off to Suna and they found out both villages were tricked by Orochimaru, so Suna and Konoha became allies and the rest is hstory. Naruto and Neji, the fight was all about destiny. Neji believed Naruto's defeat was destiny so all Naruto had to do was defeat him to prove Neji absolutely wrong.

    Now we have Nagato. Naruto didn't prove his method to bring peace to the world was the right one because frankly he didn't have the time. He just had to count on Nagato believing in him and re-believing in the man he had killed. Nagato had to believe in Jiraiya's path through Naruto, the kid he just met. I think Kishi used more Talk No Jutsu to get Nagato on Naruto's side than anything. At least that's the way it comes off for me. The above examples have a sense to them that makes it work. The end of the Pein fight had to be updated a little but even then it's just not enough to make it work out.
    I completely agree with you on this, for me I can see what kishi wanted to potray but know that it wasnt handled properly. Personally, I wanted someone to die out of that fight, it would have made it a bit more emotional and could have been used as a test of naruto's word.(Hinata being the prime candidate for this). As it is, it makes the scene and the whole speech cheap and doesnt help with what kishi wants to potray.

    With regard to your last point, isnt that a common theme in shounen manga/books? Where most of the characters believe in the heroes' dream without any real proof? Just that they see the fire in the hero's eyes and start believing in it. If the story that kishi is bored of naruto is true, I can see why he rushed it this way, infact the whole war right now is being rushed and feels a bit disjointed.

    So in conclusion, the general idea was fine imo but it was handled poorly.
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    Just read Bleach. Kubo, you genius prodigy, you topped yourself once again. I thought it was impossible, but you did it. And know I know for sure that you're made of 'flesh' in Bleach. No insides. That way you can cry and walk while trying to impersonate Ace's body. And if I could name an actor to play Shuu-chan in the beginning of chap, I would nominate renown Tommy Wiseaw.
    Maybe I will join in rational discussion later, but for now I just need to let these fumes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tang na kr View Post
    With regard to your last point, isnt that a common theme in shounen manga/books? Where most of the characters believe in the heroes' dream without any real proof? Just that they see the fire in the hero's eyes and start believing in it. If the story that kishi is bored of naruto is true, I can see why he rushed it this way, infact the whole war right now is being rushed and feels a bit disjointed.

    So in conclusion, the general idea was fine imo but it was handled poorly.
    Yeah, I mentioned that way back. About a main character's natural gift of charisma that makes an enemy want to believe in him. I have no problem with this theme most of the time which is why when I look at the end of the Pein fight I just chalk it up to this power of persuassion.
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    Hello all. Here's chapter 1 of Just Add Tournament Arc, Ginjou vs. Ganju:

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    JUST ADD TOURNAMENT ARC


    Chapter 1: Ginjou vs. Ganju!

    "Kubo. Kubo." His editor drew a long puff of smoke, having taken up smoking due to the sheer stress of Kubo nodding but seldom ever following his advice. "Kubo--my friend, my buddy, I love ya to death, do anything for ya--but STOP IT with the mouth shots. It's gotten to the point where I'm kind of worried about you as a person. What is this, like, eight mouth shots in one chapter? I'm even kind of impressed you managed to fit in so many, what with the five pages of basically nothing."

    "If I stopped drawing mouth shots, then the entire page would be blank," Kubo objected Zenly.

    "Maybe that's a bad sign."

    Kubo hung his head, but he took the comment in stride. Yet another editor with no appreciation for his unique brand of capturing emotion.

    "Look, the truth is that Studio Pierrot has been breathing holes down the necks of everyone in the office so hard about your, ahem, 'uncooperative paneling,' that I'm surprised we haven't become Hollows yet. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree. You've got to give the anime guys more to work with, man!"

    Kubo contemplated this. He'd worked closely enough with Pierrot on Movie 4; were they betraying him now?

    His editor watched as Kubo's face turned glum and pouty. Thankfully his JUMP editors before him had managed to stamp down Kubo's nervous breakdowns, but he wasn't so sure this calm, collected Kubo was much better. His editor had finally managed to can Kubo into drafting up a long term plan for the series, but he'd seen how schizophrenically Kubo handled the Fullbringer arc--for which he clearly had at least some plans--when the ratings were headed south, (not to mention the volume sales). It'd turn from a glacially slow buildup of tension to a long stretch of nothing but fights. Suddenly, his editor struck on a brilliant idea.

    "You know what, Kubo? Forget the plan. Just do a tournament arc. That way you get to do nothing but fights, you get to involve absolutely every character, and you don't have to worry so much about plot inconsistency (since I know you'll be playing it by ear no matter what anyway)."

    Kubo scoffed. He would never surrender his authorly integrity and sell out to such a cliched, too often erratically executed idea.

    "It's also an easy ratings boost," his editor added.

    -*-*-

    "Welcome to bimillenial Soul Society Grand Shinigami Tournament!" blared the soul megaphone; the entire tournament would be commentated by none other than the unforgettable, inimitable Charlotte Cuulhorne, collectively deemed by the higher ups of Seireitei as just the sort of hilarious camp personality they needed to boost ticket sales from zero to about one or two (it was difficult to turn much of a profit without a currency).

    The soul arena would have burst into raucous cheering, were it not for the fact that half the people in the stands were half-dead Rukongai beggars who'd only agreed to sign the ICHIGO CHANGED US public relations campaign agreement on the off chance they'd finally die by crossfire. (A gaggle of raggedy old men by the soul taffy concession stand were shooting the barrier-kidou shinigami some particularly dirty looks.)

    "The first match up is Ginjou versus... the radical awesome wonderful terrific superb and stupendous GANJU!!" Charlotte murunfooed with a coy little wink. This actually worked the reverse of what he expected, since it filled the combatants with amused whimsy and the audience with a murderous rage. Come what may, they were now clamoring for Cuulhorne's eventual demise.

    Ganju was floating on his floaty ball on one end of the arena, grinning to the ears. Damn straight I'm wonderful and terrific, he thought.

    On the other end Ginjou was teetering on his bankai, his own grin a smidgen over on the psychotic side of the spectrum.

    "The rules are thus: There are none! Fight to the death!! The stakes? The loser gets either a mouth to mouth with Unohana (try not to splurt out too much blood!), or gets to finally be free of the cycle of want and join the unknowable afterafterlife. The overall victor gets..."

    Anticipatory silence fell over the choked crowd.

    "...two tickets to see my one and only one-man special and singalong spectacular, I Envelop You in Darkness: Charlotte Cuulhorne, the Tender Rose!!"

    "This sucks," said Ichigo flatly from the stands, weaving his head left and right to dodge as the Rukongai residents divested themselves of everything they possessed to hurl it at Cuulhorne. "Do I ever get to enjoy a single fucking day of peace? I knew I should have joined Ginjou," he joked.

    "Stop whining, it could be worse," replied Rukia sternly, though not without a trace of a smile. "You could be having to fight Aizen again!" she chuckled evilly.

    "And now to oversee the festivities before the momentous first match begins, here comes..." Cuulhorne paused dramatically once more, waiting for the black box at the stadium's center dais to dissipate and shatter. "Aizen Sousuke!"

    Rukia didn't miss a beat as she thrust her arm to block Ichigo from immediately falling to all fours.

    "How can this beee!?" cried Hitsugaya (coincidentally sitting next to Ichigo cough ratings cough), who had frozen Hinamori in a block of ice next to him for her own safety.

    Aizen slicked back his hair tendril and took Cuulhorne's soul megaphone, the old ultaconfident smirk having never left his lips a single second of his imprisonment. "Well, the only ones who opposed my application to officiate over the tournament were the pre-slaughter Central 46! And when they temporarily released me for my hearing all the other candidates seem to have suffered the most unfortunate complete and total mind warping."

    Something was telling Ichigo Aizen had an ulterior motive, but he couldn't put his finger on what.

    "Calm down, Toushirou-kun," said Kyouraku, patting him on the shoulder. "We've got Sousuke pegged with all manner of bugs and reiatsu limiters, the only harm he'll be bring today is to himself."

    Hitsugaya sighed, relieved. "Are you absolutely certain?"

    "Absolutely. Apart from when Aizen will be participating in the tournament, he'll be harmless as a bunny."

    "FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU---"

    GINJOU VS. GANJU: START THE FIGHTING!

    "Aren't you afraid?" Ginjou laughed. "I've got all of Ichigo's powers!"

    Ganju looked at his fingernails disinterestedly. "Who, that two-bit punk? I eat losers like him for breakfiWHOA SHIT!!"

    And Ganju was on his feet tearing for dear life as Ginjou streaked across the battlefield like a pinball. Whether Ginjou was batting away at imaginary hidden bugs and sensors, or he was just getting higher and higher on the prospect of lulz, could not be ascertained by Mayuri's dedicated team of observers (though they did manage to jot down that he farted at least twice while he was zipping around like a maniac, and that the farts were redolent of ramen with a hint of speed).

    "GETSUGA mmTENSHOUUUUUU!" Ginjou reared up his sword like a baseball pitcher and lobbed the massive energy slash.

    "At this rate my fight's gonna be boring," pouted Ichigo.

    "Not going to double over in anguish over it, are you?" Rukia teased.

    "I'm thinking about it."

    "Ganju-kun! Watch out!" shouted Orihime, weeping already.

    "...His name is Ginjou," corrected Ichigo, having already utterly forgotten Ganju despite the fact that he was looking directly at him a couple of seconds ago.

    The Getsuga collided with Ganju square across the abs and he hurtled back forty yards, smashed like a bug against the translucent barrier for all the spectators to gawk at.

    Ganju, far from down and out, simply gave his admirers a thumbs-up and a sideways, broken smile. "Puh!" he spat. "Just as planned!"

    The fireworks fell to the floor, fuses lit by Ginjou's attack.

    "The more energy you set those fuses with, the EXPONENTIALLY bigger the fireworks!" Ganju clicked a little remote controller in his sleeve and the orb he'd left hovered right back to him and swallowed him up. "I have a feeling I'm going to appreciate the show as much as you guys are, gyahahahah!"

    But as Ginjou himself would soon discover, losing three limbs and being on fire did not seem to diminish his own enjoyment of the fireworks. "PRETTY!!" he hacked with boyish glee.

    ROUND 1: GANJU WINS!!

    "Wait, why is Ginjou alive in the first place?" it dawned on Ichigo.

    NEXT ROUND: STARRK VERSUS ISHIDA

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    ^Lol that was a great beginning.

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    "How can this beee!?" cried Hitsugaya (coincidentally sitting next to Ichigo cough ratings cough), who had frozen Hinamori in a block of ice next to him for her own safety.
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    lol awesome. Keep it up, Glib.


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    Still taking requests for fights! Step right up

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    For no real reason

    Momo vs. Hanataro - the weak vs the weak
    Yachiru vs. Ukitake - hmmm... guy who loves kids vs. little girl who is hinted at being very powerful yet is easily defeated by such things as sweets, which said guy has in abundance. Who will win??
    or
    Ukitake vs Kyoraku - best buds, only two guys in SS with double sword zanpakuto. completely underutilized by Kubo.
    Kon vs. The stuffed pig - battle of stuffed animals


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    Hah nice title change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piratemarimo View Post
    Momo vs. Hanataro - the weak vs the weak
    Hey he may be weak, but that little guy's awesome.

    That reminds me, while Yachiru fighting would be kickass, I would love a scene of her stealing the announcer position from Charlotte.

    And nice new thread title.

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    Rickichi vs Umesada Toshimori

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    Default Re: Cuddly Kyuubi watches the Blank sunset I

    With the exception of Ukitake vs. Kyouraku (can't think of what to do with that one, though I might revisit it), every other request that's been made will definitely be done. That means so far the following matches are in the works:

    Preliminaries

    Starrk vs. Ishida
    Unohana vs. Mayuri
    Kenpachi vs. Hollow Ichigo
    Kuukaku vs. Yoruichi
    Urahara vs. Isshin
    Aizen vs. Tsukishima
    Orihime vs. Zommari
    Hitsugaya vs. Barragan
    Hinamori vs. Hanatarou
    Yachiru vs. Ukitake
    Kon vs. the Stuffed Pig
    Chad vs. Kensei
    Gin vs. Byakuya
    Nnoitra vs. Grimmjow

    though not in any particular order. Since I was asked to include Don Kan'Onji, I'll also be doing

    Don Kan'Onji vs. Renji

    for lulz.

    I'll be posting one a day every day. Any characters that haven't been used (plenty of arrancars, vizards, vice captains, and "main cast" characters yet to use), feel free to shoot me requests on my profile page, though if I'm absolutely inundated I'll have to be more selective. And since, much like Kubo, I play these crackfics mostly by ear, I'll be alternating with my own ideas and requests.

    The fic will also be available on my fanfiction.net page if you want to see it all in one convenient space.
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    Lol who comes up with these names. I still don't get what this sunset thing is in bleach; all I know is that a man was caring another man on his back which is funny enough.

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