Oh and another random example of staff related questions: who is mumbo and why is he part of the staff. Nobody knows anything about him and can't see why he should have a position when it could go to somebody more capable or dedicated.
I don't mean one or two people, I mean a great deal of people that have been unhappy yet didn't have an option viable in their eyes to take. I also didn't want to mention Robby as an example as i still feel im on thin ice with him, and this is most likely to make it worse...but there i said it.
Logic: when answering a poll read the introductory message to give you a better insight into the minimalistic titles.Oh my god I had no idea you were so naive.
That isn't naive.
People being silenced and media being moderated to the extent that the people cannot express themselves at all, nor feel safe doing so. Yeah that comparison is nothing like north koreas mindset.Though after your gem at the end of this about North Korea I'm starting to come around to that realization.
Though please do indulge us as to one you think is more fitting, though I'm not sure you would know any more from that throne of yours.
Because it's not like i speak to a handful of staff on a regular basis about stuff that does happen in regards to forum decisions....Oh wait i do. It's just a shame the masses of people here aren't allowed to know some of the stuff that does happen, unless of course it truly is a sensitive subject.Oh hey, look at the guy telling me what goes on in our conversations behind closed doors. He'd certainly know better than I would, right?
True, but when the heads need to roll who will come to your mind first.....the one you don't see eye to eye with or the one the agrees with you wholeheartedly.No genius. Here's what happens. We have disagreements about how to handle things at times, and we generally keep them behind closed doors rather than airing them in public. Sooner or later we come to a conclusion and go with it. We don't pull rank or threaten demotions or anything like that.
I doubt to the extent they would have liked to, nor got the results they should have, being the lesser power.We're all individuals with varying levels of opinion on varying things. You seriously think a mod has never disagreed with me about how to handle policy/procedure?
Working in several areas of management the past 7 years tells me this.
I literally just said that people do disagree in threads and smaller topics, but not when its a political one regarding the forum. Now you can make those disagreements, but what of the staff with 3/4 stars? I bet they aren't so bold as to question the administration, or make public the disapproval if they don't agree with the way it ended.You think I never disagreed with brennen before I got promoted? Get real.
I haven't been vague nor not given examples of this threads usage. But as you would like them delivered to you directly I'll make another list of issues that would fall under this thread and reasons why they can't be done via the other options i have mentioned several times already. I'm also currently pooling in issues from various members to add to this as the next few days goes on so don't expect it all on a silver platter at once as this is a slow and delicate process.In this case in particular, there were no disagreements at all. Nobody can really figure out what's being asked for in the first place. Mostly because there aren't any tangible examples. Just a bunch of vague general statements.
I can't help but remind myself of the israel/palestine UN bud right now lol
Only because I know you will say no no no no no without coming up with alternative solutions or justifying why most of it is unnecessary. Just feels like I will make all the effort continuously and never have you go half way. And even in the end if i don justify it you will say no and close it. So why don't you make more of an effort to point out pro's and cons and find a middle ground as I have been doing the past four pagesSo, let me get this straight. You have such a hard time coming up with a real, tangible example, that you totally ignore it and expect me to indulge into this realm of make believe without it? Forget it.
We've had tons of valid points made but hardly any of them addressed. Now all the people see is the admins saying no to everything and don't see the point in posting as they no there is no point making an argument that will fall on deaf ears. From the outside perspective it seems like you already made your mind up.
Feedback about staff and members, that can be enforced by the members. For example if i came out and said I didn't like the way such and such did that job i might sound like maybe just a butthurt weenie only complaining as i was involved, but if you then have several posters stating the same, the issue would have more leverage and voice to get the staff to look into it and make changes to suit the masses., or at least give further reasoning behind the action itself.Give me an actual example of some form of "feedback" that our current systems are insufficient for, or this entire thing is meaningless. Not a concept. Not an idea. A real, actual example.
I'm not mentioning names and not mentioning specific situations as im not going to exacerbate it even more. Something that has also been requested to me by those involved due to them being to afraid to discuss it without a backlash.
It is also here to discuss infractions you have got that are unfair. Or the possibility of having them removed after a set amount of time, or even just after the person has made significant changes after that event occurred. Permanent infractions are ridiculous and should have an expiration date that doesn't go into years. Sometimes it could just something you think needs to be out in the open and discussed, as pm isn't a viable or good enough option. Bannings & infractions or possible distrust/friction between staff and members is a bigger issue than you would imagine urouge, and more often than not doesn't get resolved how it should do.
Now an option that would be public as well is irc, but the downside is it is only viewed by a handful of people, their isn't a record that could be reviewed, and you would have to have a time arranged between the two parties to make it work which all in all makes a tense situation even more impossible.
It should be used for the spoiler section only and nothing else. Something i think we should be able to discuss here as well. Not just this option but other rules at your disposal that we might not think fair or misused.Where have you been? We've been using it for spoiler threads since before I ever even joined. We've since expanded it to a form of lesser ban that we rarely use, but so what? It's a ban. It's just not as severe.
You don't see the similarity between the two? Its got to the point where debating this is no longer worth it with you as you have obviously taken this as a personal attack and not a quest to bring the community together. In fact what you've done here is prove just how disconnected the two sides are.You've totally lost it. You can no longer tell the difference between an internet forum and a country. And even if it was a country, which is a leap off of a canyon, a ban like that would be the equivalent of jail.
And yes i'll enjoy breaking down the similar structure between a modern democracy and this forum when you ask for it.
Either way the poll suggests the majority of people here want a to voice different issues in front of the community to allow a fair judgement call to be made. Why don't you want that?