Chivalry?

[Pirate Hunter Zoro]

That explains everything.

[Nami]

i don't apologize to you at all.. btw you are missing the point..
but whatever.... it a shame for a man like you who have a vast knowledge of the world historys but doesn't really use it properly.. its a shame..

it doesn't matter anyway.. knowledge can do good to somebody or harm them. everything has a consequences..
it is my mistake to read this thread in the first place thinking it is about a group of warrior riding horses..
then i quote Silence and said he was wrong for saying that wearing something doesn't have a consequences.. That is my point and only main point.. everything have a consequences.. but doesn't mean we must live in fear..

i believe we must live our live to the fullest.. but without understand and realize the good and bad of what we are doing, we can't achieve it. blaming others doesn't solve anything. doing something is a start.. you can live your live blaming the bad guys who do wrong to you or blaming yourself because you were rape or something... but that doesn't solve anything. you will just become a failure same as the one who destroyed you.. but everything is your choice.. WANT TO BE A VICTIM FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? its up to you.. i already said what i can.. how you want to interpret it, its up to you.. i don't know you, you don't know me.. but from what i read its clearly that you were not a victim..

have a good day..

So if a 5-year-old gets raped or sexually abused it totally is just right that she lives with the consequences because.. let's say she was just too cute in her dress? Is that what you're saying?
Overthink your point of view, dude.

[Hiroy]

In short: I respect (and to an extent like) you guys (the older forum members, the ones that made this thread not-suck) but I'm also scared of you, and I regret making this thread.

Don't regret making a thread dude. It's the users that really make a thread what it is, unless it's a really special case or something personal enough to not be branched off. I have to admit, there's just several debates in this thread that really takes forever to get to a point. I mean, how far can physiological mind-game bullshit, insignificant obscure references, humanity studies/knowledge/observations without personal experience, and petty little insults can go within a debate? Where's the sensibility in making a chain reaction of cutting up posts in divided sections for the sakes of it? It's like, I don't feel any sort of resolution behind these, and usually these debates end with with few post from a single person that knows exactly what he/she is talking about. Maybe the whole point isn't a resolution? Maybe there's some sort of entertaining thrill of seeing an argument drag on pointlessly at legendary lengths? Or maybe there's this trend of seeing like-new members get provoked and irritated by regular members and staff to the point of banning?

Either way, I sort of stopped caring. It's just amusing how far this board can go to change someone's views. It's deserved at times and there's lessons to be learned, sure. But sometimes, I tend to ask myself why is it even worth the effort.

I don't know. I'm not even sure if I'm even talking about this thread alone anymore, so I'll end this post and resume being a subtle happy-go-lucky anomaly.

[Pirate Hunter Zoro]

it is my mistake to read this thread in the first place thinking it is about a group of warrior riding horses..

What? Is there some movie named Chivalry or something?

i believe we must live our live to the fullest.. but without understand and realize the good and bad of what we are doing, we can't achieve it. blaming others doesn't solve anything. doing something is a start.. you can live your live blaming the bad guys who do wrong to you or blaming yourself because you were rape or something... but that doesn't solve anything. you will just become a failure same as the one who destroyed you.. but everything is your choice.. WANT TO BE A VICTIM FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? its up to you.. i already said what i can.. how you want to interpret it, its up to you.. i don't know you, you don't know me.. but from what i read its clearly that you were not a victim..

have a good day..

That doesn't make sense. Ok Hisoga, so your saying that if I was raped, and I blamed the guys that raped me for raping me, that shouldn't solve anything? And that I will become a failure, same as my rapists, just for placing the blame on them?

[The Laughing Man]

Can't we all agree rape is bad, and simply move on...? I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks rape is bad, so, yeah...

[Monkey King]

owh.. ok..my bad then.. but trust me.. for me everybody are equal.. and we can wear whatever we want.. it just doesn't expect it not to have any consequences.. and those cons doesn't really mean it will just effect only just us.. or effect on only 1 or 2 ways..

So do you perceive the beach as being a giant rape factory, or do they not have beaches or bathing suits in the wilds of Saudi Moldova or wherever you live.

If you want my opinion you should be banned for this.

"you can live your live blaming the bad guys who do wrong to you or blaming yourself because you were rape or something... but that doesn't solve anything. you will just become a failure same as the one who destroyed you.."

Among all the bullshit you've spouted in here, suggesting rape victims are failures is rock bottom. MIGHT AS WELL DIE FOR YOUR FAMILIES HONOR SIS/BRO WHATEVER

[The Laughing Man]

Rape victims blame themselves, because, their rapist destroyed their self-esteem--then brought it back to life, then destroyed it again. It's never, not really ever, the rape victims fault that they were violated in such a horrible way. Takes a special kind of ignorance to think it does.

[Herodadotus]

I'm still not sure how he can keep asking people what we've done to 'fix things' (I'm assuming that's what he meant when he asked everybody that) when it's obvious he hasn't done anything.

[DarkFalcon]

Hisoga, we understand that our every action has consequences, we really don't need to be reminded about that.

However the entire structure of you argumentation is based on incorrect assumptions. There is little to no connection between how the person is dressed and who is raped. And even when that connection exist it just may be anything, not necessary skimpy clothing, rapist may as well be attracted by some detail of attire he regards as his fetish and no one apart from rapist may not know what it is. Therefore no kind of prevent action from potential victim and her family can be taken on this field. Encouraging girls to dress very modestly is not "a start". It is covering up the real problem.
Of course there are actions that can't prevent rape, or at least reduce the number of rapists. Silence has already pointed some out.
The situations: when girl is wearing skimpy clothing, so she has to prepare to accept consequences (in form of rape) is not parallel to when a person is taking out a gun and has to accept consequences (getting killed). Those are completely different level. The comparison to the person swimming with crocodiles in one lake isn't fortunate either. As every person who walks out of home is like a person, who swims in the lake with crocodiles. There is little to no difference if we swim in typical swimming suit or full body suit - as that would be accurate comparison.
If you really want to protect people from being raped you educate them, you teach them that is the rapist who should be ashamed, not them, you teach girls self-defense, you are trying to learn why rapes actually happened and what was wrong with the environment rapists had grown up in, and do you best to make sure it would never be recreated, you teach people not to be indifferent to fate of others - it's all easier said than done, but if you truly care you shouldn't be complaining about it.

[Nami]

I can't speak for every rape victim in here but I can speak for myself as far as I can say: No, it definitely wasn't MY FAULT!
But yes, I have self esteem issues and personality disorders that surely root from that. No, that doesn't mean I will live my life in misery and agony. Hell no!

I'm happy I reached that point. It wasn't always that easily especially with having a bf at the time the whole thing came on the surface that totally did blame me in a subtle way for what happened to me. He was basically someone just like you, Hisoga. You are totally not helping. But you should be glad I'm over this phase of self blaming and self pitying, otherwise I already would have verbally thrown you against the next wall. Trust me, it wouldn't have been funny for you.

I'm all in for a ban for this guy, because I can imagine that there are some victims of rape here who totally have a hard time with what you're saying. And that definitely deserves a ban. Go back to your isolated hole you came from, shitfuck.

[igetownd]

I think I should be blamed for introducing a can of worms like homosexuality and gender identity to the discussion of chivalry. I seemed to have overestimated the composure and modesty of posters, and somehow fires started, and then more things exploded.

Or maybe I should blame the arrogance and hostility of forum trolls for making arguments spiteful and responses vengeful.

Perhaps, several apologies are in order. Perhaps, instead of being defensive, be comforting. Instead of attacking someone for ignorant comments or illogical statements, explain how you are hurt by such words, and if the aggression continues, report the post. I'm aware it seems nonsensical to follow these "pacifist" suggestions, but if the discussion is really discomforting, adding fuel to a fire won't make things better.

Maybe the whole point isn't a resolution? Maybe there's some sort of entertaining thrill of seeing an argument drag on pointlessly at legendary lengths? Or maybe there's this trend of seeing like-new members get provoked and irritated by regular members and staff to the point of banning?

Either way, I sort of stopped caring. It's just amusing how far this board can go to change someone's views. It's deserved at times and there's lessons to be learned, sure. But sometimes, I tend to ask myself why is it even worth the effort.

I don't know. I'm not even sure if I'm even talking about this thread alone anymore, so I'll end this post and resume being a subtle happy-go-lucky anomaly.

There is a paradoxical thrill of enjoying the destruction of something beautiful, like civil discourse. I believe it's called schadenfreude. It's really an instant gratification with no net gain in the long term.

Now, let's return to a discussion about saving fair maidens from the jaws of dragons where the maiden is some person you have never met and the dragon is an unlocked functional door.

[Hiroy]

No idea what you just said(or care), but.
I prefer the thread die. There's nothing to continue here, unless that means someone necroing it and put on the spot for the 100th time.