That explains everything.
Yes - And it shall stay so
Yes, but there's still hope!
No, it never was.
Either way, I sort of stopped caring. It's just amusing how far this board can go to change someone's views. It's deserved at times and there's lessons to be learned, sure. But sometimes, I tend to ask myself why is it even worth the effort.
I don't know. I'm not even sure if I'm even talking about this thread alone anymore, so I'll end this post and resume being a subtle happy-go-lucky anomaly.
What? Is there some movie named Chivalry or something?
That doesn't make sense. Ok Hisoga, so your saying that if I was raped, and I blamed the guys that raped me for raping me, that shouldn't solve anything? And that I will become a failure, same as my rapists, just for placing the blame on them?
Last edited by Pirate Hunter Zoro; July 4th, 2012 at 10:12 AM.
Can't we all agree rape is bad, and simply move on...? I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks rape is bad, so, yeah...
If you want my opinion you should be banned for this.
"you can live your live blaming the bad guys who do wrong to you or blaming yourself because you were rape or something... but that doesn't solve anything. you will just become a failure same as the one who destroyed you.."
Among all the bullshit you've spouted in here, suggesting rape victims are failures is rock bottom. MIGHT AS WELL DIE FOR YOUR FAMILIES HONOR SIS/BRO WHATEVER
Rape victims blame themselves, because, their rapist destroyed their self-esteem--then brought it back to life, then destroyed it again. It's never, not really ever, the rape victims fault that they were violated in such a horrible way. Takes a special kind of ignorance to think it does.
I'm still not sure how he can keep asking people what we've done to 'fix things' (I'm assuming that's what he meant when he asked everybody that) when it's obvious he hasn't done anything.
Hisoga, we understand that our every action has consequences, we really don't need to be reminded about that.
However the entire structure of you argumentation is based on incorrect assumptions. There is little to no connection between how the person is dressed and who is raped. And even when that connection exist it just may be anything, not necessary skimpy clothing, rapist may as well be attracted by some detail of attire he regards as his fetish and no one apart from rapist may not know what it is. Therefore no kind of prevent action from potential victim and her family can be taken on this field. Encouraging girls to dress very modestly is not "a start". It is covering up the real problem.
Of course there are actions that can't prevent rape, or at least reduce the number of rapists. Silence has already pointed some out.
The situations: when girl is wearing skimpy clothing, so she has to prepare to accept consequences (in form of rape) is not parallel to when a person is taking out a gun and has to accept consequences (getting killed). Those are completely different level. The comparison to the person swimming with crocodiles in one lake isn't fortunate either. As every person who walks out of home is like a person, who swims in the lake with crocodiles. There is little to no difference if we swim in typical swimming suit or full body suit - as that would be accurate comparison.
If you really want to protect people from being raped you educate them, you teach them that is the rapist who should be ashamed, not them, you teach girls self-defense, you are trying to learn why rapes actually happened and what was wrong with the environment rapists had grown up in, and do you best to make sure it would never be recreated, you teach people not to be indifferent to fate of others - it's all easier said than done, but if you truly care you shouldn't be complaining about it.
I can't speak for every rape victim in here but I can speak for myself as far as I can say: No, it definitely wasn't MY FAULT!
But yes, I have self esteem issues and personality disorders that surely root from that. No, that doesn't mean I will live my life in misery and agony. Hell no!
I'm happy I reached that point. It wasn't always that easily especially with having a bf at the time the whole thing came on the surface that totally did blame me in a subtle way for what happened to me. He was basically someone just like you, Hisoga. You are totally not helping. But you should be glad I'm over this phase of self blaming and self pitying, otherwise I already would have verbally thrown you against the next wall. Trust me, it wouldn't have been funny for you.
I'm all in for a ban for this guy, because I can imagine that there are some victims of rape here who totally have a hard time with what you're saying. And that definitely deserves a ban. Go back to your isolated hole you came from, shitfuck.
I think I should be blamed for introducing a can of worms like homosexuality and gender identity to the discussion of chivalry. I seemed to have overestimated the composure and modesty of posters, and somehow fires started, and then more things exploded.
Or maybe I should blame the arrogance and hostility of forum trolls for making arguments spiteful and responses vengeful.
Perhaps, several apologies are in order. Perhaps, instead of being defensive, be comforting. Instead of attacking someone for ignorant comments or illogical statements, explain how you are hurt by such words, and if the aggression continues, report the post. I'm aware it seems nonsensical to follow these "pacifist" suggestions, but if the discussion is really discomforting, adding fuel to a fire won't make things better.
Now, let's return to a discussion about saving fair maidens from the jaws of dragons where the maiden is some person you have never met and the dragon is an unlocked functional door.
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