Chapter 646: "Frog"

[Kishido]

What the hell are you complaining about this time? That some people believe Luffy is stronger than Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe?
... that was always the case. For me they still are close together and in one "group", but there is a reason why only Luffy can take on the big boss every arc, and Zoro and Sanji get whooped by him. Arlong is a good example for this. In Enies Lobby, they commented on how they would have died if Luffy hadn't picked out Lucci to fight. Stop complaining.

No one was talking about power level. Reread the last 650 chapters and look how the monster trio (you know... a canon term in the very manga itself) was potrayed^^ Sorry that I dislike, even if Jinbei is an awesome addition with his style and I have no doubts thats he will join, that this trio will somehow be disturbed, cuz in my eyes Jinbei, an old veteran who is more or less evolved, won't fit with this 3 young and aggressive men, who has even much more room to progress.

That's why I dislike the shit about Luffy is in his own tier (even if he is the strongest but I give a fuck about it) and the other will build a new trio.

Like I said... Reread the manga... How many times Zoro was compared to Luffy... and on the other hand... How many times Zoro and Sanji were compared to each other and so on... Even after the timeskip you can see that this is the first thing Oda has established... Showing the monster trio more than once in action together

But for ME this chapter showed as well that Oda won't change it... Same like he hasn't done it with the addition of Franky and Robin, were people tried to hype them as well

[Jabra]

Reread the last 650 chapters and look how the monster trio (you know... a canon term in the very manga itself)

It is not canon, it is fanmade.

[Kishido]

Ask Aohige once again... If he will ever appear again
So far

This is a common misconception. The term "Monster Trio" is canon, not fanmade.
It's been used quite a few times in the manga, most recently in chapter 606.

Same goes for weakling trio, Usopp actually used the term in the manga as well.



Like I said, that's a common misconception.
Oda does use the term "怪物三人組 (Monster Trio)" in the very manga itself.

[Sonic Youth]

Brook's expression when cutting Zeo was a well deserved look.

[GetsugaZoro]

It is not canon, it is fanmade.

No its not, it has been used in the actual manga or atleast aluded many times.

[KaizokuJinbei]

Brook's expression when cutting Zeo was a well deserved look.

I agree. It's one of those expressions that says "Oh yeah I'm badass"

[Kishido]

No its not, it has been used in the actual manga or atleast aluded many times.

Not the first time he ignored it completely^^

But whatever... i hope the people now know what I meant.

[Thunder Luffy]

i have to agree on the monster trio term

but on the Zoro, Luffy & Sanji about there power i would say they are about equal

for one what is power using your head is also a power for one sanji is strongest at that point

pure brute strength sanji is probely weaker over all and i would say luffy and zoro are equal here (brute strength like in how many kilo's they cane cary etc.)

as for instincts luffy wins this round i guess at least till its shown if zoro and/or sanji has kings haki (instict not only haki but also things like natural instincts like reflexes)

as for killing(witch is also a strength because not every one is possible of killing someone else) i would say sanji and zoro are even on this as for luffy we haven't seen him having any real killing intent only intent to defeat people

thats about my reasoning

and about strength levels and tiers that's all shit because its not like in dbz we don't have ki or anything like that haki can't be measured like for example he has 900 haki power its about control like a master swordsman you can't call is swordsman lvl that's only in games not in story's
what you cane say is he is the best at controlling haki and the best atm so far as we have seen in Luffy

[gotta<3OP]

C'mon... we saw how that monster trio was bullshit on terms of actual combat when Usopp gave Luffy quite a good fight. And he is, word of gOda, the weakest. So obviously Zoro would have more than a fair fight with Luffy.
Is not about who can destroy the most/bigger apples, One Piece does not work like that. :/
If you're talking only on terms of physical strength. Like douriki. Then obviously Luffy/Zoro/Sanji are the 3 best, and so on. And that will obviously not change. More than that Zoro's feats in this arc have been the most impressive by far. He just 1hko's while sending one liners. Who can beat that? Still when a swords hit you, you will get KO, is an unfair disadvantage when comparing with Luffy.

Now Jinbei, for him to join and be stronger than Sanji would be bad.
But above water he is as strong as Luffy's gear 3rd underwater. (Jinbei punched the punch that defeated the kraken, or Luffy went totally overboard while KOing the kraken, or Jinbei could do that to his elephant gun) With that I have to believe that underwater he is obviously stronger than Sanji (in air). Both in air, Sanji would still be better, and that is enough to mantain the monster trio.

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and about strength levels and tiers that's all shit because its not like in dbz we don't have ki or anything like that haki can't be measured like for example he has 900 haki power its about control like a master swordsman you can't call is swordsman lvl that's only in games not in story's
what you cane say is he is the best at controlling haki and the best atm so far as we have seen in Luffy

On a side note I'm still waiting for some one to read Luffy's bounty poster and scream "Its over 9kk!"
It could be in the new world. Some pirate making a fuss with Luffy, saying he only has 400kk bounty, and in the end he see's the new increased bounty and goes all "ITS OVER 9KK RUN FOR YOUR LIVES"

[Neomaster121]

The only thing these chapter proves is Oda still believes Zoro=Luffy. Zoro oneshotted Hodi underwater and Oda went out of his way to make hyouzo transform like Hodi. He still got oneshotted. The only reason Luffy didn't oneshot Hodi is because he gets weaker underwater while Hodi gets stronger. If Zoro/Jimbei were sent to fight Hodi this arc would be over way quicker with Hodi getting stomp pretty quickly.

thats what im saying not Zoro=luffy

but the fact the Zoro's been disadvantaged one shoted a fishman under water that in itself was some serious shit
We all thought Hyozu was stronger than hodi before drug transformations
Hodi and Hyozu transformed
Zoro one hit kos hyozu

all im saying for now the teir stuff should stop though it would seem sanji has stepped up a notch n was comparible to jimbei

[Zkaiser]

C'mon... we saw how that monster trio was bullshit on terms of actual combat when Usopp gave Luffy quite a good fight. And he is, word of gOda, the weakest. So obviously Zoro would have more than a fair fight with Luffy.
Is not about who can destroy the most/bigger apples, One Piece does not work like that. :/
If you're talking only on terms of physical strength. Like douriki. Then obviously Luffy/Zoro/Sanji are the 3 best, and so on. And that will obviously not change. More than that Zoro's feats in this arc have been the most impressive by far. He just 1hko's while sending one liners. Who can beat that? Still when a swords hit you, you will get KO, is an unfair disadvantage when comparing with Luffy.

Now Jinbei, for him to join and be stronger than Sanji would be bad.
But above water he is as strong as Luffy's gear 3rd underwater. (Jinbei punched the punch that defeated the kraken, or Luffy went totally overboard while KOing the kraken, or Jinbei could do that to his elephant gun) With that I have to believe that underwater he is obviously stronger than Sanji (in air). Both in air, Sanji would still be better, and that is enough to mantain the monster trio.

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On a side note I'm still waiting for some one to read Luffy's bounty poster and scream "Its over 9kk!"
It could be in the new world. Some pirate making a fuss with Luffy, saying he only has 400kk bounty, and in the end he see's the new increased bounty and goes all "ITS OVER 9KK RUN FOR YOUR LIVES"

Luffy went easy on Usopp. It's easy to put up a decent fight when your opponent has to will to do so.

[Katzztar]

As for the terms of the Trios= Monster Trio has been used in the manga, usually by Usopp or Nami when their annoyed at the those three and they were pointing out the strenght difference between them. It was the "weakling trio" that I saw used by fans then later by manga. While Nami and Usopp have stated they're not as strong as the others, sometiems called themselves weak, the first time I saw the term of "weakling trio" used in the manga was after the timeskip in that bar on SA where Usopp tells Nami he has graduated from the Weakling Trio. http://www.mangareader.net/103-57801...apter-598.html

[IceBorg]

No one was talking about power level. Reread the last 650 chapters and look how the monster trio (you know... a canon term in the very manga itself) was potrayed^^ Sorry that I dislike, even if Jinbei is an awesome addition with his style and I have no doubts thats he will join, that this trio will somehow be disturbed, cuz in my eyes Jinbei, an old veteran who is more or less evolved, won't fit with this 3 young and aggressive men, who has even much more room to progress.

That's why I dislike the shit about Luffy is in his own tier (even if he is the strongest but I give a fuck about it) and the other will build a new trio.

Like I said... Reread the manga... How many times Zoro was compared to Luffy... and on the other hand... How many times Zoro and Sanji were compared to each other and so on... Even after the timeskip you can see that this is the first thing Oda has established... Showing the monster trio more than once in action together

But for ME this chapter showed as well that Oda won't change it... Same like he hasn't done it with the addition of Franky and Robin, were people tried to hype them as well

Don't worry even with Jimbe they will still be a trio........the Idiot Trio.

[Jabra]

Not the first time he ignored it completely^^

But whatever... i hope the people now know what I meant.

I don't ignore it, I just don't interpret it the way you do.
Numerous characters commented on Luffy/Zoro's/Sanji's monstrous level of strength throughout the series, yes, and in this case Caribou called them the monstrous 3 because they just defeated the Kraken in front of his eyes. But Caribou doesn't know anything about the others, same case as with any other random fodder marine who calls Zoro "the captain", because he simply doesn't know better.

The only characters who can effectively judge are the other crew members, and they only made a distinction between the weak members and the "monsters".

For example Nami in this panel:

Spoiler:

Or Chopper in this one:

Spoiler:

But whatever, these times are officially over since the timeskip. Usopp openly stated that he isn't part of any weakling trio anymore and proved it with his recent battle. Same for Chopper, who said that he won't be a burden to anyone (but a real asset).

Now, I too believe that Sanji and Zoro have a special role when it comes to fighting, simply because they had to fight for the crew along Luffy for so many battles now (mainly because the rest was not capable of doing so).

But times change. The crew doesn't consist of merely 3 powerhouses anymore who have to shoulder all the work. Thats why me and a few others believe that the monster trio as we know it is dead, and if it isn't it will be the moment Jinbe joins.

The thing I don't understand is why this is a problem?
Sanji and Zoro will ALWAYS be at Luffy's side when shit goes down, mainly because of their fighting personalities. What is the problem to add (for example) Jinbe to that? Or Franky? Or Chopper?

[Katzztar]

The only characters who can effectively judge are the other crew members, and they only made a distinction between the weak members and the "monsters".

For example Nami in this panel:

Spoiler:

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8...terquartet.jpg

which chapter was that scene in??? I've forgotten it

[Kishido]

I don't ignore it, I just don't interpret it the way you do.
Numerous characters commented on Luffy/Zoro's/Sanji's monstrous level of strength throughout the series, yes, and in this case Caribou called them the monstrous 3 because they just defeated the Kraken in front of his eyes. But Caribou doesn't know anything about the others, same case as with any other random fodder marine who calls Zoro "the captain", because he simply doesn't know better.

The only characters who can effectively judge are the other crew members, and they only made a distinction between the weak members and the "monsters".

For example Nami in this panel:

Spoiler:

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8...terquartet.jpg

Or Chopper in this one:

Spoiler:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8...erquartett.jpg

But whatever, these times are officially over since the timeskip. Usopp openly stated that he isn't part of any weakling trio anymore and proved it with his recent battle. Same for Chopper, who said that he won't be a burden to anyone (but a real asset).

Now, I too believe that Sanji and Zoro have a special role when it comes to fighting, simply because they had to fight for the crew along Luffy for so many battles now (mainly because the rest was not capable of doing so).

But times change. The crew doesn't consist of merely 3 powerhouses anymore who have to shoulder all the work. Thats why me and a few others believe that the monster trio as we know it is dead, and if it isn't it will be the moment Jinbe joins.

The thing I don't understand is why this is a problem?
Sanji and Zoro will ALWAYS be at Luffy's side when shit goes down, mainly because of their fighting personalities. What is the problem to add (for example) Jinbe to that? Or Franky? Or Chopper?

There is no interpretation... Point is monster trio isn't fan made as you said^^ Even one of the color spreads says 3 musketeers

Spoiler:

But whatever... Same for you interpretation of monster trio/weak trio is dead... Yeah Usopp talked big and still did well... But we are talking about Usopp who always talks big... You surely believe that he is compareable to the monster trio? I hope not... you have seen the reactions of him even against Hody, who Zoro beat under water... Or against the Kraken... or when Luffy did CoC... The only one who weren't suprised by it... You know who it was... Yeah Sanji and Zoro... Even Jinbei was impressed by this... This already says a lot. All of the SHs for sure have evolved a lot but there is still a clear cut between them...

And like I said... The first thing Oda did post TS was shown the "monster trio" together doing shit all over.

If you like it just dissapearing... OK... I won't like it and it is just my personal reason cuz I love the whole theme about this 3 YOUNG and AGRESSIVE men standing side by side at the very top and I love the whole dynamic of the three... Awesome as Jinbei is... I hope he will be either step back or be soon surpassed clearly, if you look how young the monster trio is, it is likely... The exact same thing happened to Franky and Robin, who were called at the beginning monsters as well... And we know what happened... (Still they are awesome)

But we should cut it now^^

[Pookiez]

which chapter was that scene in??? I've forgotten it

Right here: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2354-...apter-247.html

Had a little bit of trouble finding it since I forgot it was technically a flashback =/

[Baou Zakurga]

been trying to understand what sanji did, but failing (a better translation helped, but still confused). So what exactly did sanji do?

He burst into flames cause of the anger that living with okamas caused him.LIke,he went to 'hell' lol

did zoro oni giri hyouzo without moving?

also he was facing the wrong waybut looking at his feet he must have moved but i don't know how he did it without seeing his opponentand not getting poisoned

From the looks at the air slice,Zoro didnt directly cut Hyozou with swords,but cut him with the air.Like,he slashed the air to the sides and it went above and crossed Hyozou,slicing him.

[Neomaster121]

just to add about the monster trio

Just look whats oda done with the eyes
Zoro's only got his right eye open (right hand man)
Sanji left eye now on show (left hand man)

i thought that was done on purpose just a little tribute to the importance of those 2 to luffy

[Kishido]

lol thought the same already as well xD