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    Russia is getting interesting all of a sudden.
    Apparently there could be a masssssive protest on Saturday.
    And Gorbachev just called for a new vote.
    Confirmed tampering by the way.

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    But even if they made a new vote, will it effect Putin's party's win or just the number of seats they have in the parliament?

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    Even with the tampering, Putin's United Russia is reduced to a simple majority and no longer has the numbers that have let him change the Russian Constitution to do whatever he feels like. Without the tampering, it's doubtful he even has a majority at all even as a coalition government.

    And the rigging is pretty considerable. There are scans where the votes per party are totalled by an election official after the polls closed at one location in Moscow.

    Here are the numbers from the polling place in question.

    CPRF - 285 - Communist Party
    United Russia - 271 - This is Putin's Party.
    Just Russia - 218
    Yabloko - 167
    LDPR - 133 - Zhironovsky's Party that always votes with United Russia.
    Right Cause - 16
    Patriots of Russia - 15

    I don't know anything about the rest of those parties.

    When the results were announced later by the Central Electoral Committee, this is what came out:

    United Russia - 662
    CPRF - 295
    LDPR - 133 - No change.
    Just Russia - 118 - Lost one hundred votes.
    Yabloko - 67 - Lost one hundred votes.
    Right Cause - 16
    Patriots of Russia - none. - Lost fifteen votes.

    So United Russia managed to gain 391 votes between the time that polls ended and the results were announced. Exit polls, which admittedly not always accurate, pegged support for United Russia in Moscow at 27% while the "actual" results were twenty points higher. There's also the matter of journalists finding ballot boxes with United Russia marked on them before voting even began.

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    People are actually coming out onto the streets in Russia, angry with the massively fraudulent election results. Good luck trying to weasel out of this with empty promises, United Russia. Without oil's prices rising, you won't be able to take advantage of the economic growth that has kept people on your side anymore.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...755418485.html
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    Russia suddenly notices it's vicious cycle.
    Come and listen to my story, if you will I'm gonna tell. About a gang of fellers from down at Nashville.

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    It's a pity that the elections were held this late. If it wasn't so darn cold out there, we'd have more people demanding changes on the streets..

    Then again, when has snow ever stopped Russians from advocating changes in power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryish
    It's a pity that the elections were held this late.
    Historically speaking, November isn't really a great time for Russians to decide things about their political future.

    So far, the protests have attracted decent sized crowds that are, if I recall correctly, larger than some people were predicting in the media.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/10/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

    Come on, 2011, you only have three weeks left, make them count.

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    2012 is going to be more more more, Zimbabwe is apparently holding a presidential election next year 8D

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    And than another Iranian preisdential election in 2013

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    So, projected chopping block for 2012:

    - Putin
    - Mugabe
    - Lukashenko
    - Chavez
    Come and listen to my story, if you will I'm gonna tell. About a gang of fellers from down at Nashville.

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    In other news, the Tunisians have drafted up a new provisional constitution.
    I'm a bit concerned about the rule stating that presidents have to be Muslim, but I've heard that Tunisians are pretty uniformly Muslim though.

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    I like what's happening in Russia right now. 2011 isn't over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    So, projected chopping block for 2012:

    - Putin
    - Mugabe
    - Lukashenko
    - Chavez
    I notice a severe lack of Teodoro Obiang on that list.

    I mean this is the guy who said in an interview

    "What right does the opposition have to criticize the actions of a government?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiwara_no_Ice View Post
    I like what's happening in Russia right now. 2011 isn't over yet.
    To be honest, unless more and more people start massing on the streets, I can't see anything radical happening in Russia quite yet. Putin and Medvedev could just try to promise closer collaboration with the other parties and somehow weasel their way out of this. The high elite is not ready for big changes yet, and the people are not demanding a lot right now. Putin's people even announced they wouldn't do anything about the election results, and we don't see things getting out of control. People on the streets is a good sign - ten years ago that would not have been possible - but is it enough? Not necessarily.

    The situation may very well change in the near future, though. This farce has made the upcoming presidential elections much more interesting to follow, if nothing else. Russian's are starting to become more and more aware of the poor shape their nation is in. That will come to trigger something in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryish View Post
    ten years ago that would not have been possible
    I was of the impression that even 1 year ago it wouldn't have been possible, that there is a real change in the people's behaviour and that from here on out Putin only has 2 choices: repression or make compromises with the people.
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    Putin can always do the tried-and-true Russian method of kill all who oppose.
    Come and listen to my story, if you will I'm gonna tell. About a gang of fellers from down at Nashville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    Putin can always do the tried-and-true Russian method of kill all who oppose.
    But then who would be left to actually vote?
    Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymelion View Post
    But then who would be left to actually vote?
    Putin's old KGB buddies of course.
    Come and listen to my story, if you will I'm gonna tell. About a gang of fellers from down at Nashville.

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    The people from Kamchatka can always hope they will be forgotten. Their little peninsula is so remote that it's almost mind-boggling that they actually are still a part of Russia.
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    People in the Russian far east all secretly wish Japan would annex them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    People in the Russian far east all secretly wish Japan would annex them.
    Well there's the Kuriles :P

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