Electronic Entertainment Expo 2012

[black-leg jex]

Rayman Legends is Wii U exclusive.

i don't think it's saying they will be on pc just that the pc can run it with ease. i didn't really read it properly though

[tatermoog]

Obligatory Cracked Article:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-know-nintendo-has-lost-its-mind/

Points 5 and 4 are OK, but overdone. Points 3 and 2 are probably inaccurate (people will get used to it or games will stop using the Game Pad in such a gimmicky way). But damned if he didn't nail Point 1.

[KzTxL7]

I highly doubt Nintendo will be stupid enough to not let you turn off 4 and 5 and I believe he really is overstating how bad it is. 3 seems bad (I mean what he wrote, not the topic he's writing about). But 2 seems all kinds of fucking stupid.

Number 1 I can understand and I'd probably be more agreeable if the entire thing didn't seem like it was written by an angry raging hardcore Nintendo hater

[Noqanky]

Obligatory Cracked Article:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-know-nintendo-has-lost-its-mind/

Points 5 and 4 are OK, but overdone. Points 3 and 2 are probably inaccurate (people will get used to it or games will stop using the Game Pad in such a gimmicky way). But damned if he didn't nail Point 1.

Actually, I found that article to be a bit over-the-edge. John Cheese writes great articles regarding life and growing up and stuff like that, but his stuff on videogames is extremely slanted and overall just lacking in both humor and knowledge. Crap, he's used that video of Han Solo dancing in every article he's written in the past month or so, in one of them he actually talked about it for every single point in the article. In my book, I consider that pretty lazy writing.

Point 5 I'm siding with Nintendo. They're providing a media service and are entitled, in my opinion, to control it to verify that every gamer is in a safe environment. If people like Cheese really want to make dick jokes with friends I'm sure they're able to do it on other things if they so feel inclined, especially since he's making the point that he just wants to play single player games. Also, the empathy comment is correct, in my opinion. How many times do people go on forums or websites to discuss their progress with a game or opinions on a level? I'm sure if I had Miiverse on my 3DS right now I'd probably go and check out what other people are saying about Kid Icarus levels, for example how come in Pandora's level it tells me I haven't found every chest when I feel I have. And that's how a gaming community exists now.
Also, if he really fears the networking aspect of a game, it's not like he HAS to be online to play, say, Mario. The Wii at my place is not connected to the internet and when a game requires updates you just connect it briefly and then remove the feature.

Point 4 is annoying, yes, but that's the generation we live in. There's a reason Facebook and Twitter and all that crap is famous, and that's because people like it. People like bragging about stuff they did and saying their opinions however minor and irrelevant they are. Heck, it's why articles have comment sections, and it's also why we are all here writing w.e. comes to our minds. Cheese also made the stupid mistake of thinking he'd be playing Mario and get swamped with messages in the middle of the level, which is a very stupid assumption to make and one he seems to have just made to be pissed off at something. Also, he's from an older generation that's long gone. Go to a high school or a middle school and see if you don't see almost every teenager tweeting or facebooking irrelevant crap constantly through their phones.

Point 3 I found valid in the sense that I also noticed this and fear it. But it's a point that covers games I don't care much about, so meh.

Point 2 is an idiotic point, considering the DS. Basically it's the thought that because "all" gamers are used to a controller configuration, deviating from that and expecting something else will detract from the experience. Frankly, I think that ZombiU is a more realistic and intense experience precisely because of the fact you need to do this crap with the gamepad. You know, in real life you go into a bookbag to retrieve items and the world doesn't stop for you, and that's a mechanic that works fantastically for this game which is about surviving in an as-real-as-possible zombie apocalypse environment. Does it work for other games? Probably not, but it's not like they have to adopt that idea. It's just Cheese taking sh!t out of proportion again.

And point 1, I also find myself disagreeing with him. Not sure about Rayman Legends, but I doubt it is necessary to even use the gamepad in the Mario game. It's more of a thing where you find yourself unable or unwilling to play but, instead of just watching and cringing painfully when your little brother keeps failing and repeating the same level several times, you can just pick up the gamepad and assist the gameplay. It's like complaining that in mario galaxy a player finding himself with the second wiimote will have to, how does it go? "sit with his thumb up his ass while his friend play[s] the actual game with [a] Wii remote", when the presence of the star-shooter assistance is simply there to help unexperienced players and to make watching someone else play the game less of an annoying experience.
Also, I'll criticize NintendoLand for being a pathetically boring excuse of a game to present at E3, but I won't deny myself the fact that it looks fun. And the fact that Cheese considers it to be boring means crap when you know that his idea of an immersive gaming experience is MMORPGs. In other words, this is someone who, by habit, doesn't seem to play multiplayer offline.

Again, Cheese is not a bad person, and not a stupid one either most of the time. But his understanding of the gaming community and gaming in general is so piss-poor biased and narrow that I couldn't help but cringe at that article and hope that he really does stop writing about games for a while. I am glad you brought that article up so I can vent about it here and not have to make a cracked account to vent there.

[KzTxL7]

The scariest things about the comments are people trying to defend/agree with Cheese about the whole ZombiU touch screen thing.

[tatermoog]

Actually, I found that article to be a bit over-the-edge. John Cheese writes great articles regarding life and growing up and stuff like that, but his stuff on videogames is extremely slanted and overall just lacking in both humor and knowledge. Crap, he's used that video of Han Solo dancing in every article he's written in the past month or so, in one of them he actually talked about it for every single point in the article. In my book, I consider that pretty lazy writing.

I've liked Cheese since the PWoT days, but yeah, agreed on video games (I like Wong's stuff better).

I mainly posted it because these are the complaints we're going to be seeing. As I was trying to emphasize, the only point I really agree with is his top one, which is why I asked the question earlier in this thread about asynchronous gameplay.

Point Two is actually going to be an issue early in the life-cycle when developers try too hard to make the GamePad a "vital" part of the experience. It's like the first Wii games that couldn't just be regular games and implemented waggle at all times. But unlike WiiMotes, the GamePad has some serious potential for nice game mechanics.

And I'll ask the same question I haven't gotten an answer to: for games that do require you to look away from the screen while action continues on the TV, are those games restricted from using the GamePad as its own console while the TV is otherwise occupied? This seems (to me) like a pretty substantial question that hasn't been asked or answered.

[Noqanky]

And I'll ask the same question I haven't gotten an answer to: for games that do require you to look away from the screen while action continues on the TV, are those games restricted from using the GamePad as its own console while the TV is otherwise occupied? This seems (to me) like a pretty substantial question that hasn't been asked or answered.

I feel like that is going to be a feature present in some games but not in others. I don't think it should be a part of ZombiU since a huge aspect of the gameplay is using the tools as the action goes on, unless they have it so that accessing the menu would require the press of a button and would be like current games right now with a screen coming up and covering gameplay. Whether the action would remain constant in this case, though, remains to be seen.

Also, in cases of games appealing to core gamers, they're going to be the ones with the least problem in reserving tv use for playing videogames. Unless they move in with a roommate or a significant other who doesn't play games.

[Hiroy]

I love console wars.

[Sakonosolo]