The "Worst Generation / Supernova Discussion Thread

[Noqanky]

Gerneral question: Is it likely that Kid and Law will end up with ten people on their crews to mirror Luffy's, or is Blackbeard's crew the end all be all mirror to Luffy's crew?

From what I get they seem to have a couple crewmembers that are highly relevant to us. Like Killer and the fire-breathing dude for Kid, and Bepo, the Shachi and Penguin duo and Jean Bart for Law.
I do see Luffy clashing with Kid at some point, but I'm not entirely sure what to expect of him, as if I don't know if he will be an arc villain, a long-term villain, or simply a rival.

Probably the best mirrors to the straw hats are the Red Haired Pirates and the Blackbeard Pirates.

[Ares]

Gerneral question: Is it likely that Kid and Law will end up with ten people on their crews to mirror Luffy's, or is Blackbeard's crew the end all be all mirror to Luffy's crew?

I personally doubt it...Because I think that in the end both Law and Kid will be dealt in the same arc, which will be the arc just before the Raftel arc in which they will be fighting the BlackBeard Pirates.

I think that we can all agree that Kid and Law are the 2 Supernovas most shown to be direct rivals of the Strawhats, beeing also the 2 only supernovas whose main objective has been confirmed (Finding One Piece and becoming KOP). If you analyze their crews, you will see that they seem to be designed to be fought in one arc. Example of possible fighting pairings:

-Luffy vs Kid vs Law vs Luffy.

Epic captain combat.

-Zoro vs Killer.
-Sanji vs Bepo.

As always, Zoro and Sanji fighting the seconds in charge of the captains. Coincidentally, Killer is a swordman, and Bepo is a martial artist, the kind of rivals Zoro and Sanji always fight in the main arcs.

Other possible combats:

-Jimbe vs Jean Bart.
-Chopper vs Penguin.
-Usopp vs Shachi . (Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate, since he almost passed out because of Rayleigh burst).
-Franky vs Wire.
-Brook vs Heat. (Zombie vs Zombie, Swordman vs Swordman, FIre vs Ice).

With this pairing, only the girls and the 10th strawhat (Hopefully another girl too) last their rivals. Because of this, I think Monet has high chances to join Law's crew and become Robin's rival. After all, we now that Clown is not going to get arrested by Smoker (At least this arc), she probably will find it her best choice. Kid could have recruited another 2 girls, or a girl and a new guy (With this, both him and Law would have been presented with 3 important crewmembers and ended up with 5).

Even though they will be fought near the end of the series, they will have lots of encounters with the SH before that moment, like with Law now (And I am pretty confident the Yonkou Law wants to take out is Big Mom and that Luffy, Kid and Law will end up fighting her together). They both are for Luffy like Newgate for Roger. I also suppose they will suport Luffy in the final war with their allies (Both will be Yonkous or near that level by that moment).

What Do you Think about my theory?? xD

[zachri]

For some reason, I have a weird feeling that Apoo is a Shichibukai.
But he may just be independent or allied with Hawkins.

I approve so damn hard.

Other possible combats:

-Jimbe vs Jean Bart.
-Chopper vs Penguin.
-Usopp vs Shachi . (Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate, since he almost passed out because of Rayleigh burst).
-Franky vs Wire.
-Brook vs Heat. (Zombie vs Zombie, Swordman vs Swordman, FIre vs Ice).

-Usopp vs Shachi . (Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate, since he almost passed out because of Rayleigh burst).

-Usopp vs Shachi . (Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate, since he almost passed out because of Rayleigh burst).

Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate

[Ares]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ifjbndVa1qjsaia.gif

xDD well. what I tried to meant is that Shachi is weaker than Penguin, Bepo and Law, since he was the only one who had problems with Rayleigh's Haki. Of course, he is not the weakest of all the Heart Pirates, just the weakest of the MAIN Heart Pirates. Standing to Rayleigh's blast, even barely, is quite impresive, so I expect him to be quite strong. just a little less than the other 3 (And Jean Beart). Out of curiosity, how would you order the heart pirates in strength, and why?


As for Usopp being the weakest Strawhat Pirate, in termes of global strength and power, Oda himself confirmed it. That however doesnt change the fact that Usopp is freaking awesome, buy we will never see him lifting a building with one hand.

Of course, I could totally be wrong with the Usopp vs SHachi pairing (Excluding Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's match, the rest of the fights could go either way).

[Superbear 22]

I personally doubt it...Because I think that in the end both Law and Kid will be dealt in the same arc, which will be the arc just before the Raftel arc in which they will be fighting the BlackBeard Pirates.

I think that we can all agree that Kid and Law are the 2 Supernovas most shown to be direct rivals of the Strawhats, beeing also the 2 only supernovas whose main objective has been confirmed (Finding One Piece and becoming KOP). If you analyze their crews, you will see that they seem to be designed to be fought in one arc. Example of possible fighting pairings:

-Luffy vs Kid vs Law vs Luffy.

Epic captain combat.

-Zoro vs Killer.
-Sanji vs Bepo.

As always, Zoro and Sanji fighting the seconds in charge of the captains. Coincidentally, Killer is a swordman, and Bepo is a martial artist, the kind of rivals Zoro and Sanji always fight in the main arcs.

Other possible combats:

-Jimbe vs Jean Bart.
-Chopper vs Penguin.
-Usopp vs Shachi . (Weakest male SH vs weakest Heart Pirate, since he almost passed out because of Rayleigh burst).
-Franky vs Wire.
-Brook vs Heat. (Zombie vs Zombie, Swordman vs Swordman, FIre vs Ice).

With this pairing, only the girls and the 10th strawhat (Hopefully another girl too) last their rivals. Because of this, I think Monet has high chances to join Law's crew and become Robin's rival. After all, we now that Clown is not going to get arrested by Smoker (At least this arc), she probably will find it her best choice. Kid could have recruited another 2 girls, or a girl and a new guy (With this, both him and Law would have been presented with 3 important crewmembers and ended up with 5).

Even though they will be fought near the end of the series, they will have lots of encounters with the SH before that moment, like with Law now (And I am pretty confident the Yonkou Law wants to take out is Big Mom and that Luffy, Kid and Law will end up fighting her together). They both are for Luffy like Newgate for Roger. I also suppose they will suport Luffy in the final war with their allies (Both will be Yonkous or near that level by that moment).

What Do you Think about my theory?? xD

Not a member, Chopper could fight him, you can't just shove Jinbe into things.

[Beowulf89]

Jimbe says he wants to join the crew eventually. Luffy wants Jimbe in his crew. The poster you quoted was talking about a hypothetical, near-end scenario.

Jimbe not joining the Strawhats eventually is about as likely as Luffy not fighting Blackbeard.

Also, the two parallel each other, so it's not that far fetched a match-up.

[Superbear 22]

Jimbe says he wants to join the crew eventually. Luffy wants Jimbe in his crew. The poster you quoted was talking about a hypothetical, near-end scenario.

Jimbe not joining the Strawhats eventually is about as likely as Luffy not fighting Blackbeard.

Also, the two parallel each other, so it's not that far fetched a match-up.

These two things do not compare. Blackbeard vs Luffy has been set up sense Jaya and there very few factors that will interrupt them from fighting.

Jinbe is indebted to Big Mom, this is fixable, Jinbe has a crew, not so fixable. Jinbe might not live after that bomb goes off in Big Mom's face, Jinbe has no room what so ever to get better at his craft, Jinbe has very little room to grow as a character. As far as we know there's no one in the world that can best Jinbe in his craft.

And if he joins and receives the title of helmsman or first mate, I would stop reading this series because neither of those jobs would make sense.

He sailed a ship one time on the way to Maniford, that ended up on a iceberg, while the members of the Strawhat crew have sailed their ships up giant geyser, up a mountain, pass a moving train,etc. And Zoro has given more and done more for Luffy than Jinbe ever could.

[TheCrystalShip]

And if he joins and receives the title of helmsman or first mate, I would stop reading this series because neither of those jobs would make sense.

Well, I think you're safe, because nobody can replace Zoro as the first mate.
When it comes to being the helmsman... Who exactly has been the helmsman up until now?
Nobody, and they've gotten along fine. So I don't really see why a helmsman is necessary.

[Superbear 22]

Well, I think you're safe, because nobody can replace Zoro as the first mate.
When it comes to being the helmsman... Who exactly has been the helmsman up until now?
Nobody, and they've gotten along fine. So I don't really see why a helmsman is necessary.

I really don't either but that a role people have associated Jinbe eve though he has no really could sailing feats.Zoro isn't officially dubbed first mate but it would be a cheap nonsensical blow if Jinbe all of sudden joined and took that position.

Also general question: Has Jinbe ever stepped on to the Thousand Sunny?

[Drake]

I really don't either but that a role people have associated Jinbe eve though he has no really could sailing feats.Zoro isn't officially dubbed first mate but it would be a cheap nonsensical blow if Jinbe all of sudden joined and took that position.

Also general question: Has Jinbe ever stepped on to the Thousand Sunny?

Whose said that Jinbei would become the first mate if he joined?

[akagami7]

Also general question: Has Jinbe ever stepped on to the Thousand Sunny?

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...59/c649/6.html

[Superbear 22]

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...59/c649/6.html

Alright, thank you. I didn't think he had.

@Drake

No one, and I hope no one (other than me techniquely since I brought it up) ever will.

[Noqanky]

Superbear, I know it is always exciting for you to discuss why Jinbe shouldn't/can't join, but this really isn't the thread for that. Ares had an epic theory about how he thinks fights will go between supernovas, the topic of this thread, and if he decides to shove Jinbe in it and you disagree, then simply say so without assuming that you are right in Jinbe not joining and almost everyone else is wrong. Of all the things he said, actually, Jinbe being in the Straw Hats is one of the most reliable and likely to occur.

I personally would love it if they had skirmishes between the crews, but only on a minor scale. And not necessarily within islands ... I hope that now that we are in the New World and have so many crews vying for influence, that we start having battle royales between ships. That would be quite amazing especially considering these crews have captains and crewmembers capable of totalling a ship on their own.

[The Laughing Man]

Heck...Jinbe already has a place that can serve as his quarters very well on the Thousand Sunny; the fish tank. lolwatumad?

[Drazgoon]

Heck...Jinbe already has a place that can serve as his quarters very well on the Thousand Sunny; the fish tank. lolwatumad?

talk supper into jumping into the tank with him.

[Czechmate]

Jinbe is indebted to Big Mom, this is fixable, Jinbe has a crew, not so fixable. Jinbe might not live after that bomb goes off in Big Mom's face, Jinbe has no room what so ever to get better at his craft, Jinbe has very little room to grow as a character. As far as we know there's no one in the world that can best Jinbe in his craft.

And if he joins and receives the title of helmsman or first mate, I would stop reading this series because neither of those jobs would make sense.

He sailed a ship one time on the way to Maniford, that ended up on a iceberg, while the members of the Strawhat crew have sailed their ships up giant geyser, up a mountain, pass a moving train,etc. And Zoro has given more and done more for Luffy than Jinbe ever could.

Is the possibility of somebody joining the crew because they want to join the crew simply too appalling for you to even consider?

[The Laughing Man]

Is the possibility of somebody joining the crew because they want to join the crew simply too appalling for you to even consider?

He mad bro. Don't bother him. Jinbe is a bit...bland, but, I see him and his crew becoming a Strawhat ally at the very least.

[Superbear 22]

Is the possibility of somebody joining the crew because they want to join the crew simply too appalling for you to even consider?

Just saying what has happened. And how people try to put square pegs into round holes. Him being a helmsmen doesn't work, Nami and Robin had "business" after they joined and the whole crew helped them with that, so why is Jinbe different? No one insisted on helping Jinbe despite him gaining the trust of the whole crew.

@Laughing Man,

Mad at what? I agree with you though, he and his crew will become allies of the Strawhats.

However two (Luffy doesn't count as a member) people will join in future because Luffy's crew is going to mirror Blackbeard's in one way or another.

[Drazgoon]

so a backwards 11 members is... 11 members?!?! we may be onto something.

I can't see how jimbei won't atleast be allied closely to the strawhats in some way if he doesn't join. I think he will, in due time. We don't know how much of the NW he's seen, Jimbei is certainly strong but on those seas i'm sure he has limited access even with a yonkou's name on his back (Kidd didn't give a flying F). I've been wondering aswell, the grandline (paradise section) was fairly progressive in strength levels (or atleast seemed so), i'm anxious to see if the NW is different, as a matter of fact raftel may not even be at the end of the NW.

i digress sometimes.

[TheLaw]

So are we really going to keep discussing about Jinbei's joining in a Supernova thread? Come on guys, focus.