The "Worst Generation / Supernova Discussion Thread

[CaptainKid]

I`ve heard this before, but to me it just looks like a crap rumor. They got Law`s 440,000,000 bounty wrong anyway.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User_...fter_time_skip

I hope so, Drake having a higher bounty than Ace means he did SERIOUS shit. Which I'm sure would have been mentioned along with the Aokiji/Akainu fight and Blackbeard's rise to Yonkou. I really want to see the rest of the SH's bounties rise after the TS as they were though dead/disbanded but now that they are back I think everyone's bounty should double with Sanji's maybe a little more to jump Robin's bounty. And Chopper since Sentoumaru saw his true power going up to like 80,000 or higher.

[fullscalenuclearwar]

Doflamingo sits back and watches everything, and practically everyone loves him. I guess he's just cooler than Kidd; more lovable and all that.

Not me, Chameleone's design is way cooler than Dofla. If I were to pick one with classy coat I'd go for Chameleone. Dofla's behind everything, alright, master manipulator, alright, directs some grand schemes, alright, put Mr.A in the role he'll be just as badass.

I just can't find anything interesting about Dofla, not his hair, not his coat, not his tongue, nothing.

[The Laughing Man]

Not me, Chameleone's design is way cooler than Dofla. If I were to pick one with classy coat I'd go for Chameleone. Dofla's behind everything, alright, master manipulator, alright, directs some grand schemes, alright, put Mr.A in the role he'll be just as badass.

I just can't find anything interesting about Dofla, not his hair, not his coat, not his tongue, nothing.

Judging if a character is interesting or not just by design is pretty shallow.

From what I gather, Chameleone is an incredibly boring character, excluding his Devil Fruit power and clothing. I'd take a character, with, a less flamboyant fashion sense, a...weird personality about them and pretty interesting (and mysterious) motives (Doflamingo) over someone very flamboyant with the personality and backstory of a rock (Chameleon); and I like Chameleone. Heck...it shows you which character Oda believes is more interesting, with Chameleon seemingly being isolated to an on-stage, non-canon, live action show--with, more than likely, no hope in ever showing up in the manga/anime itself.

[Noqanky]

I hope so, Drake having a higher bounty than Ace means he did SERIOUS shit. Which I'm sure would have been mentioned along with the Aokiji/Akainu fight and Blackbeard's rise to Yonkou. I really want to see the rest of the SH's bounties rise after the TS as they were though dead/disbanded but now that they are back I think everyone's bounty should double with Sanji's maybe a little more to jump Robin's bounty. And Chopper since Sentoumaru saw his true power going up to like 80,000 or higher.

Makes one wonder if there will still be a bounty threshold for worst-generation pirates ... You know, to keep Luffy and Zoro in the group and exclude any other straw hat.

[fullscalenuclearwar]

Judging if a character is interesting or not just by design is pretty shallow.

From what I gather, Chameleone is an incredibly boring character, excluding his Devil Fruit power and clothing. I'd take a character, with, a less flamboyant fashion sense, a...weird personality about them and pretty interesting (and mysterious) motives (Doflamingo) over someone very flamboyant with the personality and backstory of a rock (Chameleon); and I like Chameleone. Heck...it shows you which character Oda believes is more interesting, with Chameleon seemingly being isolated to an on-stage, non-canon, live action show--with, more than likely, no hope in ever showing up in the manga/anime itself.

Well, judging by design is one thing. That I admit I was biased 'cause I didn't like his.

But other than those manipulation behind the scene Dofla hasn't really done anything very impressive in my eyes, best I could think of was cutting Oars' leg and that was uh, okay, Mihawk sliced iceberg into half, Jozu lifted one, & some other crazy fruits, I just can't see anything impressive from him, aside from the obvious puppeteer theme that was going on for years.

I mean, let's put Gin into this puppeteer position he'd be just as popular given we have no indication that he even possesses a DF power, I feel Dofla's fruit is broken but he didn't used it efficiently, and the fact that he hasn't done anything impressive enough on panel make me less of a fan. You could count me biased cause I never really liked him thus the one-sided opinions.

Now back to the topic, I'm kinda interested with Bege's castle fruit and it's potential power, not sure if this has been discussed before, but since his body is made of castle and everything stores within his range of power shrink into tiny sizes, is normal gun fire/sword attacks shrink in size also when they go near his body? Also when the bullets goes in and hit him, do they hit walls instead of flesh?

Bege' fruit is very cool, I certainly hope he doesn't fail in NW yet so we can see more of him, there's slight changes from his appearance in Oda's SN post-timeskip poster so I wouldn't be surprised if Bege still hangs around somewhere in NW.

[Jabra]

Makes one wonder if there will still be a bounty threshold for worst-generation pirates ... You know, to keep Luffy and Zoro in the group and exclude any other straw hat.

I think that only makes sense. It is like comparing Zoro's bounty with Sanji's. Zoro had a reputation as pirate hunter prior to joining the crew, that's why he will always be ahead of Sanji in terms of bounty - despite them being relatively close in strength, if not equals.

And when the others surpass the 100 million belly (inevitable for Sanji, Robin and Franky) I doubt they will be declared as new supernovas.

[Noqanky]

I think that only makes sense. It is like comparing Zoro's bounty with Sanji's. Zoro had a reputation as pirate hunter prior to joining the crew, that's why he will always be ahead of Sanji in terms of bounty - despite them being relatively close in strength, if not equals.

And when the others surpass the 100 million belly (inevitable for Sanji, Robin and Franky) I doubt they will be declared as new supernovas.

Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.

[Densuke]

Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.

I kind of expect that as well, though it may work out better for him that way in terms of how the Marines/World Government view him as a threat. Meaning they'll underestimate him when they encounter him next, and depending on the situation, if it's a major plot point (as in dealing with a yonkou, or directly involving the World Government/Marines) his bounty may sky rocket afterwards because of them (unintentionally) underestimating him..

[TheCrystalShip]

I kind of expect that as well, though it may work out better for him that way in terms of how the Marines/World Government view him as a threat. Meaning they'll underestimate him when they encounter him next, and depending on the situation, if it's a major plot point (as in dealing with a yonkou, or directly involving the World Government/Marines) his bounty may sky rocket afterwards because of them (unintentionally) underestimating him..

The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.

[Densuke]

The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.

His bounty will go up drastically eventually, that doesn't mean there won't be some other kind of gag to go along with it though..

Even with this arc, his picture could be taken with Nami still in his body looking very feminine and twirling the clima-tact..

Spoiler:

The birth of "Okama Sanji"

[Jabra]

The Sanji gag will never end. The lens-cap will be on, or they'll have the wrong guy, or something.

I have the same feeling. I can even imagine a pic from his first encounter with the Okamas, you know which one I'm talking about...

The reactions at the Baratie would be priceless.

[CaptainKid]

Oh, of course not. I guess that's part of the idea of creating the "Worst Generation" term, as these pirates are no longer supernovae.
So sad for Sanji though, but I actually expect Nami to get his bounty boost in this arc due to, well, him being in her body.

Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i

[Medical Orbit]

Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i

"All that gathered at the Sabaody Archipelago two years ago. The 11 rookies over 100 million, and Blackbeard on top of that...you're known in the world as 'The Worst Generation!'" -Brownbeard

[Drazgoon]

Is the Worst Generation the term for elite SuperNovas? I thought the Worst Generation is just those who caused the most trouble or noise after the War of the Best? As for new SuperNovas the SuperNovas were named because they were the most well known pirates in the first half. Caribou was over 200m but he's not a SuperNova. I think the SuperNovas are still referred to as such but I think Worst Generation i

Caribou was a supernovae of his generation, there were fewer, but it was mentioned that in the Worst generation there was surprisingly a lot of them

[Beowulf89]

Supernova isn't an in-universe term. It was the title of the chapter that introduced the 'Super Rookies,'* pirates who, on their first voyage, acquired bounties higher than 100 million before reaching the Red Line. Worst Generation is the closest the group has to a proper name now, but it also includes Blackbeard. One of the notable things about the Supernova, is that they all arrived on Saobody within about a week of one another, and all eleven were on the same island for the better part of a day.

There were a number of new Super Rookies when we revisited Saobody. Caribou, and Coribou were noted, but every indication is that the Worst Generation group were special in a way that Super Rookies weren't, and won't be again for some time.

One last thing: It's been stated that all the Supernova are in the New World, causing havoc, and that the new age of piracy will be determined by their actions. I'm of the opinion that none of them are toadying to a Yonkou. So please don't look down on one of them just because they haven't shown off yet, or they aren't an attractive teenager with striking fashion and a bad-boy attitude.**

*This MIGHT be in-universe term.
**I'm a Bege, Hawkins, Drake and Urouge fan.

[TheCrystalShip]

Wait, so... The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?

[Densuke]

Wait, so... The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?

Probably because they weren't planned to be introduced as Supernovae, Oda was going to have them appear in the New World after all..So having them all arrive on Sabaody at the same time, and the thing about them all taking different routes to get there simultaneously probably wasn't planned either.

It would have been pretty cool to have that happen though, the hype and anticipation of rival/rookie crews making their way through the Grand Line at the same time would have been awesome.

[CaptainKid]

Wait, so... The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?

Apparently Robin knew of some of them but she likes to keep stuff to herself. Because didn't she point out Law and Kid at the auction house? Or am I imagining things

[Mugiwara-San]

Oda has planned to introduce the Supernovas into the new world.So this may mean that there are some "changes" during their introduction.He had probably to add lower bounties to their heads so they would be compareable to Luffy and Zoro.My guess is that a pirate of Luffy's generation would be introduced in "PH" or whatever island oda had planned at that time and my guess is that first Urouge or Bege would be introduced.
But , seeing that after introducing them earlier than planned he perfectly used one of the coolest supernovas "LAW" to make this first new world arc super hype.BUT of course there is the possibility that he just swap arcs , what do i mean here?I guess he wanted law to have a past with Doflamingo from the very start so a kind of this arc WOULD APPEAR anyway , but seeing how the popularity would rise he used this hand right away.


My point is , all the supernovas will be top tier in the new world and they will probably all make huge names for themselves.Since oda had them in mind from the very start as new world pirates.Which means thoose 2 years is actually the rise of their "earlier-than-planned introduced to new world captains".

[infinite]

Wait, so... The Straw Hats defeated two Shichibukai and destroyed Enies Lobby before getting to Sabaody.
How the hell did we not hear about the exploits of eight comparable crews? One of which was more wanted than Luffy's?

Luffy's crew were the only ones fighting governments and schibukais, I assume the other crews just got more notorious for defeating other strong crews along the way for the most part.
Obviously Kidd, law and drake probably have a backstory about their bounties.